BREAKING: Ukraine admitted to NATO

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[hlthe2b]

1. Well, Putin... THAT'S YOUR message from NATO (and Biden)

KUDOS

[SheltieLover]

53. This!👆

Yaaaaaaaay!

[onetexan]

56. K&R

[triron]

57. Loud and clear.

[Blue_true]

115. No shit!!! nt

[ShazzieB]

59. That's the message all right.

And it looks like a great big one of these:



Suck it, Pootie!

[Grasswire2]

63. Not true. Bad reporting!

Yamiche has not properly reported this.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

80. Bad READING. Yamiche's reporting is good: She reported ZELENSKY SAID. He did

Reporters wish readers would read as carefully as they write.

They write carefully.

Readers should read carefully.

[hlthe2b]

88. ++++++

[Grasswire2]

114. Brooklyn's headline is bad.

Should have been removed when the attribution was correctly displayed.

[Effete Snob]

64. It's fake

This is one of those "push fake information to provoke a reaction" things that is done to manipulate social media consumers.

Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO. The OP is pure misinformation.

[hlthe2b]

66. Excuse me! Yamiche Alcindor may have reported in error, but she is NOT FAKE NEWS.

Any reporter can make an error or report what they were INACCURATELY told.

But, Yamiche Alcindor is a top-rate reporter and does not deserve your comment. Take that crap elsewhere. This is not Breitbart.

[Effete Snob]

67. Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO

That's an amazing thing to simply flub.

[hlthe2b]

68. Your comment towards a top-rate reporter-regardless of the error is unworthy of DU

You merely had to point out the error with a link to validation of your point, rather than claim Alcindor is "fake media." Where did you get that terminology from, hmmmmm? I wonder.

[Effete Snob]

70. As is false information

Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO.

I have made no personal remarks about anyone.

[hlthe2b]

71. You acccused a top-rated female African American reporter for PBS & NBC of being "fake news"

for an error, which any reporter can make. SHAME ON YOU! I have to wonder about you.

[TraceNC]

124. What does her gender and race have to do with anything?

I assume she got to her position because of her experience, intelligence, and work ethic.

But back to the actual topic. Hopefully she clarified the tweet. Anyone can make a mistake. And there’s probably a lot of pressure these days when the press is more geared toward being first than being accurate.

[hlthe2b]

125. In trying to give the poster benefit-of-the doubt, I wanted to assume they didn't know WHO

Alcindor was, so I described her. Your point?

Frankly, your reaction is what I'd expect on Breitbart as well. What do you object to-- the fact that this heralded reporter is FEMALE or that she is African American (or both? ) Good heavens!

[TraceNC]

126. Just found it odd that the focus wasn't

on her work, intelligence and achievements, all of which are formidable. Your “defense” of her seemed very generic rather than about her, substantively.

And I see (at least twice in this thread alone) that when you disagree your immediate go-to is to tie the other DU’er to a right-wing trash website. That’s pretty weak. But do what you must, I guess, if that’s the only option.

[hlthe2b]

127. Your objection to pointing out that she was a heralded PBS reporter but also a black female

speaks for itself. Perhaps you have some reflection to do on YOUR reactions to accomplished women and/or African Americans. I stand by my comment to you. Your reaction is very questionable. Again, is it one or both that bothers you?

[TraceNC]

128. Actually I'm the one who

highlighted her intelligence, achievements and work ethic. I find it odd and a little insulting (to Ms. Alcindor) that that you chose to devalue those aspects of her life and character. We should be recognizing these things, not omitting them. (Assuming you know anything about her actual work, which is doubtful at this point.) But I’ll leave it at that. Have a nice Tuesday.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. Yeah, but that is NOT what the reporter wrote. Read it carefully for the first time. She wrote caref

She wrote carefully. She deserves to be read carefully.

She did NOT say "Ukraine has been admitted".

She wrote "Zelensky said". She correctly did not go further while she waited for confirmation.

