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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking NYT -Trump's DOJ was investigating Adam Schiff
as part of the fishing investigation because Schiff was his perceived enemy/
On CNN now
Nazis ugh
Thank God people came out and voted this asshole out
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Its certainly not the kind of thing innocent administrations do.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Of course it's a crime - bet he spied on more than a few ReTHUGs as well.
This fucker needs prison
benfranklin1776
(6,448 posts)From the would be dictator on down to his lowest minion who obediently carried out his democracy destroying orders.
malaise
(269,054 posts)This is madness
benfranklin1776
(6,448 posts)But everyone who was involved in this fascistic travesty, and every other misuse of that Department. Once they testify, and appropriate evidence gathered, an independent counsel needs to be authorized to empanel a grand jury for prosecutions in this matter and every other instance in which Trump and his lackey-lapdog Barr misused the Department. Obviously the Justice Department cant investigate itself, and it is thoroughly corrupted.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)the Biden administration. As recently as a few weeks ago. The thing is, Biden can be believed if he says he knew nothing about it, because he has always said he wont tell the DoJ what to do and what not to do. He wants them to be independant.
It doesn't look good for Garland, though.
gab13by13
(21,359 posts)they came after me for simply saying our Justice Department should be doing more.
Hugin
(33,162 posts)They have a vested interest in the status quo.
benfranklin1776
(6,448 posts)To say the least. Time for a serious course correction before his tenure, that Department, and the country is irrevocably harmed. As the Boston Globe series, Rachel Maddow and the experts who are warning our democracy is seriously imperiled have all emphasized, if these practices arent forcefully repudiated both publicly as President Biden did, and by criminal prosecutions that send the message these things are absolutely intolerable in our democracy, they will return to haunt all of us with a vengeance.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)some people enough rope to hang themselves before he cleans house. He's going to have to react to this soon, though.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,556 posts)or Garland has to GO. This is blatant bullshit all around. WOW
benfranklin1776
(6,448 posts)But as head of that office he has to demonstrate, through concrete publicly visible actions, that he is going to tackle this problem head on and that the crimes and wanton lawlessness of the prior criminal gang, masquerading as an administration, will be punished. He would do well to follow RFKs example of how an AG reminded people exactly of what the office stands for and what it will do to ensure that the nations laws are enforced on the peoples behalf.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Barr and the gangsters were using NSA to go after Democrats before the election. That is NAZI.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)The traitors near-certainly used all they learned in 2017 and 2018 about Schiff and Swalwell against them in 2019 and 2020. I doubt Barr would stop spying on the Democrats investigating the Russia Thing until he had to. It was a most effective weapon for Barrs criminalization of Democracy and the institution of fascism.
spanone
(135,844 posts)you bet your ass he did
dchill
(38,503 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,623 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)despicable, unconscionable act or deed they would not do, and did.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)This is criminal - holy shit this is serious - Barr!
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)This was all politics - these fascists belong in prison
FelineOverlord
(3,580 posts)Wasnt Jeff Sessions the AG at the time? Haul him before a House Committee, too.
malaise
(269,054 posts)This was illegal
gab13by13
(21,359 posts)there are still Sessions/Barr holdovers in the Justice department who are still working. The Justice department has been fighting to get NY Times reporters data as late as last week. That doesn't mean that Garland is even involved, it could be Barr holdovers.
One thing I hope that we can all agree on is that people need to be subpoenaed and we need to get to the bottom of this.
Going after phone records of members of Congress has never been done before, only under Sessions/Barr. Who Okayed this?
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)FelineOverlord
(3,580 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)These are co-equal branches of government. EFUCKINGNOUGH - even a child's electronic stuff was part of this shit
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Under The Radar
(3,404 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Start the hearings right fucking now - lock up these fuckers
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I don't think they will do anything
Under The Radar
(3,404 posts)Trump committed a crime everyday and hasnt faced justice for anything. Just this week sworn testimony by the White House Legal Council revealed that Trump obstructed justice and there has been nothing proposed as punishment.
Are we all just going to wait and see on what Cy Vance comes up with?
