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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:12 PM Jun 2021

Nicole Just Said That Reporters Who Cover The DOJ Are Duty Bound...

to give a generous interpretation of the actions of the officials. Why? Now I'm a fan of her show, but I disagree with her generosity towards reporters on this. THey are duty bound to tell the truth imo and if they have proof about something they must say so. THat former admin isn't owed any generosity and all these reporters who hem and haw are doing the country no favors. I remember all the times they offered generous words about Barr.

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Nicole Just Said That Reporters Who Cover The DOJ Are Duty Bound... (Original Post) Me. Jun 2021 OP
"...generous interpretation..." is definitely not equal to truth... dchill Jun 2021 #1
Well put and true. benfranklin1776 Jun 2021 #4
washington has learned how to keep the press compliant. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #2
This understanding highlights how incompetent the Trump admin was. RegularJam Jun 2021 #3
By far most of the time, they don't know the full truth or have definitive proof. Hortensis Jun 2021 #5
There Is Certainly Truth In That Me. Jun 2021 #6
As you say. But most often they do not know everything, and they Hortensis Jun 2021 #11
"if Nicolle feels a need to push back": Me. Jun 2021 #12
She identifies as an r Marthe48 Jun 2021 #7
She Identifies As A Former Me. Jun 2021 #13
"But..." was the beginning of her next paragraph Hekate Jun 2021 #8
Thank You For THat Reminder Me. Jun 2021 #14
Assuming the worst interpretation is likely more accurate with MF45's administration. nt wiggs Jun 2021 #9
I guess maybe you can get the girl out of the republi-CON party, calimary Jun 2021 #10
This giant influence narrative that Biden's DoJ is corrupt like Trump's, Hortensis Jun 2021 #15
Quite Me. Jun 2021 #18
Hear, hear! ShazzieB Jun 2021 #22
Looks like someone can't handle the truth Sewa Jun 2021 #23
There was a reference in the OP to 1/2 of what she said. The BUT was left out. Hekate Jun 2021 #26
Without the media.... SergeStorms Jun 2021 #16
"Don't rile up the peasantry" not fooled Jun 2021 #17
Oh hell no! onecaliberal Jun 2021 #19
Are they Reporters, or Influencers? These days it's hard to tell. sop Jun 2021 #20
Reporters And Sources Make Deals All Of The Time DallasNE Jun 2021 #21
And What About Maggie Haberman? Me. Jun 2021 #24
Generous when they only know some of the facts, maybe. Generous when they know the whole story? NO. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2021 #25

dchill

(38,539 posts)
1. "...generous interpretation..." is definitely not equal to truth...
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:16 PM
Jun 2021

...nor is it news. It leans more toward propaganda.

IMO.

"Just gimme some truth..."

Voltaire2

(13,174 posts)
2. washington has learned how to keep the press compliant.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:17 PM
Jun 2021

It is all about access. You get to keep your plush DC assignment because you get access to senior officials in the administration, you get access because you write nice stuff about them.

 

RegularJam

(914 posts)
3. This understanding highlights how incompetent the Trump admin was.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:23 PM
Jun 2021

They should have been the most tight lipped admin in history yet I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an administration leak like that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. By far most of the time, they don't know the full truth or have definitive proof.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:34 PM
Jun 2021

BUT they are rewarded for guessing, interpreting, evaluating and insinuating according to the "themes" (think influence narratives) their employers and/or the shows they're invited to talk on want pushed. Don't cooperate, you don't get invited back.

I remember a Morning Joe/daytime MSNBC regular thinking he could coax the "panel" into stopping pushing a lie about Hillary (he'd clearly gotten fed up with what he was part of). Wrong. He was blackballed that morning from the entire MSNBC lineup. Poof! Gone!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
6. There Is Certainly Truth In That
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:42 PM
Jun 2021

so many people were vouched for along the way, even by former prosecutors who are now talking heads. It was maddening as I remembered him as the man who let all the Iran Contra villains off the hook.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. As you say. But most often they do not know everything, and they
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:51 PM
Jun 2021

absolutely should not report what they don't know and what hasn't been established as true and approved at the editorial level.

Nor should they insinuate, even though "if it bleeds it leads" is as true as ever. That's for Faux News. The journalism's getting pretty piss-yellow, and no doubt slanted, if Nicolle feels a need to push back.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
12. "if Nicolle feels a need to push back":
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:56 PM
Jun 2021

What's interesting is in the last several days (not today obviously as she makes an effort to be 'polite') is that she has done some of that. Who really blew a fuse yesterday was Claire McCaskill. Two journalist members of the panel were being 'generous' and she let loose. I will freely admit it was wonderful to hear.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. She Identifies As A Former
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:58 PM
Jun 2021

and honestly, she can't be faulted with the way she usually treats such subjects. She has become a great advocate for the Dems and truth in government

calimary

(81,500 posts)
10. I guess maybe you can get the girl out of the republi-CON party,
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:50 PM
Jun 2021

but you can’t get the republi-CON party out of the girl.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. This giant influence narrative that Biden's DoJ is corrupt like Trump's,
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:02 PM
Jun 2021

even (whisper it) in collusion, is coming FROM the right and their allies.

And also from the anti-Democratic left, as documented attacks show clearly. Their double-teaming attacks against the Democratic Party's been SOP for years now. That "enemy of my enemy" thing. Lock 'er up!

2015-2016, deja vu all over again.

Sewa

(1,259 posts)
23. Looks like someone can't handle the truth
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:34 PM
Jun 2021

Maybe she’s thinking about the skeletons in the Bush administration closet. 💀🤙

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
26. There was a reference in the OP to 1/2 of what she said. The BUT was left out.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:57 PM
Jun 2021

It’s one thing to never forgive; it’s another thing to misquote.

Cheers.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
16. Without the media....
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jun 2021

Donald Trump is nothing but a crooked real estate developer and unsuccessful entrepreneur. They made him president. All the free airtime they gave him so he could peddle his hate, xenophobia, racism, misogyny and the lies, oh, the LIES!

So yeah, the media doesn't owe MF45 anything. NOT ONE SINGLE THING.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
21. Reporters And Sources Make Deals All Of The Time
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:22 PM
Jun 2021

Last edited Tue Jun 15, 2021, 06:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Sometimes it is an official simply floating a trial balloon. As long as it is properly reported, no big deal. But there are serious consequences when a reporter gets to cozy with a source as that can dramatically affect their career and I am thinking of Judith Miller of NYT, who saw her career take a major hit for using "generous interpretations". A good reporter will ask follow-up questions looking for holes in what they are being told. Also, the rule of once bitten, twice shy would come into place between reporter and source. The relationship is complex, in other words.

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