But it is TRUE that Zelensky said ... .

[Effete Snob]

86. I saw the subject line and shit bricks

You keep responding to my comments about what was posted as if "NATO was not admitted to the Ukraine" is a statement in need of qualification. I don't know why.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

89. Well me too. But your other posts make clear that this post was brief and not condemning reporter

I think you have it clear that Zelensky and the DU OP were in error, not the reporter.

[hlthe2b]

92. That poster DID condemn one of the best reporters out there who has done yeoman's work

the past five years. That poster said the following: "This is one of those "push fake information to provoke a reaction" things that is done to manipulate social media consumers. "

We should not allow this to go unchallenged on DU. This is not a RW site and we do NOT accuse MSM reporters of "fake news." Damn!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

93. Yup. Some DU members, OP included, need to up their skills and critical thinking. . . . nt

[FBaggins]

131. Actually... I read it as condemning the OP - which is reasonable

The OP title does not correctly represent the material contained in the reporting itself.

It's also possible that Zelensky is the one "push(ing) fake information to provoke a reaction"

The key is that the combination of the initial post... reporter reaction... and then OP title - add up to something that isn't true.

[muriel_volestrangler]

122. Her claim "This is a move President Biden backed" was in error

We've seen what he said. He has not "backed" any new move; he's reiterated that a years-old goal of reforming Ukraine until it's fit to join NATO remains in place. If she hadn't mentioned Biden, there wouldn't be Americans getting all excited by the Ukrainian president's tweet.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

76. Alcindor reported ZELENSKY said Ukraine admitted. Not the same thing as being admitted. Read, folks

Reporters like her write very carefully. Zelensky seems to be the one with egg on their face.

[hlthe2b]

90. Indeed she did.

[Klaralven]

96. Zelensky said "will become a member". That's sort of like Turkey "will become a member of the EU"

It's a long, never-ending process.

There is a Membership Action Plan that needs to happen first. Georgia has been working on theirs since 2008.

Note that all NATO members must unanimously agree on new members. Greece has been holding up the membership of Macedonia because of naming.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_07/20160627_1607-factsheet-enlargement-eng.pdf

[The Roux Comes First]

2. Alas, That Could Interfere With the Impaler's Plans!

Let us only hope.

[genxlib]

3. Cue the wingnuts

I am sure this will be spun as some kind of quid pro quo for protecting Hunter.

[onetexan]

129. Yup was thinking the same. Somehow they w spin it like a top

To paint MoJoe in a negative light.

[Hortensis]

4. Big doin'! Just turned CNN on to see Biden talking on NATO.

"An attack on one ally is an attack on all." Earlier today Putin told Ukraine joining NATO was not acceptable.

[wcmagumba]

5. Puty Probly POd...nt

[Jedi Guy]

52. Vlad has a sad. N/T

[former9thward]

111. He probably didn't.

He knows Ukraine was not admitted and will not be.

[doc03]

6. Putin and Trump won't be happy about that. nt

[alittlelark]

7. Putti haz a sad.......

[wryter2000]

8. Whoa

In your face, Pooty-Poot.

[mitch96]

11. Yup, that directly pisses in his cornflakes..HA.. Ok worse case scenario

Would NATO go to war over the Ukraine?
m

[Kid Berwyn]

45. That would be the case.

Article 5.

Collective defence... an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

[Tomconroy]

9. I suspect the headline may be misleading.

It may be only that Ukraine will have a possible path to eventual NATO membership.

[JHB]

44. That's what I'm reading from WaPo coverage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/14/joe-biden-live-updates/#link-WL3NSH6SRNCB7NLBRWI3K7R4SQ
(Paywall warning)

4:26 p.m.
Biden open to Ukraine joining NATO but says country must first deal with corruption
By Donna Cassata

Biden indicated Monday that he is open to Ukraine becoming a member of the NATO alliance but stressed that it must first meet certain criteria, including rooting out corruption.

