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Say a political party was given, on a silver platter, a failing economy, an out-of-control pandemic, and political disfunction during an election year, what would be your campaign advice to them?
What if that same political party spent most of their campaign resources on ads that basically said "The other party isn't so bad, vote for me!" Would you fire those campaign managers for being monumental idiots today or yesterday?
Guess what the Democrats did.
As you know, Democrats lost a dozen House seats and lost what were supposed to be slam-dunk Senate elections in Maine and North Carolina. The only reason why we won both seats in Georgia, and the slim majority in the Senate, is because we promised voters $2,000 checks.
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Yet during the 2020 elections, Democrats spent six times as much on positive television ads compared to the goops, according to an analysis by the progressive donor and strategy group Way to Win. Democrats spent three times as much as the goops on ads featuring "bipartisanship" and "reaching across the aisle."
What deranged morons would rehabilitate their political enemies in this way during the middle of an economic disaster? Meanwhile, the goops spent almost all their energies demonizing Democrats as extremists and radicals -- something WE should have done to them. As a result, the goops either made gains or limited the fallout of what could have been another Blue Wave election.
Democrats need to stop treating elections like a game. Take the advice from James Carville and learn how to throw anvils to drowning opponents.
Dan
(3,568 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)You know its all projection, and they sing loudly on this one.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And people say we have a good chance of keeping the house in 2022 even if we leave the goops alone to rig the game
Initech
(100,080 posts)Is because her opponent dropped out of the race after getting death threats. She shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Congress, but because the GQP pulls shit like that, we're stuck with cretins like her, and Cawthorn, and Boebert. And it will probably get worse.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)It's no wonder she squashed him weeks before the election was even held.
Our side needs to work much harder on selecting candidates.
Initech
(100,080 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)We keep reading about ALLL the underhanded bullshit the repubs do. ALLLLL the borderline illegal shit they do. And yet I get to come on this site daily and read people shitting all over democrats. How long has Collins been a senator in Maine? And you categorize that seat as a supposed slam dunk? It is time to face facts that there is a very latge portion of the country that is completely comfortable with authoritarianism. Democrats worked their asses off to get what we do have and it was worth it. But every damn day I get to read on this forum how weak democrats are. How they are doing it wrong. How we have to be more like the GOP. So
. What? We need to forget our political norma? Operate close to the legal lines? Dismiss democracy to what? Preserve democracy?
What exactly are we supposed to do differently that keeps us tethered to the foundations of our country? Becaise telling me we have to throw anvils to sinking republicans is a great sound byte but without specifics thats all it is. What would you have democrats do?
We dont have a majority in the senate. At least not on some issues we dont. What in the last election should we have done differently to gain more seats? Because as I remember it was a herculean effort and still there were enough people that just could mot be woken up to see the light.
FFS if people couldnt see the hypocrisy, and the bullshit from Collins last go around just what the hell were we going to do to change their votes?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And look where that got us. We need to do better.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)We need to do better Isnt very descriptive. Given how hard we worked last election and given the bullshit that goes on and the thick headedness of the voters, what exactly does We need to do better mean? What do you suggest?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Yes you worked hard, but you failed.
Do you shrug your shoulders and repeat the same mistakes again?
No, you find out what mistakes you do and don't repeat the mistakes.
Some say don't campaign on "defund the police," others say don't burn money on positive ads on "bipartisanship" when actual demons are demonizing you.
But the least you can do is NOT play interference against people who are pushing for change.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)What????
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)us the Presidency with the highest number of votes in history. Senate and other downballot votes are a completely different story.
There are vast numbers of ways to interpret all this, but it could probably be argued that we could have gone more for the throat of the asshole in the WH, but everyone is rightfully hesitant to call that asshole an asshole. You just don't admit that the country managed to elect the dumbest, meanest, most inept asshole in the country to that job.
Besides, the dumbest of the believers will be simply reinforced in their idiotic cult beliefs that you are the problem, not their crowned leader.
Now, if I were the despotic leader of all the Democrats, I might lean toward vicious attacks from the ground up. School boards are one place to start, as the R's have discovered, and rephrasing some arguments toward basic human rights most of us agree with, and basic biology and human relationships most of us agree with would be a good start. No quarter for those arguing against basic human decency.
Then, we can start on those clowns in state government that regularly make fools of themselves in public. Really, just asking if it's possible to adjust the Moon's orbit just shows you're a fucking asshole. And suggesting a woman already grieving over a miscarriage should have to prove she didn't have an abortion takes you out of the human race entirely.
And Congress-- after all that practice, we should be able to properly target and annihilate the fools and tools there.
UTUSN
(70,707 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,375 posts)And why did Dems fail? They failed to sweep! When was the last time Dems didn't fail to sweep? 1979.
I wonder if there is anything Dems can do that does not constitute failure.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And MAYBE some corporate welfare bills, because we can't pass critical legislation over the goop veto.
Democrats lost about a dozen seats in the House.
Biden won, but only by 44,000 votes in the context of the electoral college. If the goops had disenfranchised those votes, say hello to second term president 45.
Enough with sitting on nonexistent laurels and enough being cavalier about the pressures the Dems face in future elections. We didn't take the goops seriously in 2009-10, and we are still paying for it now.
Beastly Boy
(9,375 posts)Three spending legislations this year are three more than the Dems were able to pass for the past four years; losing about a dozen seats in the House and still maintaining the majority says a lot about the fundamental strength of the Dems; winning the presidency by 7 million votes (not sure what "in the context of electoral college means) is the second largest in 20 years. With "failures" like these, who needs sweeping victories?
