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UTUSN

(70,748 posts)
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:06 PM Jun 2021

My local station coupled Drumpf with BIDEN as "presidents" - my email complaint & their answer

It's owned by Nexstar Media Group, previously owned by Sinclair. In the answer, where the copy is said to come from D.C., they use "former" for Drumpf, but I definitely did not hear it used either by the local intro or the remote reporter. Plus the block quoted blurb in the answer is a tiny part of the presented segment, which had a couple of video clips of Drumpf. And the answer with the "blessed day" is the F***You meme.

****WHAT I SAID:
The local news reader Sunday night read a story saying "TWO presidents spoke... " and started with TRUMP and longer, then moved to President BIDEN briefly and said that he "ALSO talked about politics." I don't know whether the copy is written locally or read from sources somewhere else, but your airwaves passed wrong information on more than one count:

1) We only have *ONE* president, and TRUMP is not it.
2) TRUMP did not talk about "politics" but rather spouted his usual deranged, anti-democracy *LIES*.

I've only viewed your products a couple of times over MANY years, and it was bad enough when the ATTKKISON right winger was featured with the Sinclair outfit. I thought your station wasn't affiliated with them anymore. If you are a Right Wing outlet, you should say so as full disclosure.


*******WHAT THEY ANSWERED (almost immediately) :
Hello, .
Yes, we have one sitting president. The story you’re referring to said this (copied and pasted directly from the script from our Washington bureau):

TWO PRESIDENTS ADDRESSED STATE PARTY CONVENTIONS LAST NIGHT. FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP PROMISED NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICANS 2022 WILL HAND THE U.S. HOUSE BACK TO THE GOP. IN A VIRTUAL ADDRESS PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN ASSURED WISCONSIN DEMOCRATS HE WOULD PROTECT THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE. WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT JESSI TURNURE REPORTS.

The story talked about how Trump is still saying that he won the election and how he’s focusing on midterms. Considering he hasn’t made any appearances since leaving office, this is news as it would be with any president. I understand your issue with the wording, but technically everything is accurate. All former presidents are still addressed as “president.” Thank you for watching and have a blessed day.


******MY FINAL ANSWER:
I notice you had to qualify everything you said: "one SITTING president," "TECHNICALLY accurate" and "FORMER presidents"

To correct you on all counts: One SITTING president means one president, period. TECHNICAL accuracy admits it's not ACCURATE, period. And your saying FORMER makes my point. Your declaring some made up "rule" about former presidents always being called "President" is not a rule, just some media people currying favor with their former office holder guests. If you don't want to be real with your answers, don't bother at all, and do NOT answer this.

*******END.







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My local station coupled Drumpf with BIDEN as "presidents" - my email complaint & their answer (Original Post) UTUSN Jun 2021 OP
Former presidents are still called "President" AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2021 #1
Not going to repeat what I said. UTUSN Jun 2021 #2
Totally agree with all the points you made.. Budi Jun 2021 #11
Thanks. UTUSN Jun 2021 #15
You're right, AZSkiffy SCantiGOP Jun 2021 #14
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #16
It actually is a "rule" SCantiGOP Jun 2021 #17
You're making too big a deal out of it FBaggins Jun 2021 #3
See my post #2. And I will make as big deal about things as anybody else here does. UTUSN Jun 2021 #4
Sure. You're entirely welcome to make yourself look foolish FBaggins Jun 2021 #6
Have a blessed day. UTUSN Jun 2021 #9
President Obama wishes you well FBaggins Jun 2021 #12
"have a blessed day"??? musette_sf Jun 2021 #5
Hah! UTUSN Jun 2021 #8
And they are passing the blame. guillaumeb Jun 2021 #7
Thanks. UTUSN Jun 2021 #10
I subscribe to the Chicago Tribune, a paper with a far right Editorial Board. guillaumeb Jun 2021 #13
+1 llmart Jun 2021 #18
It's part of the Associated Press Style Guide James48 Jun 2021 #19
Yeah, they offend me too! lunatica Jun 2021 #20
as an editor, I can tell you that most newspapers follow AP manual of "style" -- rules. Grasswire2 Jun 2021 #21
President Obama, Secretary Clinton, President Clinton, Justice O'Connor obamanut2012 Jun 2021 #22
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
11. Totally agree with all the points you made..
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:26 PM
Jun 2021

Kudos for calling them out.

