Change the fucking rules

[I_UndergroundPanther]

Biden was going to pass bills
Without republican support.

Why not cut out the dinos too and vote to save our democracy without them..

These times are not politics as usual.

Change the rules to save democracy and before you leave change them back.

Fuck the repugs and dinos. We need to save democracy and that's more important than rules republicans or dinos.

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. K and R

[SheltieLover]

2. K&R!

[Blue Owl]

3. America is not the Republican's rape victim

We're a DEMOCRACY, Goddamnit!

[StarfishSaver]

4. How do you propose they "change the f#cking rules" without support the Republicans and DINOs?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

5. Well how do you suppose we save democracy?

Republicans break rules,and they are holding this country hostage.

The dinos are in the way and don't give a shit about democracy apparently.

[StarfishSaver]

8. You didn't answer my question.

You are demanding that they change the rules. You should have some idea how that can be done. What is it?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

14. As long as it's not politics as usual

We have put up with the minorities dominating like they were the majority. Apparently majority rule means nothing.

Democrats are the majority.

Not Manchin,Senima or dinos or republicans.

[Generic Brad]

15. A simple majority is needed to change the rules

How do you propose that be done without a simple majority of votes?

[StarfishSaver]

16. If you're going to demand Democrats "change the f#cking rules,"

it would be helpful if you understood how "the f#cking rules" actually work.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

24. I don't know given the flawed parts in

the constitution that didn't anticipate minority rule.

[StarfishSaver]

25. Funny that you think the Constitution didn't anticipate.minority rule (although actually it did)

and yet you are demanding that a minority of the Senate "change the f#cking rules" so that a minority can have its way over the majority in the future.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

26. Well is there a constitutional remedy

For the situation the Dems find themselves in?

And why aren't they using it to preserve democracy?

They know way more than I do regarding these things.

[brooklynite]

6. Pass Bills with a minority of votes?

Why not just eliminate the Congress and let Biden rule by decree?

[StarfishSaver]

9. Save democracy by engaging in anti-democratic tactics

Yeah, that makes sense ...

[I_UndergroundPanther]

11. Well ,gonna give up democracy

And let republican autocracy destroy this country?

They have rigged the vote,they made it so that if they don't like the vote result they can toss it out and give it to autocrats.

Maybe we should turn the tables on these motherfuckers and use thier game against them to save democracy from them.

[brooklynite]

23. Name a process by which a minority of the House or Senate can pass legislation.

The explain why a minority of Republicans couldn't use the same process to name McConnel as Senate Leader today.

[Takket]

7. um, we asked to change the rules and Manchin and Sinema said no. that ship has sailed.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

13. Has it sailed

Or has it not had a chance because of the dinos.

[regnaD kciN]

10. You can't "change the rules" to pass bills with only 49 senators...

...which is what we'd have to do.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

12. Why?

[StarfishSaver]

17. You can't possibly be serious.

[global1]

27. I Ask - What Would The Repugs Do If The Shoe Were On The Other Foot?.....

Well - they would make their own rules up and turn their noses up to anyone that said that they couldn't do that.

So that's what we Dems need to do. Make up our own rules and ignore their complaints.

Get Biden to create some Executive Orders that would allow the Dems to do what they intend to do and just do it.

What the Dems want to do will benefit all of the American People. Just do it. and when the next elections come and the American People vote more Dems in - make those EO's from Biden permanent.

You know that's what Moscow Mitch would do. It's time we give the Repugs a taste of their own medicine.

[StarfishSaver]

28. I don't care what the Republicans would do

We're not them and we shouldn't model our behavior on them.

[global1]

30. OK - When They Kill Democracy And We Have To Answer To Their Dictator....

I'll remember that you said we shouldn't model our behavior on them.

They are counting on us doing that - so they are walking all over us in the process.

Look at us - we're just bending over to them and letting them have their way.

[StarfishSaver]

31. Lol

You think we should stop them from killing democracy by killing democracy?

Fortunately, that's not the approach of those as actually calling the shots ...

[global1]

32. Oh - I Know....

When they go low - we're supposed to go high.

[StarfishSaver]

33. No. When they go illegal, we go legal

Because we're not criminals.

And we can't save democracy by destroying it.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

18. I don't want to live

Under a violent greedy,cruel autocratic right wing regime.

I don't want to die.

After all we are all aware what these pigs will do to minorities,black and brown people,transgendered people,gblt people,poor people,disabled people, women,non-christians , democratic people,immigrants,
And any person the autocracy of trump decides to abuse.

Why do we sit there
playing by rules nobody else does because of democrats in name only and let this country go fascist.

I don't want to see people rounded up and killed because trump does not like them.
I don't want people to suffer.

And you as well as I know it will be terrifying if the people who did the insurection are empowered to clean up the riff raff.

We are literally in danger.

Sometimes changing the rules is the right thing to do,than do nothing and let evil prevail.

Sometimes it requires thinking outside the box when so much is at stake.

Maybe if Manchin and others like them are humiliated enough in public for obstructionist views they have it might make them get thier shit together and vote with Biden.

But what if they don't,or don't care.

If that tactic twords the dinos fails I am terrified of the future.
And I cannot afford and have no way to escape.

I will probably die when the social safety net is destroyed by trump and his fascist freinds when I cannot get meds to control my diabeties or my depression and ptsd.

If fascism is permitted to overtake this country and it happens I will kill myself rather than suffer a terrible death of slow diabeties taking away my faculties 1 by 1.

[Takket]

20. please make an appointment with your psychiatrist and therapist

suicidal idealization is not to be taken lightly and your tone here is very dark.

I say this as someone with a loved one with a lot of the same medical issues you have. If you are even thinking about taking your life you need professional help. Please call first thing tomorrow.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

22. I am just being realistic

About what would happen to me in a fascist right wing autocracy.

You as well as I know what kinds of people autocracies destroy.

I'm not suicidal.

But if trump is made president again and the country goes fascist I will have a target on my head.

It will only be a matter of time until SSI,Hud and other programs that help me live are destroyed. And you know republicans are itching to destroy these programs.

I said I would kill myself because dying from uncontrolled diabeties is a horrid way to die.

[MineralMan]

19. There is a strong irony in what you suggest.

Ignoring the rules is exactly what the Republicans did. We're trying to put the rules back in place. You can help with that, or you can throw the rules out. No rules means tyranny.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

21. I know it's ironic

I just hope Manchin and the dinos like them can change,see that democracy will be destroyed and vote with Biden.

I don't know if the dinos can be persuaded. This is what scares me. That and the voter negation republicans are making into law.

[Ms. Toad]

29. What you are suggesting is not democracy.

It is a fraction of one party imposing its will on the rest of the party and on the other party.