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gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 06:46 AM Jun 2021

Sheldon Whitehouse

Sheldon Whitehouse was on cable last night. Remember one of the threads posted here asking who was behind Trump, who was behind the GQP? The thread asked, someone has to be the brains behind what is going on.

Whitehouse explained it all last night; Dark Money. Dark Money doesn't want S1 passed not because it would allow open and free voting, Dark Money doesn't want S1 passed because it would regulate Dark Money. Whitehouse stated who Dark Money was, it is the Federalist Society, The Heritage Foundation, ALEC. Whitehouse explained it used to be Big tobacco, but now it is Big Oil and Gas. Oil and Gas doesn't want climate regulations. It is the Koch brothers, it is other wealthy individuals who hide in the shadows who don't want S1 passed because it would shine a light on them.

Whitehouse stated that it is the Heritage Foundation and ALEC who are writing up the voter suppression bills being passed in the states.

What to do? Shine a light on the cockroaches, shine a light on politicians who are taking their money. Get Dark money out of politics, pass S1 whatever it takes.

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Sheldon Whitehouse (Original Post) gab13by13 Jun 2021 OP
Whitehouse is one smart cookie.. HUAJIAO Jun 2021 #1
He has been rocking it. Courageously speaking truth to power. JudyM Jun 2021 #27
agreed lookyhereyou Jun 2021 #2
Whitehouse makes a lot of sense. gab13by13 Jun 2021 #3
The Koch brothers have been running this country with their money for way to long. KS Toronado Jun 2021 #4
That's it not fooled Jun 2021 #31
Here's the short list of common household products the evil Koch companies make: OMGWTF Jun 2021 #35
Get money out of politics. Period. SergeStorms Jun 2021 #5
You made me think about this gab13by13 Jun 2021 #7
It's a start. SergeStorms Jun 2021 #10
This Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #11
+ Infinity Kid Berwyn Jun 2021 #9
Getting money out of politics means StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #12
You need to get the media out of politics, also. erronis Jun 2021 #17
+1!!! Dustlawyer Jun 2021 #32
I believe this is the best explanation for Manchin's intransigence on this issue. bullwinkle428 Jun 2021 #6
See my post above yours. gab13by13 Jun 2021 #8
So Whitehouse understands the big road block to S1 gab13by13 Jun 2021 #13
⬆︎ THIS ⬆︎ Auggie Jun 2021 #18
Two scary books (better than Stephen King): Gaugamela Jun 2021 #14
When have we heard this before? Eyeball_Kid Jun 2021 #15
I saw that and have to agree. Since the one brother died, the other has been vewwwy quiet. Frustratedlady Jun 2021 #16
Dark Money explains Manchin's behavior dlk Jun 2021 #19
So it's not just Putin? Makes sense our own oligarchs would be working behind the scenes to jalan48 Jun 2021 #20
k/r recommended msfiddlestix Jun 2021 #21
In order to defeat "Dark Money"..we will have to defeat..."DARK MONEY" Stuart G Jun 2021 #22
Very important Wild blueberry Jun 2021 #23
More Whitehouse less Manchin and Sinema RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2021 #24
Dark money really is the "root of all evil" when it comes to modern politics. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #25
Explains why the bills are similar: conservative foundations write and distribute them to allies andym Jun 2021 #26
He's right, of course. GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #28
Yes, but he is saying it out loud and clearly. Not the KPN Jun 2021 #37
Sheldon should avoid flying in small airplanes. LT Barclay Jun 2021 #29
This was posted before here dweller Jun 2021 #30
thanks for this. i'm not sure i saw it before and don't have time to watch it now orleans Jun 2021 #38
It is the Koch brothers ... Jopin Klobe Jun 2021 #33
You Can Tell When Dark Money is Writing the Bills. dem in texas Jun 2021 #34
I really like Whitehouse. The guy is clear and KPN Jun 2021 #36
Any public official The Wizard Jun 2021 #39
I keep thinking back to president Obama's gab13by13 Jun 2021 #40
Is an important discussion. Here's the link to his appearance on the ReidOut: Mersky Jun 2021 #41
Sounds like he scared some people n/m BradAllison Jun 2021 #42

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
3. Whitehouse makes a lot of sense.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:10 AM
Jun 2021

The fight to stop S1 isn't mainly about disenfranchising voters and rigging elections, it is about keeping politicians in the pockets of wealthy donors. No one other than Whitehouse has been talking about this. (very much).

