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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:33 AM Jun 2021

Merrick Garland's Dilemma

The Attorney-General is an institutionalist. He said he believes in the rule of law. Most folks consider him an honest and decent man.

With the latest revelations of the former president's use of the Justice Department to spy on reporters, and on Democratic Congressmen that were over-seeing his role in the Mueller investigation, Merrick Garland must make a decision.

Does he let the different State authorities continue to investigate and prosecute, and disregard the Federal crimes that may have been committed by Mr Trump? Or does he follow the rule of law?

He truly believes that no man is above the law. Most especially, the President of the United States. He should set the example for the rest of America.

Bribery, extortion, perjury, obstruction of justice, and sedition are still crimes, even if committed from the White House. They have all been investigated thoroughly. He was impeached for two of the offenses already.

If Mr Garland truly believes in the rule of law, he must protect it from those that would abuse it from the highest levels of our government.

Mr. Garlands dilemma is whether or not to prosecute for crimes committed while in the White House. Should those be exempt? Or should they take priority over any crimes that may have happened before and after Mr Trump left the White House. The crimes committed during the four years in the White House cannot and should not be swept under the rug.

They are more important than anything that might have happened in New York before he became the President. The Presidency and the rule of law are at stake.

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Merrick Garland's Dilemma (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2021 OP
This is not a dilemma. There is no question about this. If this is not Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #1
Definitely he needs to investigate and prosecute Bev54 Jun 2021 #2
He's giving a news conference at 2 padah513 Jun 2021 #3
I am curious to see his responses. kentuck Jun 2021 #5
I am curious to hear how Garland will justify the DOJ trying to seize MerryBlooms Jun 2021 #8
Which records were they trying to seize? kentuck Jun 2021 #9
Michael Schmidt's records, one of the NY Times reporters who broke the story... MerryBlooms Jun 2021 #11
Thx! kentuck Jun 2021 #13
I can see him duckin' and dodgin' in his legalese glory. Peregrine Took Jun 2021 #22
Biden needs to light a fire under Garland's ass. comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #4
+1 jalan48 Jun 2021 #10
It's still early, but so far I tend to agree. Firestorm49 Jun 2021 #15
K and R Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #23
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2021 #25
don't I recall when he was a Supreme nominee that he was considered center/right? NewHendoLib Jun 2021 #6
This should not be a dilemma at all. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #7
Point to any evidence that he's "disregarding the Federal crimes" brooklynite Jun 2021 #12
This evidence has been there since his first day in office. kentuck Jun 2021 #14
When you were a prosecutor, how long did it take you to issue indictments? brooklynite Jun 2021 #16
You're the expert. kentuck Jun 2021 #18
You realize that that metaphor suggests the inability to obtain a conviction, right? brooklynite Jun 2021 #19
Also, how easy it is to indict... kentuck Jun 2021 #24
Somewhere down the line I'd like to clarify and firmly establish Firestorm49 Jun 2021 #17
So, you're accusing the Attorney General of "protecting the guilty"? brooklynite Jun 2021 #20
I can't talk for the poster, but I personally didn't read it that way. I took it to mean that Nay Jun 2021 #28
You're being too nice luv2fly Jun 2021 #21
I don't see a dilemma. Goodheart Jun 2021 #26
I think it is a dilemma for Merrick Garland. kentuck Jun 2021 #27
Then there's that self pardon Trump scipan Jun 2021 #29

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
1. This is not a dilemma. There is no question about this. If this is not
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:37 AM
Jun 2021

fully investigated and prosecuted, our Democracy is lost. If it is not prosecuted, this will be how republiQans ALWAYS conduct themselves in the future.

The Department of Justice is not "in the White House." Whether Donny bodybags can be prosecuted is a matter of debate, though only because republiQans have decreed tht it is a matter of debate.

But those who facilitated this were never "in the White House." They must all be prosecuted and if Garland does not do it, he will be complicit in the downfall of our Democracy.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
2. Definitely he needs to investigate and prosecute
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jun 2021

I got thinking last night that perhaps he did also do this to republicans and knowing how bloody crooked they are, he has obtained kompromat on them, which is one of the reasons they are still kissing his ass. In a way I hope that did happen and there could be a real distinction between republican and democrats in congress. He got nothing on the dems.

padah513

(2,503 posts)
3. He's giving a news conference at 2
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jun 2021

I think he had it scheduled before this latest bit of news. Was supposed to talk about voting rights but now who knows. Will definitely get some questions about the spying though.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
8. I am curious to hear how Garland will justify the DOJ trying to seize
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jun 2021

some of these records up to just two weeks ago. Outrageous.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
11. Michael Schmidt's records, one of the NY Times reporters who broke the story...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:21 AM
Jun 2021

stated on Rachael last night, and then on Morning Joe this morning.

Peregrine Took

(7,415 posts)
22. I can see him duckin' and dodgin' in his legalese glory.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jun 2021

Just think he was the wrong man for this job at this moment in history.

comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
4. Biden needs to light a fire under Garland's ass.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jun 2021

DOJ needs a thorough house cleaning and Garland doesn't look like he's up to the task.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
10. +1
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:19 AM
Jun 2021

We have power now and could lose it again in a couple of years. If we can’t act now we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves.

NewHendoLib

(60,015 posts)
6. don't I recall when he was a Supreme nominee that he was considered center/right?
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:08 AM
Jun 2021

I've been under no illusion at all that he can be part of the solution. Sad, I know.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. This should not be a dilemma at all.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jun 2021

Either Mr. Garland wants to live in a constitutional democracy, where no one is above the law, or he needs to be replaced. Pronto.

brooklynite

(94,595 posts)
12. Point to any evidence that he's "disregarding the Federal crimes"
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jun 2021

You imply that Garland sees this is an either/or choice. Please explain the basis for this conclusion.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
14. This evidence has been there since his first day in office.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jun 2021

It is still there. What is he waiting for? It's difficult for common folks to see it any other way.

I know. Patience.

brooklynite

(94,595 posts)
16. When you were a prosecutor, how long did it take you to issue indictments?
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:26 AM
Jun 2021

And how many were based on the fact that the blogosphere "knew he was guilty".

Not the way criminal justice works.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
24. Also, how easy it is to indict...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jun 2021

Normally, I would agree with you about taking your time and getting a conviction, but there is a sense of urgency, because the asshole is an ever-present threat that gets worse with each passing day. Even if not convicted, he is distracted from his normal destructive behavior.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
17. Somewhere down the line I'd like to clarify and firmly establish
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jun 2021

that no President is above the law. If a President is involved in criminal activity while in office, the hammer should drop.

Enough of the shielding to protect the guilty.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
28. I can't talk for the poster, but I personally didn't read it that way. I took it to mean that
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jun 2021

going forward, laws must be passed that specifically address the legitimate questions around whether a President can be indicted/arrested/jailed for crimes committed in office or out of it. There seems to be a lot of hand-wringing over the idea -- I understand that, since we are faced with a Repub Party that would surely start a thousand lawsuits the minute any Democrat took the oath of office.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
21. You're being too nice
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:50 AM
Jun 2021

MG should just throw the orange fuck away and we can all hope he rots in some miserable hell hole.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
27. I think it is a dilemma for Merrick Garland.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:04 PM
Jun 2021

In my opinion, it is out of his comfort zone. Just my opinion.

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