“School’s out on that question. It remains to be seen. In the meantime, we will do all that we can to put Ukraine in the position to be able to continue to resist Russian physical aggression,” the president told reporters at a news conference in Brussels after a day of meetings with leaders from the alliance.

***
In recent days, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has thanked the Group of Seven nations for their help as they have called on Russia to withdraw its troops from the Ukraine border. In its joint communique, the NATO members reaffirmed the decision made in 2008 about Ukraine’s process for becoming a member. “The success of wide-ranging, sustainable, and irreversible reforms, including combating corruption, promoting an inclusive political process, and decentralisation reform, based on democratic values, respect for human rights, minorities, and the rule of law, will be crucial in laying the groundwork for a prosperous and peaceful Ukraine,” the communique said.

Tweets from various entities in Ukraine on Monday suggested there had been a change in policy, but Biden made it clear that was not the case. He stressed that the decision is not his alone but will “depend on the alliance and how they vote.”

[Firestorm49]

65. Over here, we don't call it corruption. We call it lobbying. Its just a matter of simantics.

How about Turkey?

[Effete Snob]

62. Correct - the OP is provocative fake news

[Bernardo de La Paz]

78. THREAD headline is fake. She said ZELENSKY said. She probably has tape. Highly unlikely fake.

Headline does not accurately reflect her reporting.

[Effete Snob]

83. Yes, I understand that

My understanding is that the abbreviation "OP" refers to that which was posted here.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. Touche! I did not read your post as carefully as I advised! Thank you. OP abbrev does indeed refer

... Original Post

[Effete Snob]

87. .

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. Yes it is. She wrote ZELENSKY said .... Not that Ukraine was actually admitted. Words count.

[Grasswire2]

116. yes. nt

[tritsofme]

10. This seems pretty risky.

If Russia takes another bite at Ukraine, we could be left with the unpleasant choice of the dissolution of NATO or World War III...

[Mr.Bill]

19. Russia doesn't want WWIII.

For one thing, they simply can't afford it. I wonder what is now our (NATO's) official stance on Crimea?

[Voltaire2]

24. nobody can "afford" WWIII

the point is that if, for example, eastern Ukraine "secedes" from Ukraine and Russia backs that with troops, a not unlikely scenario, there really is fuck all we or nato can do about that other than go nuclear, and as nobody can "afford" WWIII, we aren't going to do that.

This raises the stakes but doesn't change the outcome.

[OMGWTF]

47. There's an old saying: WWIV will be fought with clubs.

[roamer65]

49. Albert Einstein.

[lastlib]

20. Holy shit, yes!

Article V--need anyone say more?

Two questions arise: 1) does Putin have the cojones to test NATO/American resolve? 2) Do the NATO nations have the stomach for a fight? It's a roll of the dice.

[dianaredwing]

42. Didn't we go through with this stare down

back in 1961?

[onetexan]

105. Bingo. I do not think Putin has the balls to have the majority of Europe & western alliances against

him. "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Roosevelt said this but in so many ways i see Biden doing this, notably what he's doing now @NATO summit. Attack one & you attack all - we need to remember NATO stood with us after 911. We need to have their backs as well. Natio alliances cannot keep letting Putin continue his incursion of the Ukraine.

[Jedi Guy]

54. Given Putin's past record of provocations, I'd say he has the cojones, yes.

Thus far no one has really called his bluff, but an outright attack on a NATO member nation is a completely different kettle of fish to the shit he's pulled to date.

As for your second question, I'd say it depends. Kicking the Russians out of Ukraine would not, in theory, be particularly difficult. Their military is no match for that of the US, so when you add in all the other NATO member nations, they'd get steamrolled back across the border pretty quickly.

The tricky bit is, does the conflict widen from there? If the Russians and Chinese find common cause and become allies, then things can turn very nasty indeed. Neither country can project force in the way we can, as neither has a true blue-water navy... yet. China is aggressively working on addressing that deficiency.

