Had a disturbing conversation with a relative

[ripcord]

He is very upset that his taxes go towards Covered California which is how the state administers Obamacare. He looked right at me and was as serious as he could be when he said that if people who can't afford health insurance get hurt or sick they should just die, that is capitalism.

[Trueblue1968]

1. I'm sorry but I think your relative is horrible.

[CTyankee]

2. Tell him to cheer up, he could be living in France or Germany or Italy or the UK or....just about

every place on earth who have health care systems that either the government provides (UK) or one that has health care as a right under their citizenship. Ask him why it is that ALL those countries CHOSE that system. WE ARE THE EXCEPTION not the rule. Even Canada has one such system.

[XanaDUer2]

3. What a horrible thing to think

he may get hurt someday and find out his insurance is inadequate

[ripcord]

5. A number of our relatives heard this

I don't think he and his family will be invited to many gatherings from now on.

[RainCaster]

4. He's obviously not Christian

WWJD?

[Hekate]

9. No no no, you don't understand.If you're a good person Jesus lays his hands on you & it's all better

So that’s what Republican Jesus would do. And if you get sick and sicker and die, it’s because you weren’t good enough and your prayer circle didn’t pray hard enough.

Never mind the Sermon on the Mount….

[Maru Kitteh]

11. Or - if you get sicker and die it's because you were SO GOOD that Jesus wanted you to come home

And you had already done your work on Earth, or you shouldn't suffer any more, or one of your dead relatives needs you, or, or, or . . . . .

[RainCaster]

12. That's true, He did ask for a co-pay before healing

[canetoad]

17. Jesus....

The National Health Service for evangelicals.

[RussellCattle]

28. This is what Karl Marx meant when he said the religion was the opiate of the masses. Poor....

.....people in pain had only prayer to "ease" their suffering, while the rich could afford opiates.

[lagomorph777]

29. Wow - never thought of it that way!

Thanks for a fresh view.

[RussellCattle]

30. You're welcome. It surprised me me too when I first read about it a few years ago. The....

....statement has always been misinterpreted as critical of religion as a means of disparaging Marx.

[lagomorph777]

31. I always thought it was critical of religion and favorable to Marx.

[RussellCattle]

33. Jeez, now I'm confused. I thought that Christian folk, who hated Communism and Marx.....

....would use his quote about religion being the "opiate of the masses" as proof of his atheism and disdain for religion. I guess it depends on who is doing the quoting. It's like when we say today "you say that likes it's a bad thing" when we don't agree with someone's criticism.

[RussellCattle]

34. Yep, just reread your post and I was confused. Thanks again.

[lagomorph777]

36. Yeah, "you say that like it's a bad thing" is where I'm coming from.

I'm an atheist.

[twin_ghost]

6. Yeah, If he lost his health insurance and then got sick he would change his opinion fast.

[KT2000]

7. that is the truth we have to face

many repubs believe that very thing. That is exactly what the "other side" is all about.

[ripcord]

8. We have a winner

[RKP5637]

10. Yeah, I guess just pray the hurt or sickness away, yep, that works really well. Guess likely

your relative thinks that too ...

[jalan48]

13. That is capitalism. It's even worse. Capitalism will say you can starve if you refuse to work for

what the capitalist offers.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

14. I dispise capitalism.

And fucking republicans twisted inhumane beliefs.

I wish having an R by your name meant public ridicule,not being listened to and public shunning,forever.

[waterwatcher123]

15. You could use a capitalist retort.

Why should the rest of us pay higher health insurance costs because people knowingly take risks by refusing to get vaccinated for COVID-19? It would a capitalist approach to notify these people that their Intensive Care Stay (ICU) will not be covered when a safe option exits to avoid such an outcome (maybe not nice - but certainly a capitalist approach).

[Whiskeytide]

25. Nicely done. n/t

[waterwatcher123]

39. Thanks -

[Baitball Blogger]

16. And I am happy when they're this blunt. Because it removes any doubt about who they are.

And I generally do not waste another second of my time with them.

[roamer65]

18. Does that apply to him if he loses his insurance?

Of course it doesn’t. Then they want a handout.

[smirkymonkey]

19. What a sick individual.

I'm sorry, but he really is.

[stillcool]

20. Republicans don't like paying taxes

for any thing...except military. Every piece of land should be privately owned, and maintained. Reminds me of city parking meters being sold and maintained by foreign governments. People really believe that they are the chosen ones. If your relative had any say in my life, I wouldn't have made it past a year-old.

[Demovictory9]

21. Ugh..that is disturbing 😵

[Wounded Bear]

22. Yep, that is capitalism in all its glory...

I'd rather not live in a country where that is true, though, so I like to regulate capitalism, thank you very much.

[aggiesal]

23. And then he said, ''I'm pro life!'' ...

You'll never convince me that (R)'s/Conservatives are Pro-Life in any way.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

24. Your relative surely hears that type of psychopathy...

... on a regular basis, if right-wing media is their thing.

They promote lack of empathy constantly.

[griffi94]

26. I feel lucky

That I don't care if your relative is upset. I don't support trillions in military spending, privatizing everything that can have money sucked out of it, or subsidizing the fossil fuel industry. Not getting everything you want is part of living in a society.

[indigoth]

27. And I imagine

I imagine he claims to be pro-life, too?

[GoodRaisin]

32. He quoted you the Rand Paul plan. nt

[634-5789]

35. Family can be the most toxic things in your life.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

37. It is the lack of humanity that is really disgusting

Sorry about your relative, most of us also have these type of people in our families as well.

Education and Empathy, we as a country need a hell of a lot more of it !!!!!!!

[ansible]

38. Are there any California members here on Covered California?

I really wanted to lower my health insurance costs, but the requirements is insane. you need to be extremely poor to qualify