They know exactly their intent to what they allow written.

Bravo.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
14. You're right, AZSkiffy
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:44 PM
Jun 2021

Not sure where the OP outrage comes from. Former federal elected officials are referred to by their titles after leaving office.

Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #14)

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
17. It actually is a "rule"
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 04:26 PM
Jun 2021

Not a rule of law, but there are rules of grammar, rules of civility, rules of common practice, etc.
Now, your turn to tell us again that you won’t answer again

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
3. You're making too big a deal out of it
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:16 PM
Jun 2021

Former presidents are properly referred to a "President Obama", "President Clinton", etc.

It isn't incorrect to include "former" for all but the sitting president, but it certainly isn't required. Nor is it uncommon for former VPs, Senators, Governors, (etc.) to continue to be addressed that way.

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
6. Sure. You're entirely welcome to make yourself look foolish
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:21 PM
Jun 2021

Just don't insist that the rest of us play along and compliment you on your outrage.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. And they are passing the blame.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:22 PM
Jun 2021

Is there no one at the station who can write? No one who can state that Trump never talks policy, he talks about himself. To say so is not bias, it is simply true.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. I subscribe to the Chicago Tribune, a paper with a far right Editorial Board.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 02:29 PM
Jun 2021

When their news stories run, they always state that Trump's lies about the election have no substance. The station that is the object of your complaint has an obligation to present things in context. Referring to Trump's continuing lie about the 2020 election is not even news. It is an unpaid advertisement for Trump.

Keep fighting.

llmart

(15,555 posts)
18. +1
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 04:28 PM
Jun 2021

Why they are even reporting on him is beyond me. No one wants to hear what that treasonous ass has to say. Isn't it bad enough we had to hear his unstable utterings 24/7, not only for the four years he stole office but even prior to that.

I'm tired of having to still switch channels when they want to tell us about his latest b.s.

James48

(4,442 posts)
19. It's part of the Associated Press Style Guide
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 04:40 PM
Jun 2021

To refer to former Presidents with their title.

From the AP Styleguide:

“ Titles
Generally, capitalize formal titles when they appear before a person’s name, but lowercase titles if they are informal, appear without a person’s name, follow a person’s name or are set off before a name by commas. Also, lowercase adjectives that designate the status of a title. If a title is long, place it after the person’s name, or set it off with commas before the person’s name. Examples: President Bush; President-elect Obama; Sen. Harry Reid; Evan Bayh, a senator from Indiana; the senior senator from Indiana, Dick Lugar; former President George H.W. Bush; Paul Schneider, deputy secretary of homeland security.”.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
20. Yeah, they offend me too!
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 04:43 PM
Jun 2021

It’s deliberate on their part so you telling them they do it to curry favor is just saying the obvious. Thanks for slapping them around a bit!

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
21. as an editor, I can tell you that most newspapers follow AP manual of "style" -- rules.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 04:52 PM
Jun 2021

And it is true that referring to Trump as President Trump in a story is a courtesy -- all officials are referred to using their elected titles. Governor, Mayor, and so on. However, particularly in his case, a qualifying "Former" seems especially appropriate considering his ongoing claim to the office.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
22. President Obama, Secretary Clinton, President Clinton, Justice O'Connor
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 05:01 PM
Jun 2021

etc etc etc

It is not only a tradition to use these honorifics, but I don;t know of a style guide that doesn't say to do this. "Former" may be used if desired, but it is SOP to only use the title.

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