The other tricky bit is that while the conflict would be fought in their backyards rather than ours, both Russia and China are quite adept at hacking and other aspects of cyberwarfare. So while they couldn't, say, launch an assault on NYC, they could turn out the lights and things of that sort.

And, of course, both are nuclear powers. If they felt they had nothing left to lose...

[WinstonSmith4740]

31. Putin won't start a war over this.

A shooting war of any kind would interfere with his cash flow. And he and the former guy are two of a kind...they both love the good life more than their country.

[former9thward]

110. The West will not start a war over this either and everyone knows it.

Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO and will not be.

[Bucky]

38. Agree. Very ballsy, very brinksmanshippy. I think it might be a step too far

It's not a position you can negotiate yourself back from. It will intensify the Second Cold War that we're in right now. Eastern and Central Europe are very dependent on Russian oil and gas pipelines. If they act as a monopsonistic cartel from this point forward, then Russia will be dependent on Europe for oil and gas customers.

I genuinely hope all of Europe is lined up on this point. If I was Estonia right now, I'd be shitting bricks

[Ferryboat]

39. Pretty sure the us government wouldn't approve

Of Russian alliances on our boarder, why would Valid be any different,?

[tritsofme]

107. So you are defending Putin's position, just to be clear?

That the countries who escaped from behind the Iron Curtain have no right to seek alliances that preserve their freedom?

[Ferryboat]

136. Countries that leave the Russian federation have all the rights to do so

Kennedy removed missiles from Turkey to defuse the Cuban missile crisis that the USSR was upset about.

Reagan and Gorbachev reached an agreement that stated NATO wouldn't expand to Russian borders which Clinton ignored. Including former Soviet bloc countries in NATO is poking the bear.

Do u really think our government would be OK with Russian allies up against the southern border? The usa would do what it does best. Overthrow a foreign government and install a more malleable government.

[Brother Buzz]

12. And Joe Biden didn't elbow Zelensky out of the way for the photo op

[Lonestarblue]

13. Oh frabjous day!

“O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.”

Excerpt from Lewis Carroll, Jabberwocky—one of my favorites and such inventive language.

[soldierant]

32. I assume you've seen the French and German translations?

Very clever even if one doesn't speak the languages in question. Not gonna fill up the bandwidth, but the French one begins "Il brilgue" and the German one "Es brillig war" and that should find them handily.

[Tactical Peek]

14. Wait a minute - Blinken says nope.

Link to tweet

Jonathan Lemire
@JonLemire
I just leaned over and asked Secretary of State Blinken -- also waiting for Biden -- if there was an update today on Ukraine joining NATO. He says no, "nothing has changed."

We continue to wait.

[lastlib]

23. sounds like there's an agreement to admit them--

but it hasn't been formalized yet.

[monkeyman1]

15. TFG IS SHITTING ALL OVER HIM SELF ! HOW COOL IS THAT !! MORE DEPEND'S !!

[Midnight Writer]

16. "Nobody is tougher on Russia than Trump"-President Donald J. Trump

I wonder what Joe and Puty Putt will talk about at their meeting?

[Tomconroy]

17. I don't see this story being reported elsewhere.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. Cue Trump claiming this is payoff for not investigating Hunter Biden nt

[Goonch]

21. Bird flips Putin the bird

[KS Toronado]

22. Believe Biden just drew a line in the sand for Putin.

[Johnny2X2X]

26. Sure did

This is a very very big deal, Ukraine being admitted to NATO means an invasion of Ukraine will be met with a military response from all of NATO. Putin has to be steaming mad.

Trump would have fought this tooth and nail.

[sop]

133. Biden was quoted about "drawing red lines with Putin" earlier.

This must be what he was talking about.

[Tactical Peek]

25. The misleading Zelensky tweet merely restates a 2008 NATO commitment

RAGreeneCNN
@RAGreeneCNN
·
12m
Replying to @JonLemire
and
@Yamiche
Zelensky was restating a NATO commitment that has been on the books since 2008. This is NOT new today.






