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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy local station coupled Drumpf with BIDEN as "presidents" - my email complaint & their answer
It's owned by Nexstar Media Group, previously owned by Sinclair. In the answer, where the copy is said to come from D.C., they use "former" for Drumpf, but I definitely did not hear it used either by the local intro or the remote reporter. Plus the block quoted blurb in the answer is a tiny part of the presented segment, which had a couple of video clips of Drumpf. And the answer with the "blessed day" is the F***You meme.
****WHAT I SAID:
The local news reader Sunday night read a story saying "TWO presidents spoke... " and started with TRUMP and longer, then moved to President BIDEN briefly and said that he "ALSO talked about politics." I don't know whether the copy is written locally or read from sources somewhere else, but your airwaves passed wrong information on more than one count:
1) We only have *ONE* president, and TRUMP is not it.
2) TRUMP did not talk about "politics" but rather spouted his usual deranged, anti-democracy *LIES*.
I've only viewed your products a couple of times over MANY years, and it was bad enough when the ATTKKISON right winger was featured with the Sinclair outfit. I thought your station wasn't affiliated with them anymore. If you are a Right Wing outlet, you should say so as full disclosure.
*******WHAT THEY ANSWERED (almost immediately) :
Hello, .
Yes, we have one sitting president. The story youre referring to said this (copied and pasted directly from the script from our Washington bureau):
TWO PRESIDENTS ADDRESSED STATE PARTY CONVENTIONS LAST NIGHT. FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP PROMISED NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICANS 2022 WILL HAND THE U.S. HOUSE BACK TO THE GOP. IN A VIRTUAL ADDRESS PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN ASSURED WISCONSIN DEMOCRATS HE WOULD PROTECT THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE. WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT JESSI TURNURE REPORTS.
The story talked about how Trump is still saying that he won the election and how hes focusing on midterms. Considering he hasnt made any appearances since leaving office, this is news as it would be with any president. I understand your issue with the wording, but technically everything is accurate. All former presidents are still addressed as president. Thank you for watching and have a blessed day.
******MY FINAL ANSWER:
I notice you had to qualify everything you said: "one SITTING president," "TECHNICALLY accurate" and "FORMER presidents"
To correct you on all counts: One SITTING president means one president, period. TECHNICAL accuracy admits it's not ACCURATE, period. And your saying FORMER makes my point. Your declaring some made up "rule" about former presidents always being called "President" is not a rule, just some media people currying favor with their former office holder guests. If you don't want to be real with your answers, don't bother at all, and do NOT answer this.
*******END.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,087 posts)Do you get offended when people say President Obama?
UTUSN
(70,748 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Kudos for calling them out.
They know exactly their intent to what they allow written.
Bravo.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Not sure where the OP outrage comes from. Former federal elected officials are referred to by their titles after leaving office.
Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #14)
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SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Not a rule of law, but there are rules of grammar, rules of civility, rules of common practice, etc.
Now, your turn to tell us again that you wont answer again
FBaggins
(26,773 posts)Former presidents are properly referred to a "President Obama", "President Clinton", etc.
It isn't incorrect to include "former" for all but the sitting president, but it certainly isn't required. Nor is it uncommon for former VPs, Senators, Governors, (etc.) to continue to be addressed that way.
UTUSN
(70,748 posts)FBaggins
(26,773 posts)Just don't insist that the rest of us play along and compliment you on your outrage.
UTUSN
(70,748 posts)FBaggins
(26,773 posts)musette_sf
(10,206 posts)Not even saying the Gilead part quietly any more, I see.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Is there no one at the station who can write? No one who can state that Trump never talks policy, he talks about himself. To say so is not bias, it is simply true.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)When their news stories run, they always state that Trump's lies about the election have no substance. The station that is the object of your complaint has an obligation to present things in context. Referring to Trump's continuing lie about the 2020 election is not even news. It is an unpaid advertisement for Trump.
Keep fighting.
Why they are even reporting on him is beyond me. No one wants to hear what that treasonous ass has to say. Isn't it bad enough we had to hear his unstable utterings 24/7, not only for the four years he stole office but even prior to that.
I'm tired of having to still switch channels when they want to tell us about his latest b.s.
James48
(4,442 posts)To refer to former Presidents with their title.
From the AP Styleguide:
Titles
Generally, capitalize formal titles when they appear before a persons name, but lowercase titles if they are informal, appear without a persons name, follow a persons name or are set off before a name by commas. Also, lowercase adjectives that designate the status of a title. If a title is long, place it after the persons name, or set it off with commas before the persons name. Examples: President Bush; President-elect Obama; Sen. Harry Reid; Evan Bayh, a senator from Indiana; the senior senator from Indiana, Dick Lugar; former President George H.W. Bush; Paul Schneider, deputy secretary of homeland security..
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its deliberate on their part so you telling them they do it to curry favor is just saying the obvious. Thanks for slapping them around a bit!
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)And it is true that referring to Trump as President Trump in a story is a courtesy -- all officials are referred to using their elected titles. Governor, Mayor, and so on. However, particularly in his case, a qualifying "Former" seems especially appropriate considering his ongoing claim to the office.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)etc etc etc
It is not only a tradition to use these honorifics, but I don;t know of a style guide that doesn't say to do this. "Former" may be used if desired, but it is SOP to only use the title.