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Justice Dept. sends letter to Missouri governor, says state can't void federal gun laws (Original Post) diehardblue Jun 2021 OP
I Wondered About That Me. Jun 2021 #1
Good. Our governor is almost as bad as Trump. nt leftyladyfrommo Jun 2021 #2
He is the worst jonstl08 Jun 2021 #4
Texas has entered the chat. Hold my beer. Comfortably_Numb Jun 2021 #11
File under duh. sarisataka Jun 2021 #3
Questions about the law Hardhead1234 Jun 2021 #5
Whataboutisms are frowned on here Fullduplexxx Jun 2021 #6
Maybe so, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2021 #8
Thx for clarifying Hardhead1234 Jun 2021 #10
My pleasure. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2021 #12
Dont get me wrong I'm ok with whataboutisms Fullduplexxx Jun 2021 #14
I fully understand what you were alluding to, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2021 #15
Exactly. TomSlick Jun 2021 #18
Especially uncomfortable ones sarisataka Jun 2021 #9
I agree and I think whataboutisms are usually valid points Fullduplexxx Jun 2021 #13
We are on the same page sarisataka Jun 2021 #16
Noticed that, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2021 #17
My Take On This ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #19
A state cannot nullify a Fed. law, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2021 #7

jonstl08

(412 posts)
4. He is the worst
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 10:43 AM
Jun 2021

Parsons is the worst. Cannot believe he was elected again. Feel the citizens of my state have a screw loose.

sarisataka

(18,684 posts)
3. File under duh.
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 10:40 AM
Jun 2021

Like Federal drug or immigration laws, localities can say they will not assist in enforcement but they cannot declare them null.

Hardhead1234

(2 posts)
5. Questions about the law
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 10:43 AM
Jun 2021

While I agree that states should not be able to disregard federal law how is what Missouri is doing any different than states that have passed recreational marijuana laws? I realize they are specifically banning police from enforcing federal law in this case but isn't legalizing recreational marijuana at the state level the same thing but done a different way. And yes marijuana should be legalized federally. Just trying understand the difference legally.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,419 posts)
8. Maybe so,
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 10:56 AM
Jun 2021

but the analogy is correct, if states can ignore immigration laws, marijauana laws, then states can refuse to enforce Fed. firearm laws by not providing any resources to the Feds, like facilities, personnel, etc, they just can't interfere in the enforcement of those laws by the Feds.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,419 posts)
15. I fully understand what you were alluding to,
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 11:12 AM
Jun 2021

and sorry if I came across as negative towards your post, I was just clarifying what states can and cannot do in regards to Fed. laws.

sarisataka

(18,684 posts)
9. Especially uncomfortable ones
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jun 2021

Although I expect this is a one post wonder, the question is valid.

If a state can invalidate Federal law A, why cannot another state invalidate Federal law B. Or if the first state is sanctioned for interference with Federal law enforcement should the other state be sanctioned?

The specific law is not relevant to the setting of precedent.

sarisataka

(18,684 posts)
16. We are on the same page
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 11:24 AM
Jun 2021

Often people will cry whataboutism because they know they can't honestly answer the question without admitting bias and/or hypocrisy.

ProfessorGAC

(65,093 posts)
19. My Take On This
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 06:38 PM
Jun 2021

I think the bulk of the intent of federal laws focus on the interstate transport and illegal importation.
Yes, there are possession & small scale sales laws, but they barely enforced those.
They left that to the states already.
If a state decided to no longer consider that a crime, they were already leaving that to them. Nothing has really changed.
But, unless those guns were made in MO, interstate commerce has already occurred.
It's automatically no longer just a local affair.
With the states that legalized pit, they still can't ship surpluses out of state. I know this because of our prices here in Illinois! Lol! Look up the exact same product online from a pot store in California and the price is 40% tops. Their supply more than matches demand. Not so much here!
So, that industry has no inherent interstate commerce of direct interest to the fed.
That may not be a true legal distinction, but I think it's a practical one.
Lastly, having guns in the wrong hands presents a risk to the general public. Selling pot where the people voted to legalize means nobody really cares. The public risk is minimal to nonexistent.
Public safety & inherent interstate commerce seem to make the difference.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,419 posts)
7. A state cannot nullify a Fed. law,
Thu Jun 17, 2021, 10:51 AM
Jun 2021

but they can deny the Feds any state, local resources, ie: facilities, personnel, etc.
What they can't do in interfere in the enforcement of those laws by the Feds.

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