Andrij Dobriansky Flag of UkraineFlag of United States
@tufkaa
·
8m
Replying to @JonLemire
Nearly identical language about Georgia and Ukraine. The promise was made in 2008. This is a reiteration.

[Tomconroy]

27. Yes. The story is inaccurate.

Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO. NATO has always been clear that Ukraine must engage in significant government reforms before an application to NATO would even be considered. The tweet is a bit of a fantasy on the part of Zelensky.

[BigmanPigman]

40. Yes, that is what he said at the press conference.

I read this post and thought I misundersood what Biden said. I planned on getting my ears checked.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

81. No, the DU headline and DU readers are inaccurate. The reporter said ZELENSKY SAID, which is true

There is Zelensky's tweet there.

Reporters write very carefully. She did NOT say Ukraine is joining.

But Brooklynite did NOT READ carefully when writing the OP.

[Tactical Peek]

28. President Biden just said in his NATO speech Ukraine had to clean up corruption

and take other measures to get into the NATO membership action plan.


The OP should be edited to reflect this.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. Article 5 now applies

[Ocelot II]

34. Biden has clarified that Ukraine will be admitted only after certain commitments are met

and if the other members vote to do it. Article 5 doesn't apply in a binding way until Ukraine has been formally admitted, but Biden also said that for now Ukraine will be supported and provided with what they need to resist Russian incursions.

[SheltieLover]

55. Yaaaaaay!

Ty!

[ancianita]

112. It does. And there's really nothing Putin can do about it except be an aggressor.

At the June 2021 Brussels Summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy. course without outside interference.[9] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do:[10]

Each country chooses its own path, and this also applies to joining NATO. It is up to Ukraine and the 30 NATO members to decide whether it aspires to be a member of the Alliance. Russia has no say in whether Ukraine should be a member of the Alliance. They cannot veto the decisions of their neighbors. We will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what to do with smaller ones.

This might sound theoretical, but the support of Ukrainians brings these decisions closer to reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations#Ukraine's_foreign_relations_with_NATO_member_states

[bucolic_frolic]

30. Wow

I didn't realize NATO now includes so many of the eastern European countries

[Historic NY]

33. Well thats a

Хуй тебе!

[Aviation Pro]

36. And a...

..idet tebya mat'.

Take it for granted, that's worse.

[Aviation Pro]

35. Go ahead, you diminutive, fucking criminal

Invade a member of NATO, fuckface.

[BigmanPigman]

37. I misunderstood his speech 100% I guess.

I thought he answered a reporter's question about Ukraine and he said it depends on how they can prove they are or aren't corrupt before Nato welco es them in. He was encouraged but not definate.

I screwed up that press conference royally. I'd better get my hearing checked.

[RegularJam]

48. I think your assessment is correct.

Not your self-assessment

Your assessment of the speech and situation.

[BigmanPigman]

72. Cool, I'll cancel my hearing check-up.

[Effete Snob]

61. You are correct - the OP is false information

People posting unverified crap from social media.

Ukraine has not been admitted to NATO, and that process is not done with the wave of a wand.

The OP is completely false and irresponsible.

[jpak]

41. A BFD and a Big FU to Pootie Poo

Yup

[IronLionZion]

43. Zelensky asked Biden for a clear path to membership

and Putin has already said that's unacceptable. So the headline is not accurate.

Not sure the other NATO members really want war with Russia to protect Ukraine.

https://www.axios.com/ukraine-biden-call-readout-nato-membership-plan-875ddde2-0ef2-481f-aa5f-97c6a36a9c97.html

[Ligyron]

50. Doesn't Russia pretend it's not in eastern Ukraine?

That is just poor maligned Russian speaking citizens (Who can’t tell one plane from another) that are doing this?

If the Ukraine gov were so corrupt, wouldn’t they have jumped at trumps offer?

I need to read up on this, I haven’t been paying attention to that area for a while.

