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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:04 PM Jun 2021

Kim Kardashian West has has failed her first-year law exam for a second time.

Kim Kardashian, who is studying for a law degree, aims to open her own law firm.
She was seen saying: "I failed... I just have to not stress about it."

She said she was "bummed" about the result, which was "a little bit worse" than her first attempt earlier this year.
She added: "I just have to do better in the future."

The reality star was taking the ‘baby bar exam’, a one-day test that is taken after a year's study.
She pledged to take the exam for a third time later this month.

"I just feel I've worked so hard in life to achieve everything that I wanted to and I lived up to my expectations and achieved 10 times more than I even thought was humanly possible ...”

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57439616

So she can't get past the first year of law school ?

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Kim Kardashian West has has failed her first-year law exam for a second time. (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jun 2021 OP
"achieved 10 times more than I thought was humanly possible" Skittles Jun 2021 #1
Color me surprised. MineralMan Jun 2021 #2
The only Kardashian to have completed college was apparently Kourtney... hlthe2b Jun 2021 #3
Rob Kardashian(their brother) graduated from USC nt maryellen99 Jun 2021 #32
I meant among the clan of females hlthe2b Jun 2021 #34
Yeah he was on there quite a bit nt maryellen99 Jun 2021 #43
I guess her Dorian Gray Jun 2021 #37
She's "worked so hard in life".... SergeStorms Jun 2021 #4
sex tape made her famous Demovictory9 Jun 2021 #30
That seems to be.... SergeStorms Jun 2021 #36
Too much time in front of the mirror kskiska Jun 2021 #5
I heard that the Baby Bar EndlessWire Jun 2021 #6
agreed. she's 40 now...seems to want to achieve something that does involve flashing her butt/boobs Demovictory9 Jun 2021 #31
I've heard the majority do not lass the first time xmas74 Jun 2021 #41
1 year experience? Maxheader Jun 2021 #42
EDIT: Never mind. I was wrong. Iggo Jun 2021 #44
In Searching A Few Things About This... ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #7
It's how Lincoln became a lawyer nuxvomica Jun 2021 #9
I Know, But... ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #33
No no.... Dorian Gray Jun 2021 #39
CA is one of the few states where you can sit for the bar exam without a JD. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #22
7 states allow you to "read the law" in lieu of attending law school: hlthe2b Jun 2021 #38
AND she got a lower score on the SECOND test. no_hypocrisy Jun 2021 #8
Obligatory Claude Rains reference JHB Jun 2021 #10
The Front Lawn - Claude Rains oioioi Jun 2021 #25
You might be surprised to hear sarisataka Jun 2021 #11
There are two ways of looking at this. madaboutharry Jun 2021 #12
Yep. I have a friend who's son is super bamagal62 Jun 2021 #17
It's a tough one hardluck Jun 2021 #23
She'll be fine In It to Win It Jun 2021 #13
How sweet of the BBC for covering this important story!!!! tenderfoot Jun 2021 #14
And yet people read it and comment left-of-center2012 Jun 2021 #18
I would guess she is spending tons of money on exam prep/pass programs Bristlecone Jun 2021 #15
I've known good lawyers that failed the Bar Exam multiple times. haele Jun 2021 #16
CA allows you to sit BGBD Jun 2021 #21
They already have that. It's called Law School. Iggo Jun 2021 #45
I don't know much about her... RegularJam Jun 2021 #19
She's not actually in law school. Ms. Toad Jun 2021 #20
You know who also failed their bar exam? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #24
Looks and being married or "connected" to famous people... Xolodno Jun 2021 #26
She has fans, can be a great influence as an activist/lawyer. She votes Democratic. betsuni Jun 2021 #27
Sorry Kim, you're a fucking idiot. n/m BradAllison Jun 2021 #28
I'm oddly relieved to hear this if it means Totally Tunsie Jun 2021 #29
The headline is false obamanut2012 Jun 2021 #35
"took the baby bar." left-of-center2012 Jun 2021 #40

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
3. The only Kardashian to have completed college was apparently Kourtney...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:11 PM
Jun 2021

Reading the law outside of attending law school is clearly difficult. Perhaps some of what she might have learned by completing four years of college might have given her a "leg up." Just a thought.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
36. That seems to be....
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:42 AM
Jun 2021

the road to "stardom" for so many of the idle rich's daughters in this day and age.

How else are they going to differentiate themselves from all the other young "influencers" out on the market today?

It's a dog-eat-dog world out there when you want to make millions for doing absolutely nothing. Education? That's an awful lot like work, and not the most direct and surefire road to riches. Sex sells. Isn't that what they say?

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
41. I've heard the majority do not lass the first time
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 08:04 AM
Jun 2021

Added with our climate due to covid and she's now going through a divorce-Im not surprised.

I hope she takes it again, even if she fails. It keeps this program in the spotlight and might draw interest from those who couldn't afford to go to law school.