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)gab13by13
(21,359 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Why did the hacking of Adam Schiff's email by the DOJ continue until last month? (MSNBC tonight)
~~~~~
Why is Merrick Garland defending Donald Trump?
"It is the sort of discretionary legal judgment that attorneys general often have to make..."
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/merrick-garland-donald-trump-rape-allegation.amp
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Garland's Trump defamation lawsuit decision might be legally defensible. It's also wrong.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/garland-s-trump-defamation-lawsuit-decision-might-be-legally-defensible-n1270188
It was argued on MSNBC tonight that it is not in the legal purview of the DOJ to do this.
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Dean tweeted:
We are going to learn what Attorney General Merrick Garland is made of by the way he handles this situation. He must do more than say it is awful. This is prosecutorial abuse at it worst and Garland must call it out for what it is intolerable behavior!
Link to tweet
Duppers
(28,125 posts)It's a must-see.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Dan
(3,568 posts)He was the president after alls.
But throw the BOOK at all who supported him and/or enabled him - give them the maximum penalties of all fronts.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)Rachael is covering it now
fatnixon was really acting like king
malaise
(269,054 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)thankfully it didnt work.
Indict ASAP, America would like to move on from this pretend Tony Soprano.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,180 posts)That's playing both sides of the fence. Nasty, nasty, illegal stuff. Just way beyond Machiavellian if that's possible. Evil.
malaise
(269,054 posts)bluestarone
(16,976 posts)RETHUGS in congress (both houses) KNEW this shit was going on!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Reporters and media personalities would have already been arrested.
The Trump years were as bad as we imagined.
malaise
(269,054 posts)It would be much worse now
malaise
(269,054 posts)It would be much worse now
kentuck
(111,102 posts)It's OK for them to investigate anyone that disagrees with them but it is not OK to investigate them. Then, it's a witch hunt
Evolve Dammit
(16,741 posts)gab13by13
(21,359 posts)Schiff said that norms were violated. I personally think it has to be illegal if Trump can be proven to have requested it and only Democrats were hacked. The thing is Rachel said that there are people working in Justice right now who were involved, they need to be subpoenaed.
Evolve Dammit
(16,741 posts)andym
(5,444 posts)Response to malaise (Original post)
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gab13by13
(21,359 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)gab13by13
(21,359 posts)That would be done in private, why not a public Congressional investigation with subpoenas live on TV just like Benghazi?
Duppers
(28,125 posts)👍
moondust
(19,993 posts)Sounds like Barr/DOJ apparently used gag orders the way TFG has always used non-disclosure agreements to keep people from talking. Apple's gag order expired and they spilled the beans. Wouldn't be surprised if there are more gag orders out there hiding more crimes.
triron
(22,006 posts)gab13by13
(21,359 posts)he too was spied on. This is the tip of the iceberg, just wait until we find out the Bidens were spied on.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)Why? I doubt this is a big surprise to anyone in the DOJ. Why are the people who were willing to subvert the law and every governmental norm still employed?
malaise
(269,054 posts)Speaker Pelosi needs a press conference tomorrow
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Way worse than Watergate - I agree with Gloria on CNN
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Remember how he used the National Enquirer to keep people in line
malaise
(269,054 posts)A Kakistocracy on steroids He belongs in prison
oasis
(49,389 posts)FelineOverlord
(3,580 posts)spooky3
(34,458 posts)Thank you, Cong. Schiff, for persevering.
Trump is evil on steroids
LaMouffette
(2,036 posts)Per usual, whatever Trump accuses someone else of is behavior he is guilty of himself. He accused Obama of spying and lo and behold, Trump is the one who was spying. Projection, thy name is Trump.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Nailed it
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Trump is among the worst, though!
Rhiannon12866
(205,467 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017661237
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)let Trump get away with anything and everything. AG Garland needs to attempt to rectify things. If he lets it slide he's no better than Barr.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Not saying that these cases are legit, but there must be some branch of US counter intelligence responsible for investigating members of Congress.
If not FBI counterintelligence, then who?
Hugin
(33,162 posts)It should be done exactly the same way.