[Klaralven]

97. They are not pretending in Crimea. Russia claims Crimea is Russian.

[mcar]

51. Bwahahaha!

Brilliant move, NATO and Pres. Biden!

[moonscape]

58. This headline isn't correct. Yamiche has

made more accurate tweets since this, one of Jonathan Lemire’s saying Blinken said nothing had changed, i.e. Ukraine status.

[Effete Snob]

60. NO IT HAS NOT - This is flat out irresponsible posting of misinformation

Ukraine has NOT been admitted to NATO.

This is irresponsible misinformation.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/558376-biden-ukraine-must-clean-up-corruption-to-be-admitted-to-nato

"President Biden on Monday said Ukraine must still root out corruption before it can become a full member of the NATO alliance, something Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has pushed for.

"It depends on whether they meet the criteria. The fact is, they still have to clean up corruption. The fact is, they have to meet other criteria to get into the action plan. And so, school’s out on that question. It remains to be seen," Biden said at a press conference at the NATO summit.
"

[Bernardo de La Paz]

82. Yes, the ORIGINAL DU POSTER made an irresponsible headline that does not do justice to the reporter

Zelensky said "...", is what she wrote.

NOT "Ukraine admitted".

Sloppy OP writer, sloppy thread headline which the poster is unlikely to correct as they should.

[Klaralven]

98. Yamiche's paraphrase of Zelensky is inaccurate as well

[Bernardo de La Paz]

99. Nope. Accurate as far as it goes. Ukraine "will be" admitted. OP's headline is REALLY inaccurate

Biden also said Ukraine will be admitted. Just not now. Blinken: "Nothing has changed". That includes the 2008 memo agreeing to begin a process to admit Ukraine, though it has stalled.

[Klaralven]

100. Both brooklynite and Yamiche introduced error as they shortened Zelensky's origianal statement

Zelensky - NATO leaders confirmed that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance & the #MAP is an integral part of the membership process.

Yamiche - President Zelensky of Ukraine says NATO has agreed to admit Ukraine into alliance.

Brooklynite - Ukraine admitted to NATO

It's the old game of "telephone".

[malaise]

69. This is not true n/t

[Shermann]

73. We'd move to DEFCON 4 if it were nt

[Xolodno]

74. Bullshit and its dangerous bullshit.

If there was any inkling that Kyiv would join NATO, Russian tanks would be swarming over them now to prevent it. Add to that, Russia still occupies Crimea and the Donbass plus other area's. So immediately we would be in a WW3 situation. Pretty sure the rest of the NATO members don't want that.

[WarGamer]

75. So the Russian Navy starts docking in Cuba now?

[uponit7771]

79. Hmmmm, looks like it needs to be confirmed

[IronLionZion]

91. Read Yamiche Alcindor's follow up tweets for people getting too excited

Link to tweet

Or find any news stories from anywhere about this juicy world-changing scoop that no one else knows about Come on DUers. We're not freepers here. Defense stocks would go through the roof if it were true.

[Xolodno]

94. Hell, I'd would be trekking it to Cancun, Mexico

...if it was true. It may be hot, but not for too long once the nuclear winter kicks in.

[IronLionZion]

101. You might run into Ted Cancun Cruz

as he always high tails it out of here whenever things get tough.

[Xolodno]

104. Heh..."Hey Ted! Didn't know you were here!

Let me show you this Cenote I came across, yes its real deep with no where to latch on to. *slaps him on the back real hard, hears his screams as he falls* Oh sorry, didn't think I hit you that hard....don't worry, I'll go for help. *walk away, light up a cigar or two*.

[TwilightZone]

95. You should self-delete this post. The headline isn't even remotely true.

[MerryHolidays]

102. OP: Your thread title appears to be flat-out wrong, and has been up for at least 4.5 hours

Could you please at least amend or discuss why you believe it is correct? I struggle to find any news to support this.

Are we missing something?