These are very real laurels I am sitting on, and this seating arrangement makes me comfortable enough to reject cries of wolf and predictions of falling sky I keep hearing on a regular basis. While I don't intend to occupy my comfy laurel seat forever, I am not quite ready to clutch pearls and spread panic over aforementioned "failures". Perhaps at some time in the future, when I have more compelling reasons for doing so.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Remember those years? Dems passed... some bills and were rewarded for it in the election.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)when you know you have to wrestle with pigs
BGBD
(3,282 posts)Happens to be the progressives approach to crime and law enforcement....which happens to be the main reason Democrats don't have larger majorities in both chambers right now.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Despite the firestorm of goop talking points over crime and "defunding muh police."
And being tough on black crime doesn't work because the homicide clearance rate declined dramatically over several decades
BGBD
(3,282 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)And I'm still pissed about that one because I believe it cost us some house and senate races.
As a democrat, I don't want to defund the police. I want to reform the police. Take away their tanks and rocket launchers. Make them wear body cameras AT ALL TIMES, NO EXCEPTIONS. And hold them accountable in the event that their weapons are discharged. While those things wouldn't solve all our problems, they would at least be a step in the right direction. "De-militarizing the police" would be much better messaging, IMO.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)While many predicted landslide victories and checked what were the largest victory margins, some "Debbie downers" were willing to look at the less comfortable news and polls. The sounded alarms mostly went unheeded
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)We've already committed the cardinal offense of criticizing the Dem leadership.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)that we need to remember.
2020 also brought out every MAGAT from under their holes. They registered a whole pile of first time voters and our registration lagged behind our usual (and this is 100% due to the pandemic and us being responsible and them not).
We lost at least some seats because every breathing MAGAT came out to vote for their orange overlord.
It wasn't enough overall, but it was enough in districts that were relatively closely divided to turn it over.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)In reality, 5.9 percent of voters were low-propensity Republicans and just 4.7 percent were infrequent Democratic voters, providing the narrow margin of victory for the GOP candidate.
Before a narrow loss in South Florida, the final Democratic poll predicted a six-point victory based on a voter makeup that included 38 percent who were registered Democrats and 33 percent Republicans, when in reality it was just 34 percent Democrats and 36 percent Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/democrats-2020-autopsy-midterms/2021/05/18/6114af82-b80d-11eb-a5fe-bb49dc89a248_story.html
Meanwhile, that same DCCC study found that the smear campaign over socialism and defund was only responsible for 30% of the fallout, while trumpanzee turnout was responsible for the other 70%.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)and this is exactly what happened.
The right wing ads here were mostly focused on Trump and Nancy Pelosi.
The pandemic was the biggest problem here, I believe. We normally have canvassing operations. We couldn't do that and leaving literature on doorknobs isn't the same as having conversations. Even if you only talk to a couple of people in a neighborhood, they talk to others.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Because they didn't care about infecting people, and that probably turned out more trumpanzees too.
brush
(53,787 posts)calling themselves democratic socialists despite it being well known that the word "socialism" is toxic to not just many greatest generationers, boomers, and older GenXers, but also to many Latinx voters.
Thank God those two have toned down their self-avowed socialism as its pretty obvious it cost us seats in the House and possibly the Senate as well.
And of course as you've said, "defund the police" cost us dearly too.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)if we follow your logic. Is it time to replace the Speaker?
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Specifically.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Sorry for the apparent confusion.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Negative Pelosi ads were fiction. She never said she was a socialist or that "Defunding police means defunding police."
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Alongside all the other socialists boogiepeople.
The goops will always lie about the Dems, and it doesn't help if you propagate their message.
brush
(53,787 posts)She had to corral the self-avowed democratic socialist and her squad while also containing some centrist/right-leaning Dems in order to keep her caucus together. She also never called herself a socialist so what's your logic again for replacing her?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Since she's a source of negative ads, should we get rid of her?
brush
(53,787 posts)That's weak. Every Dem, especially prominent ones, get negative attacks from republicans. That's how politics works.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I was asking if Pelosi is a liability to the Dems since the goops feature negative ads about her. I did not explicitly call for her replacement.
brush
(53,787 posts)betsuni
(25,537 posts)the "We're better than Republicans" party, they have to stand for something.
Democratic voters are nothing like Republicans. Americans say they want bipartisanship.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Correct. The party that became a minority party by obstructing every positive thing the Dems put forth.
McConnell himself has admitted that bipartisanship is dead. We do not have a valid negotiating partner. We have to push forward without the assholes.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Not like the majority of Americans follow politics, they don't know Republicans are 100% obstructionist. At least mainstream media mentions this occasionally now.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)betsuni
(25,537 posts)First link after Googling:
http://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/29/politics/cnn-poll-bipartisanship
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)or we can get useful things done.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)So voters are more realistic than certain Democrats.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And whether this translated into any significant electoral dividends.
On edit: It has been clear for years that voters do NOT value bipartisanship. If they did, the goops would have been gone a long time ago.
Goops get rewarded for being obstructionists, Dems get blamed for stagnation. That's how it works now.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This is no time for nice-nice.
Sledgehammer to the balls. (Figuratively)
JHB
(37,160 posts)Democrats spent x-times the goops on this or that but it wasn't good enough?
Well, when every goop ad rides piggyback on a 24/7 stream of rants and lies, that's an apples and oranges situation. Actually, it's probably closer to apples and orangutans.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Meanwhile, we got fellow Democrats doing the goops job for them and shit-talking about AOC and the squad, right in this thread even
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Messaging is much easier when you're not constrained by truth or accuracy
ChrisF1961
(457 posts)I thought it was all because of defund the police
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)It's not a slam, just a statement
GWB and the GOPers were despised, and the antiwar movement was huge
Everyone said the Republican party was dead
Yet, here we are...