Whitehouse says it used to be Big Tobacco and I remember when John Boehner passed out tobacco checks to Republicans on the floor of the House. Now it is mainly Big Oil and gas interests who own politicians. S1 will make it very hard for super rich people and corporations and organizations to buy off politicians. S1 will have to force politicians to represent their constituents instead of their sugar daddies.

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
4. The Koch brothers have been running this country with their money for way to long.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:11 AM
Jun 2021

Wish we could make groups like ALEC illegal, who's only goals are power & money.
To them the almighty dollar belongs only to the privileged few.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
31. That's it
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 02:17 PM
Jun 2021

I wish this got more coverage--the 666koch(s)666 really are running the country.

Hope history serves these assholes their just desserts.

OMGWTF

(3,959 posts)
35. Here's the short list of common household products the evil Koch companies make:
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 04:08 PM
Jun 2021

Use it and share it widely --

KOCH BROTHERS PRODUCTS TO BOYCOTT:

American Greetings Cards
Angel Soft toilet paper
Brawny paper towels
Dixie plates, bowls, napkins and cups
Mardi Gras napkins and towels
Quilted Northern toilet paper
Soft ‘n Gentle toilet paper
Sparkle napkins
Vanity fair napkins
Zee napkins
Georgia-Pacific paper products and envelopes
Lycra
Stainmaster Carpet

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
5. Get money out of politics. Period.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:14 AM
Jun 2021

Have federally funded elections on every Congressional level. Every candidate running for every Congressional office gets a certain amount of money and that's it!

We have to get Congress to work for the American people again, not the highest bidder. Members of Congress have to stop campaigning for money and start campaigning on ideas. 75% of Congressional members time is spent fundraising. That has to stop.

We need to get the greed merchants out of politics, and have civic minded people running our government again. They are our employees. Work for us. If they want to feather their nests after they're out of public service, fine. But no more getting into politics for their own enrichment. That has to stop.

Get the damned money out of politics. Period.

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
7. You made me think about this
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:21 AM
Jun 2021

For a first step, why don't Democrats take out the part of S1 that deals with dark money and vote on it as a stand alone bill. I understand that S1 still needs to be passed. I don't suspect that the GQP will be shamed into voting for the dark money stand alone bill but it would sure show where politicians priorities lie.

What do you think?

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
10. It's a start.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:33 AM
Jun 2021

Getting the money out of politics is going to be the hardest thing the citizens of the U.S. could ever do. Universal healthcare? That would be a walk in the park compared to stopping the money conveyor belt.

But yes, there has to be a first step, and showing the American people where republican's allegiance lies is a good first step. Thanks for thinking about this.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
12. Getting money out of politics means
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:44 AM
Jun 2021

we as voters and consumers of information must do a better job of paying attention and discerning fact from fiction.

The money is all powerful because it pays for ads and other information sources that too many of us swallow uncritically. Until we take more control of how we digest what we see and hear, the money will always have the upper hand.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
17. You need to get the media out of politics, also.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jun 2021

Big money buys big media spends. And we all know that the media is perfectly happy to manipulate messages for money.

I believe some countries forbid advertising on national elections and have a very limited time for candidates to explain their platforms. No room for showboating and histrionics (what would djt do?).

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
13. So Whitehouse understands the big road block to S1
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jun 2021

why don't Democratic politicians push this narrative? Voter suppression and putting the GQP in charge of elections are serious issues to fight, but voters understand politicians taking money, understand bribery, understand that their representatives aren't really representing them. We need a push to bring the dark money part of S1 before the camera. I understand that the MSM is right wing so Democrats need to force reporters to ask Congressmen their positions on dark money. Get enough of them to claim they are against it and then bring that part of S1 up as a stand alone bill.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
14. Two scary books (better than Stephen King):
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 09:16 AM
Jun 2021

Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right, by Jane Meyers

https://smile.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0307947904/ref=sr_1_1?crid=6ZMRTRZIK2TE&dchild=1&keywords=jane+meyers&qid=1623848531&s=books&sprefix=Jane+me%2Cstripbooks%2C275&sr=1-1

Shadow Network: Media, Money, and the Secret Hub of the Radical Right, by Anne Nelson

https://smile.amazon.com/Shadow-Network-Media-Secret-Radical/dp/163557319X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LJ9PVG6DNI9F&dchild=1&keywords=shadow+network+anne+nelson&qid=1623848771&s=books&sprefix=Shadow+Net%2Cstripbooks%2C247&sr=1-1


It’s not just the walking dead Trumpanzees. There is an organization and money behind it. It’s the walking dead faux Christians and their billionaire keepers.


Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
15. When have we heard this before?
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 09:20 AM
Jun 2021

Whitehouse is referring to “the marriage of big government to big business.”

It is Mussolini’s definition of FASCISM.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
16. I saw that and have to agree. Since the one brother died, the other has been vewwwy quiet.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 09:37 AM
Jun 2021

However, they already had all their nasty ideas set up and working...ranging from turning minds in college classes to writing legislation. The web is so huge, I don't know how you can get rid of it.

Our mistake was we took our eyes off the Koch bros. way too soon.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
20. So it's not just Putin? Makes sense our own oligarchs would be working behind the scenes to
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jun 2021

undermine our democracy to benefit themselves.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
22. In order to defeat "Dark Money"..we will have to defeat..."DARK MONEY"
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jun 2021

...Dark Money has been in politics a very long time...How do you defeat it when it helps to control
politics in most ways.....Dark Money is in politics right now, as this is written.

.....So, how do we defeat it, when it is partly in control of politics right now?,,,............

......Do you think that ."..Dark Money.." will fight to defeat any laws that are specific and totally
......against "Dark Money?".....The answer to that question is...YES, YES, YES, AND YES...!!!!

Wild blueberry

(6,636 posts)
23. Very important
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jun 2021

Wisconsin has been ravaged by Dark Money: Wanker, corrupt "Supreme" Court, ALEC bills up the wazoo, and fuckwit RepuliQan legislators to pass them.

Our voting rights, teachers, natural resources, and just about everything that makes life worth living and fighting for have been ravaged.

In 2016 our tiny rural town voted 91% for a constitutional amendment that corporations are not people and money is not speech, even as they voted for Dumpy. We need the 28th Amendment!

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
25. Dark money really is the "root of all evil" when it comes to modern politics.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jun 2021

Its adepts work on the old business premise - that you have to spend money if you want to print money.

On a different note; Senator Whitehouse really was destined for a life in politics, wasn't he?

It's a wonder Rudy hasn't tried to book him as a venue for a press conference.

andym

(5,444 posts)
26. Explains why the bills are similar: conservative foundations write and distribute them to allies
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jun 2021

Voting suppression is just the latest manifestation of the capability of certain conservative foundations/"think tanks" to have overbearing influence over America's body politic.

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
28. He's right, of course.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 12:57 PM
Jun 2021

But this isn't new news, or shouldn't be, amongst Democrats. We've known about dark money, the Kochs, ALEC, Heritage, etc. for a long time. Problem is there are so many voters who have no idea of these things. I run into them all the time.

Sorry to seem like Captain Obvious, but more voters need to be aware of the dark money process so we can take back the state legislatures to stop them. I was glad to hear Sheldon Whitehouse talking about it last night but dark money is rarely mentioned in MSM networks CNN and MSNBC.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
37. Yes, but he is saying it out loud and clearly. Not the
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 04:13 PM
Jun 2021

first, but certainly is making the point more and clearly visible.

orleans

(34,060 posts)
38. thanks for this. i'm not sure i saw it before and don't have time to watch it now
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 04:13 PM
Jun 2021

but i will tonight. (sent myself a permalink to your post)

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
33. It is the Koch brothers ...
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jun 2021

... it is other slimy vermin who hide in the shadows who don't want S1 passed because it would shine a light on them ...

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
34. You Can Tell When Dark Money is Writing the Bills.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 04:07 PM
Jun 2021

You can tell when a conservative organization with lots of money is behind a new state law. The Republican controlled state legislatures start trying to pass the same type of bill. Sometimes they even use the same wording written for them by the Conservative Think Tank. Remember ALEC?

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
39. Any public official
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 04:25 PM
Jun 2021

with an offshore money laundry account should be summarily jailed until they can give a valid explanation for their money laundering.

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
40. I keep thinking back to president Obama's
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 04:51 PM
Jun 2021

state of the union when he said that Citizen's United would open up a flood gate of dark money into politics and the camera caught Alito mouthing "not true."

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
41. Is an important discussion. Here's the link to his appearance on the ReidOut:
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 09:41 PM
Jun 2021
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/watch/conservative-groups-waging-war-on-progressive-policies-slammed-by-sen-sheldon-whitehouse-114862149549

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As someone living under the obvious fascist, Gov. Grabbit, in Texas, I wish more folks understood the power that dark money groups hold over them.



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