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How is it the the full Mueller report hasn't been leaked. (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2021 OP
Because they don't want to go to jail? Ocelot II Jun 2021 #1
Pentagon papers case dawg day Jun 2021 #11
THIS n/t malaise Jun 2021 #23
And maybe they think properly investigating and successfully prosecuting the wrongdoing StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #13
Hunh? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #2
Huh. Usually and I say that lightly in today's day and age, boston bean Jun 2021 #5
You know it's not the press at least, right StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #6
Obviously they have real sucky sources. boston bean Jun 2021 #14
As I said ... "Hunh?" StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #22
The press is fucking weak. Or Trumpass has them all running scared. boston bean Jun 2021 #29
Why hasn't the Attorney General released it to the public? comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #3
There are very good reasons StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #8
Are there any prosecutions on the horizon related to comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #9
You not having heard of upcoming prosecutions does not mean they don't exist. StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #12
I'm supposed to take this all on faith? comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #16
My response as well. Seems like a court filing sometime someplace might have hinted at such, eh? triron Jun 2021 #19
At this point, yes StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #24
So all you have is evidence free speculation. comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #33
We are both speculating StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #35
I'm thinking that the Trump rot goes SO DEEP that they are digging into the investigation that flying_wahini Jun 2021 #4
Oh, you think just because the American taxpayer paid for the investigation . . . gratuitous Jun 2021 #7
You think that, as an American taxpayer, you have a right to see every government document produced StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #10
Real time? gratuitous Jun 2021 #18
Yes, real time StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #28
Lol that's not how leaks work generally. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #15
No, the press doesn't work sources? boston bean Jun 2021 #17
They work sources all the time. Doesn't mean you get anything. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #31
This whole thread is very illustrative of a lot of things StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #25
It is INDEED. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #32
What things. boston bean Jun 2021 #34
Perhaps there's some secret shit in there. Calista241 Jun 2021 #20
It's more important for the average American to know exactly what's in the report right now StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #26
It's kinda like the great mystery of Fitzmas Blue Owl Jun 2021 #21
Actually, it's nothing like it. StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #27
At Fitzmas, wasn't there a sealed indictment that was never released? Blue Owl Jun 2021 #30
Time for another dossier to get things moving! Baked Potato Jun 2021 #36
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
13. And maybe they think properly investigating and successfully prosecuting the wrongdoing
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:00 PM
Jun 2021

the report likely points to is far more important than satisfying the short-term curiosity of people who really have no need to know what's in the report at this very moment other than to assuage their own impatience.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
5. Huh. Usually and I say that lightly in today's day and age,
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:38 PM
Jun 2021

Leaks to press is what caused change in politics.

And the media chases these.

What the hell is wrong with the press.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. You know it's not the press at least, right
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:40 PM
Jun 2021

They don't possess or provide leaked information. So, why are you blaming them if Biden's administration does not leak?

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
29. The press is fucking weak. Or Trumpass has them all running scared.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:55 PM
Jun 2021

I have been flummoxed it wasn’t leaked two years ago.

comradebillyboy

(10,175 posts)
3. Why hasn't the Attorney General released it to the public?
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:24 PM
Jun 2021

The press shouldn't have to resort to espionage to obtain information should they?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
8. There are very good reasons
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:45 PM
Jun 2021

First and foremost that the report contains information that's highly sensitive and needed for the investigation and, if released, could jeopardize the investigation and ability to obtain indictments and convictions.

What value is added by releasing the report today vs. in a week or a month or two months?

And is that value strong and sufficient enough to outweigh any downside to releasing them now instead of in a few months from now - e.g., compromising sensitive investigations, alerting the subjects of those investigations to what information prosecutors have and strategies they may use, giving potential defendants advance ammunition to fight indictment and prosecutions?

There's nothing in that report that I need to see right now if releasing it in any way jeopardizes prosecutions and convictions. The only value to getting it out now is to satisfy my curiosity, which certainly doesn't outweigh the importance of obtaining justice in the end

comradebillyboy

(10,175 posts)
9. Are there any prosecutions on the horizon related to
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:52 PM
Jun 2021

the Mueller report? I surely haven't heard of any. I thought it was pretty much a dead letter at this stage.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
12. You not having heard of upcoming prosecutions does not mean they don't exist.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:56 PM
Jun 2021

And the prosecutions don't have to be directly related to Mueller's investigations - the report could nevertheless have information relevant to other investigations.

triron

(22,020 posts)
19. My response as well. Seems like a court filing sometime someplace might have hinted at such, eh?
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:18 PM
Jun 2021

Thus far zilch.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
24. At this point, yes
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:32 PM
Jun 2021

You are not owed a blow-by-blow update at this point - especially if doing so could possibly undermine the investigation.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
35. We are both speculating
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 06:29 PM
Jun 2021

I am basing my speculation on first hand knowledge of how criminal investigations and prosecutions work in and out of government and am giving the Biden Administration the benefit of the doubt founded on that knowledge combined with my belief that the Democratic president and his appointees are committed to doing what's right for the country.

You, on the other hand, are speculating that the Attorney General is hiding something, and, therefore, by definition, suggesting that he is complicit and corrupt.

flying_wahini

(6,651 posts)
4. I'm thinking that the Trump rot goes SO DEEP that they are digging into the investigation that
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:34 PM
Jun 2021

Has no bottom. That it is WAY worse than they originally thought. IMO.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Oh, you think just because the American taxpayer paid for the investigation . . .
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jun 2021

That we're entitled to see the report?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
10. You think that, as an American taxpayer, you have a right to see every government document produced
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 04:54 PM
Jun 2021

with tax dollars and to see it in real time, regardless the consequencea?

Interesting

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
28. Yes, real time
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:40 PM
Jun 2021

Since the Biden Administration only got access to it a few months ago and the information therein is probably still the subject and source of current ongoing investigations, this is definitely " real time."

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,442 posts)
31. They work sources all the time. Doesn't mean you get anything.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 06:14 PM
Jun 2021

And whether you get something or not doesn't necessarily correlate with your "skill" of working your sources.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
20. Perhaps there's some secret shit in there.
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:18 PM
Jun 2021

And people in our DOJ don't want to broadcast to everyone how we collect information on our adversaries, or perhaps put people actual lives in danger.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. It's more important for the average American to know exactly what's in the report right now
Tue Jun 15, 2021, 05:37 PM
Jun 2021

than to protect methods and sources or to try to ensure the investigation isn't undermined and that it results in successful prosecutions.

Who cares if, in the long run, disclosure screws that up? Curiosity must be satisfied RIGHT NOW!

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