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Nicely done Hillary! (Original Post) imanamerican63 Jun 2021 OP
Well... Mike Nelson Jun 2021 #1
Yeah, but mnhtnbb Jun 2021 #3
Absolutely agree. I often think of what might have been. Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #4
I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER forgive Comey for that. calimary Jun 2021 #8
So true (about the pandemic playbook and CDC funding) LisaM Jun 2021 #11
I remember that, too, and it still makes me mad. calimary Jun 2021 #17
+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #18
Appropriate. triron Jun 2021 #24
It's like Orange Maggot put up a confederate BootinUp Jun 2021 #23
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #27
Totally AGREE ! polmaven Jun 2021 #2
Putin wouldn't have pushed around Hillary like he did cuckold Donnie. Pepsidog Jun 2021 #5
I agree! She was (and is) wonderful! LaMouffette Jun 2021 #6
Indeed, and did it by treasonous acts with Russia and perhaps other rogue states as well. triron Jun 2021 #13
I agree. Many Americans are too busy watching their favorite TV shows to pay attention LaMouffette Jun 2021 #15
You are right about this. I sometimes forget how much time I have (retired) now to pay attention. triron Jun 2021 #16
Exactly! It is definitely part of their strategy, as is defunding education. LaMouffette Jun 2021 #21
I really do hope she's enjoying her life. Corgigal Jun 2021 #7
She really was amazing!!! secondwind Jun 2021 #9
we have people within our own country who are doing Putin's work." LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #10
Thanks. How awesomely knowledgeable she is! triron Jun 2021 #14
Love it. Love her. K&R nt RegularJam Jun 2021 #12
K&R betsuni Jun 2021 #19
On a related note: 11 Bravo Jun 2021 #20
Sarandon is partly responsible for Trump's 2016 victory. A 4 year oasis Jun 2021 #22
This can never be said too many times. betsuni Jun 2021 #26
Video- Hillary Clinton: Putin Needs To Understand The U.S. Is Back - MSNBC Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #25

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
1. Well...
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:47 AM
Jun 2021

... saw the whole interview... incredible. Hillary Clinton is probably the most knowledgeable and articulate politician I've ever seen...

mnhtnbb

(31,394 posts)
3. Yeah, but
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 09:01 AM
Jun 2021

Trump had a tiny little dick so he was clearly more qualified to be POTUS.

On edit, I guess I should include

The misogyny and racism in this country has really affected me in the last few years. I knew we had a lot of ignorant and proud of it right wingers all across the country, but I have to say that I really didn't think there were enough of them to see a candidate who was so clearly one of the most qualified people to ever run for President defeated by someone who was so clearly not qualified and-- as it turned out--motivated to destroy our democratic form of government.

It's not enough, either, that Biden won. Republicans are out to make sure they are the ones who count the votes next time. If they aren't stopped from making these changes to how elections are run, we're in a heap of trouble.

Lonestarblue

(10,013 posts)
4. Absolutely agree. I often think of what might have been.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:30 AM
Jun 2021

Had Hillary become president instead of Trump, she would not have corrupted the DOJ. She would not have tried to bribe a foreign leader to create dirt on an opponent. She would not have started a war with the press—in spite of how badly the press has treated her over the years. And, perhaps most importantly, she would have not fired the US epidemiologists embedded in China or cut off the $200 million that supported early warning scientists in China, all of whom had to leave with no budget. Nor would she have rejected the Obama administration’s pandemic playbook or turned the CDC into a political organization. We cannot know how many lives would have been saved with Hillary as president, bu I believe the number would be in the hundreds of thousands.

So sad, and mostly because the press and Jim Comey did a hatchet job on her. Add in rampant misogyny, and the result was Trump as president—a truly colossal stain on democracy and our history from which we may never recover because of the corruption and backward attitudes he unleashed to become the new normal.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
8. I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER forgive Comey for that.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:49 AM
Jun 2021

Not EVER.

Everything bad that’s happened involving trump taking our White House and what that schmuck did: our up-ended traditions and our withered strength and our trashed character and our damaged integrity - AND our totally compromised national security - for four long miserable years routes back directly through him. And his big mouth. And his incredibly poor timing with his final stink bomb so close to the election, when she was leading and on track to win.

You will live the rest of your pathetic miserable life unforgiven, and cursed, Jim Comey. You fucking big-mouth traitor-bastard.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
11. So true (about the pandemic playbook and CDC funding)
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 11:35 AM
Jun 2021

Kinda reminds me how the Clinton administration told 43 that Osama bin Ladin would be their worst problem and left a detailed airline security study that they'd commissioned which, if it had been followed, would have prevented 9/11.