ProfessorGAC

(65,134 posts)
7. In Searching A Few Things About This...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:19 PM
Jun 2021

...she did not complete undergrad studies & has no degree.
However, I found a cite that one can apply for the bar without having gone to college.
She's doing what's referred to as the "nontraditional route".
I can see why. I admit I didn't pursue details because I don't care enough.
But, I didn't know someone could become a lawyer without going to college for it.

ProfessorGAC

(65,134 posts)
33. I Know, But...
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:16 AM
Jun 2021

...that was 175 years ago.
I don't know whether we even had a university in our state in those times. (Maybe there was some. I don't know the ages of our universities here. I do know the undergrad schools my wife & I attended were founded post WW2!)
Just surprised it can still happen.

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
38. 7 states allow you to "read the law" in lieu of attending law school:
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:46 AM
Jun 2021

California, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, New York, Maine, and Wyoming

But to do so without developing the critical thinking skills that one (or at least MANY) learn/hone in college would seem quite difficult.

madaboutharry

(40,216 posts)
12. There are two ways of looking at this.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jun 2021

Last edited Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

1. It is always admirable when a person embarks on an undertaking to improve themselves and pursue a goal.

2. It takes a whole new level of entitlement for a person who dropped out of community college to think they can become a lawyer. I would think that most people doing this at least have an undergraduate degree.

Lawyers may be deeply disliked, but everyone of them spent 7 years doing the hard work of going to a college or university, studying for the LSAT, spending 3 years in law school during which time they were not infrequently terrorized by law professors, and then studying for and passing the bar exam. It is a difficult road.

Another point, the actual bar exam in California is notorious. It is beyond me how she thinks she would ever pass it.

bamagal62

(3,268 posts)
17. Yep. I have a friend who's son is super
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:53 PM
Jun 2021

Smart. Graduated from Pitt. Went to Santa Clara for law and failed it twice. He’s decided to go another route. California bar is not easy.

hardluck

(640 posts)
23. It's a tough one
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 12:35 AM
Jun 2021

We’ve had a few first year associates fail twice and them were let go. It’s rough to watch those poor kids get crushed like that. Had a friend who passed on her sixth try. She was a great student but just didn’t do well on the multiple choice day of the exam. Did fine on the written part though. That was grit and determination right there.

I poured myself a very large bourbon before I checked my results.

Bristlecone

(10,130 posts)
15. I would guess she is spending tons of money on exam prep/pass programs
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:11 PM
Jun 2021

Software, etc and very little time actually reading and understanding the law. She seems like the type that has always pressed the easy button.

I may be wrong.

haele

(12,667 posts)
16. I've known good lawyers that failed the Bar Exam multiple times.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 09:29 PM
Jun 2021

She's learning Law via an apprenticeship, which is not easier than going to an accredited law school. One of my bosses and both his sons went to law school of the government dime, he had to take the Bar twice and one of his sons had to take it three times.
California Bar is pretty difficult, despite the occasional idiots like Orley Tatz.
And cheating is not unheard-of to "pass".

Haele

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
21. CA allows you to sit
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 10:56 PM
Jun 2021

For the bar even if you went to a non accredited school, right? I didn't realize that extended to people who aren't even going to law school like Kim apparently is.

She has a billion dollars....just hire some actual law professors to come give you private lessons or something.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
26. Looks and being married or "connected" to famous people...
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:15 AM
Jun 2021

...isn't a pass for exams. Unless you have something on the Professor or if they are shady and willing to take $.

But the Bar Exam isn't administrated by a Professor, you have no idea who is going to grade it.

And since she has no college degree, was already at a massive disadvantage.

Her best bet was get an AA and become a para-legal first.

Nope, wants the easy way to a law degree....just like becoming famous. But hey, the latter did make her rich.

betsuni

(25,591 posts)
27. She has fans, can be a great influence as an activist/lawyer. She votes Democratic.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:20 AM
Jun 2021

Last edited Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:50 AM - Edit history (1)

She's not stupid. She's admired Hillary Clinton for many years and voted for her. Compare that with Susan Sarandon (who's been an activist for decades) who was convinced Hillary was a corrupt warmonger monster more dangerous than Trump. THAT'S stupid. Now that Kim's older and a mother, she probably wants to be more like her father.

It's amazing the family became so successful based on nothing but a hell of a lot of plastic surgery and a fake reality TV show, taking making yourself into a brand to the limit. It has to be studied in business schools, it must be!

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
29. I'm oddly relieved to hear this if it means
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:28 AM
Jun 2021

she won't be a practicing attorney (yet). There are already enough obnoxious famewhore attorneys clogging the airwaves without adding a Kardashian to the group.

Just IMO...

obamanut2012

(26,094 posts)
35. The headline is false
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:25 AM
Jun 2021

She is in an apprentice program and took the baby bar. She isn't a 1L, and law schools don't tend to let first years retake finals anyway, they kick you out.

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