[Grasswire2]

117. you are correct

And there doesn't seem to be a category in the alerts for misleading information. nt

[Politicub]

103. This post is a good example of why retweets make for shitty DU content.

It’s not true, for one.

[TwilightZone]

106. The re-tweet wasn't actually the problem.

The OP's interpretation of it was.

Unfortunately, this particular poster tends to post and never return, so it'll stay planted on the Greatest Threads page with a completely-false title, 101 recs later.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

108. Not quite

Ukrainian tweet scrambles Biden's press conference

BRUSSELS — Just before President Joe Biden started his news conference Monday, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky tweeted that NATO agreed that his country could join the alliance.

"Commend @NATO partners' understanding of all the risks and challenges we face," he wrote. "NATO leaders confirmed that will become a member of the Alliance."

Biden was inexplicably running late, two hours late, and the tweet suddenly appeared to explain what could be causing a delay.

-snip-

When Biden finally appeared in front of the cameras, he said NATO would stand behind Ukraine's "sovereignty and territorial integrity," but didn't mention the country joining the alliance. It quickly became clear that Ukraine had overstated what happened by not including when the country might be admitted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-tweet-scrambles-biden-s-press-conference/ar-AAL2KMF

[EndlessWire]

109. Ukraine's goal is

to get the Membership Action Plan for 2021 (so I've read.) With that in hand, they would be on the final path to NATO membership. This would provide them with a defense plan with NATO participation. This is what Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the stealing of territory, along with the massing of Russian troops up there along the border, has pushed them to do. They have been trying for decades to join NATO. Russia would then have to think two or three times before sending troops into Ukraine. The public opinion went from something like 29% in favor of NATO membership to somewhere around 68% of the public wanting to join NATO for protection, after they saw what Russia was doing. You can hardly blame them!

Now, with the summit going on, Ukraine is pushing for some kind of public statement or indication that they will get this MAP, for it is critical to their defense. I think that is what was going on there. Certainly, the US is a big member of NATO and has pull, but NATO is made up of member states that have to agree. The scuttle is that they want Ukraine to get a MAP along with Georgia (and, Macedonia?); but, the next step is getting that MAP. So, I don't think they are members yet, but they may have gotten a wink or two by NATO members who want them there. We can't know what has been said behind closed doors. I think once they get that MAP, they will breathe a sigh of relief, because at that point, we will intervene should something bad happen. Ukraine is pushing strongly for membership in NATO. Really, they need it badly.

[orangecrush]

118. But... Democrats don't know how to message!!!

[alfredo]

119. Suck on that Vlad

[ornotna]

120. Fake news

Your headline is 100% bullshit.

[I of the Eye]

121. Sorry, No

Approx 8 hours ago:

[TomWilm]

123. It would be a stupid move anyway - and Biden says it still 'remains to be seen'

- Biden says it 'remains to be seen' whether Ukraine will be admitted to NATO
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-says-it-remains-be-seen-if-ukraine-will-be-n1270807

Forget about Putin. Ukraine is a divided country with historical strong ties going both east and west. A (too simple) explanation of their struggles are, that the EU forced them to chose, and since then there has been a civil war. A full NATO memberships would make the split even worse.

[onetexan]

130. Beg to differ

Even just broaching the topic to get Pudy'shead spinning in a rage is worth tbe mention. Whatever to dig at him &give him stark warning his incursions will be dealt with is deterrent. I do support Ukraine being admitted. About time that evil russian despot needs to be stopped.

[GB_RN]

132. Hey Putin,

Ingest excrement and expire, asshole!

[Marrah_Goodman]

134. The headline is incorrect, but I do hope they get in

The Ukraine needs to be protected from Putins Russia. The Soviets wiped out millions of Ukrainians in the past and have continue to try ( and succeed) at encroaching on their boarders. For those who do not know, the Soviets literally starved millions to death by taking every last bite of food in the Ukraine in 1932-33. Every crust of bread, every seed.

[Carlitos Brigante]

135. Oh, I'm bookmarking this one!!! nt