I think I can say with confidence that, had Gore been permitted to take the office he won, 9/11 would not have happened, considering that he led the commission and the report was called something like the Gore Commission on Airline Security. The Bush administration ignored both the warning and the report (a number of months after 9/11, I did hear the report referred to on a news magazine show and they never mentioned Gore at all, which still makes me mad).

Ironic.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
17. I remember that, too, and it still makes me mad.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jun 2021

The bush/cheney jerks arrived with this smug attitude of “the adults are back in charge.” (That was mostly cheney.)

And I remember the yowling about how the Clintons had trashed the White House on their way out, and damaged all the keyboards by removing the “w” key.
Only later was it conceded that none of it was true.

Damn that made me mad! Still does.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
27. +1000
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 05:36 AM
Jun 2021

It's almost too depressing for me to contemplate. Sometimes I just want to throw my hands in the air and give up.

polmaven

(9,463 posts)
2. Totally AGREE !
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:55 AM
Jun 2021

She said what we have all been thinking recently, and I was very proud to have campaigned and voted for her in 2016! She is one VERY smart woman...!!!

LaMouffette

(2,036 posts)
6. I agree! She was (and is) wonderful!
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jun 2021

I only wish someone on the Morning Joe panel had pointed out the irony of the Big Lie: Trump claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him, when the truth is that Trump himself is the supreme election stealer of all time for what he and his minions did to defeat Hillary in 2016.

triron

(22,007 posts)
13. Indeed, and did it by treasonous acts with Russia and perhaps other rogue states as well.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 12:50 PM
Jun 2021

Our country was severely fucked up and fucked with and Americans will remain mostly blind.

LaMouffette

(2,036 posts)
15. I agree. Many Americans are too busy watching their favorite TV shows to pay attention
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 01:03 PM
Jun 2021

to their country being jerked right out from underneath them.

To be fair, they're also too busy working to keep their heads above water, raising their children, and taking care of their aging parents, etc., to have any time to pay attention to national and global issues.

But I really do blame cable TV and the internet for a lot of the division in our country. I know that's kind of like blaming mass shootings on video games, which I don't think is true, but when we don't get our information from the same, hopefully-for-the-most-part impartial, sources, we are just ripe for divisive propaganda.

triron

(22,007 posts)
16. You are right about this. I sometimes forget how much time I have (retired) now to pay attention.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 01:18 PM
Jun 2021

Keeping people in a state of struggling to survive and live decent lives is sadly part of the strategy
of the powerful (and has been for ages). Not all of the powerful but enough to accomplish this.

LaMouffette

(2,036 posts)
21. Exactly! It is definitely part of their strategy, as is defunding education.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:22 PM
Jun 2021

Just today I was reading online about differences between blue states and red states in funding education. Spoiler alert: Blue states spend significantly more on education and have better educated citizens. Big surprise, huh?

This is from a 2008 paper called One state, two state, red state, blue state: Education funding accounts for outcome
differences.


School funding is a politicized issue that impacts all citizens of the United States. Using
publically available data, the current study compared per-student spending in states that
voted democratic in the 2004 presidential election (often referred to as “blue” states by
the media) with states that voted republican in the 2004 presidential election (referred to
as “red” states by the media). Differences in attitudes towards educational spending are
reflected in the platforms of these two parties, with the democrats focusing on the need
to provide educational services, and the republicans stressing the need for accountability
and measurement of outcomes. Therefore, it was hypothesized that per-student
spending would be higher in blue states than in red. In addition, educational outcome
measures were compared between the two groups of states. It was hypothesized that
the higher per-student spending in blue states would be reflected in higher scores on
measures of academic outcomes. . . .

Conclusions

The findings reported support the hypotheses of the study. First, states that were coded
as blue based upon results from the 2004 presidential election were significantly higher
in education funding than were states coded as red. Students in blue states scored
significantly higher on outcome measures of math and reading in grades four and eight
than did students in red states. The difference in per-student funding accounted for the
significantly higher performance on outcome measures.


[link:https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED503486.pdf|

This is why the GOP is so intent on defunding public education. They like 'em (voters) dumb.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
7. I really do hope she's enjoying her life.
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jun 2021

With her daughter, and grandchildren. I saw her hubby just wrote a book.

She looks satisfied with her life. I wish her well.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
22. Sarandon is partly responsible for Trump's 2016 victory. A 4 year
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 10:27 PM
Jun 2021

disaster followed with more to come.

Rhiannon12866

(205,535 posts)
25. Video- Hillary Clinton: Putin Needs To Understand The U.S. Is Back - MSNBC
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 02:58 AM
Jun 2021


Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says Russian President Vladimir Putin must understand the U.S. is back. Aired on 06/16/2021.


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