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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 05:42 PM Jun 2021

I would wager, the building collapse in Miami is the latest canary in the coalmine

Last edited Thu Jun 24, 2021, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)

in regards to global warming climate change.



August 8, 2019 at 8:00 a.m. CDT

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“King tides” have been taking a toll on Miami for a number of years, and the phenomenon is only getting worse because of sea-level rise from human-induced climate change. A king tide is a higher -than-normal tide caused by specific alignments of the sun and moon.

Miami set daily high tide records for more than a week straight for the period bridging late July and early August, despite a total lack of storminess in the region.

Sunny day coastal flooding is now routine, submerging some areas on a monthly basis when the sun and moon line up just right. There’s even a “king tide season” in the late fall and early winter, when the flooding is particularly severe.

“Under a full or new moon, the tide becomes so elevated that combined with sea-level rise the water filters through the drains flooding the streets of downtown Miami,” Irene Sans, a meteorologist at WFTV in Central Florida, said in a Twitter message. The worst flooding occurs in September, October and November. Earth makes its closest pass to the sun in early January. That gravitational effect, coupled with the positioning of key weather systems in the fall, exacerbates king tide flooding during the autumn.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/08/analysis-sea-level-rise-is-combining-with-other-factors-regularly-flood-miami/



FWIW, we had a full moon starting at 11:40 AM this morning.

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mitch96

(13,907 posts)
8. After living in So Fla I see owning waterfront property down there is like musical chairs
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 08:35 PM
Jun 2021

Waterfront real estate will continue to be bought and sold until the property is worthless. You don't want to be the last person owning said waterfront land when the wave crash over Miami beach into the intercostal waterway... Music stops and you have no chair...
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Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
9. Florida land boom of the 1920s
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 10:46 PM
Jun 2021

The Florida land boom of the 1920s was Florida's first real estate bubble, which burst in 1925. The land boom left behind entire new cities, such as Coral Gables, Hialeah, Miami Springs, Opa-locka, Miami Shores, and Hollywood. It also left behind the remains of failed development projects such as Aladdin City in south Miami-Dade County, Fulford-by-the-Sea in what is now North Miami Beach, Miami's Isola di Lolando in north Biscayne Bay, Boca Raton, as it had originally been planned, Okeelanta in western Palm Beach County, and Palm Beach Ocean just north of the Town of Palm Beach. The land boom shaped Florida's future for decades and created entire new cities out of the Everglades land that remain today. The story includes many parallels to the real estate boom of the 2000s, including the forces of outside speculators, easy credit access for buyers, and rapidly appreciating property values.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_land_boom_of_the_1920s

You can't go wrong speculating in Florida swampland.

mitch96

(13,907 posts)
11. Yup, the last boom found lots of "new wealth" south americans buying condos on spec..
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 08:00 AM
Jun 2021

When their country's wealth went down the tubes they just walked away.. Left Brickell Ave a ghost town... My old man caught the bug when they were selling hotel rooms as "condos"..
He bought a few and when the bottom fell out he lost his shirt...
Boom/bust..Boom/bust..Boom/bust..Boom/bust..Boom/bust..
Boom/bust.. a Miami/So Fla song.. Just make sure you get out or cash out before the music stops...
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Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
2. Built on reclaimed marshland. I read earlier today that the foundation has been sinking for years.
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 05:52 PM
Jun 2021

And that the collapse was really no surprise to some civil engineers. (I wish I could find the link again, but I didn't bookmark it, but I expect it will be in the news again.)

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
3. I'm wondering if a sinkhole opened up beneath the building
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 05:55 PM
Jun 2021

If you find the link, that would be helpful

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
7. Any buildings or condo's near by just became very hard to sell i would imagine and
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jun 2021

I would worry about going back anywhere near it.

There must be a big old sinkhole right underneath there.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. We get king tides here in Boston too, but most of the flooding is in the downtown
Thu Jun 24, 2021, 11:16 PM
Jun 2021

harbor and seaport areas. I always wonder about a lot of the properties along that stretch, as many of them are built out on old piers. I am sure they are inspected regularly, but for some reason, they just make me nervous.

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