Manchin indicated he would cut a Democratic-only infrastructure plan to $2 trillion so it doesn't

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

grow the national debt

Sen. Joe Manchin said Sunday that he could support a $2 trillion Democratic-only infrastructure plan. It suggests Senate Democrats may have to significantly curtail their ambitions to earn Manchin's vote.

The influential senator pushed back on the $6 trillion price tag for a potential plan drafted by Sen. Bernie Sanders and Senate Democrats. It includes provisions to expand Medicare and expand the child tax credit among others.

But Manchin suggested it could be cut so it can be fully paid for with tax increases and no deficit-spending.

"I want to make sure we pay for it," Manchin said on ABC's "This Week." "I do not want to add more debt on."

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[Freddie]

1. Tax the rich

[mountain grammy]

17. Exactly!

[Trueblue1968]

24. Tax the rich like Joe Manchin, his net worth is $6 million as of 2021.

[mucifer]

2. It seems that something will pass. I'm glad the Dems originally went big knowing there would

have to be a compromise.

[WHITT]

3. Paid For/Not Paid For

The Dem plan is paid for. The Repub plan would add to the federal debt.

Once again, Manchin is living on some other planet.

[jimfields33]

8. It would be a total of 7 trillion between the two bills

I don’t think we’ve ever had a bill like that. The rich could pay for it. But it would leave very little left for future bills.

[Nexus2]

4. Manchin seems determined to make himself as much of a P.I.A. as possible while he can. [nt]

[madaboutharry]

5. My thoughts exactly.

[Nexus2]

26. Frankly, sometimes I wish the Democratic Party had as much of a "fall in" spinal reflex as the GOP.

Not quite as homogenous, but quicker to rally together to get something done. But the Ds are generally a much bigger tent. Its bring diversity and numbers but sometimes at the cost of coordination.

[kairos12]

6. Nothing will pass.

[Fullduplexxx]

10. Right and the dems should make it a point to say whenever they're in front of any camera

That if the american people want anything done they will need to elect more democrats because the cons are only interesting in blocking any progress

[Elessar Zappa]

19. Something will pass under reconciliation.

It may not be all we hope for but we’ll get something.

[aocommunalpunch]

7. LMAO

More rightwing framing.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. Not Sure About That

He specifically mentions paying for it by raising taxes.
Now, he wouldn't have the stomach to raise taxes enough to cover the $6 trillion. So, he's wanting a lower number.
But, raising taxes is definitely NOT RW framing. For them, taxes should never do anything but go down.

[aocommunalpunch]

16. Adding more debt is rightwing framing.

It’s their get-out-of-doing-anything card and I’m sick of it.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Agreed On That Part

I'm sick of it, too. Particularly since they're egregious violators of their own "policy".
But, as soon as raising taxes is mentioned, it's not right wing framing anymore.
Think about it.
If Manchin had a little more gumption about how much taxes would go up to cover more than $2 trillion, debt wouldn't be an issue.
But, debt becomes an issue because going to 42% on the wealthy, and making the next tier 36% on anything above $360k (an economically well received plan) is beyond his tolerance.
So, spending has to cap at 2 trillion because of debt only caused by an unwillingness to go big & bold on taxes.
I do agree about that debt nonsense being most annoying, but I don't think it applies here.

[OrlandoDem2]

11. We are going to get 2 bills. One on traditional infrastructure and one on human infrastructure .

Democrats just make that happen.

[doc03]

12. I would have to agree with Manchin on this

6 trillion is way to much and it won't happen. I find it interesting there seems to be no limit on what can be said about Manchin but you make a comment about Bernie or AOC and others you get cancelled.

[Elessar Zappa]

20. It's 600 billion a year for ten years.

We can afford it.

[flotsam]

23. $600 Billion...Hmmm

Didn't the right wingers say they wanted to defund the military? Bingo-it's paid for!

[AlexSFCA]

13. we are lucky that we even have Manchin

we were not even supposed to have a dem senator from the reddest state in the nation. Dems should look at Manchin as a formality allowing technical dem majority in the senate. We should look at increasing dem senator counts from swing states. Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. We should be all grateful Manchin is even possible. We would otherwise have 49 dems in the senate and 50 rethugs, don’t you ever forget that. The fact that Manchin votes about 50% with dems is a miracle. Manchin was elected by trump voters; he would not be possible w/o many trumpsters voting for him. Make no mistake if Breyer retires, Manchin will be on our side confirming replacement justice nominated by Biden (a black woman was promised). I bet Manchin understands that reality mote than anyone and his win allowed us to achieve so much already, particularly control of agenda in the senate. It’s not gop that is most effective at sabotaging dems, it’s actually the elected dems who irresponsibly say dumb stuff like defund the police.

[Etherealoc1]

14. 6 trillion as starting point maybe

but there's no way it's going to be even close to that figure.

Trillion is the new billion I know, but
6 Trillion is still a whole heck of alot of money.

[Midnight Writer]

15. Spread over ten years, would be 600 billion a year. GDP is about 21 trillion per year.

I think 600 billion a year is a modest investment in our future.

In fact, I think it will increase our value as a nation and pay for itself in the future.

I don't think our current path of decay is a viable option. It is like not fixing the roof of your house while the ceilings are falling in.

[aocommunalpunch]

18. It's entirely viable for a society that is falling apart.

What rises from that mess is up for debate.

[WHITT]

22. Good Point

We're so far in the infrastructure hole, because they've been doing nothing but throwing money at the Rich & Corporate, that we have to both make up for past neglect and invest for the future at the same time.

[grantcart]

25. It is also modest enough to be paid for by the top 5 % who get the most

Benefit from the infrastructure, which is Manchin's point.