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sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 06:21 PM Jul 2021

FFS! WAKE UP!

Last edited Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:50 PM - Edit history (1)



So many more.

In Charlottesville. Heather Heyer was murdered as tRumps base, white nationalists marched the streets screaming "Jews Will Not Replace Us".



Of course Jews are white but that is not important to tRumpers White Nationalists. They are not the right kind of white.

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FFS! WAKE UP! (Original Post) sheshe2 Jul 2021 OP
K&R! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #1
Hey. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #3
Hi She SheltieLover Jul 2021 #4
K & R . . . Lovie777 Jul 2021 #2
True! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #5
Well, it depends on the women - they are fascists, male and female TimeToGo Jul 2021 #17
Doesn't mean they like them. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #22
I mean TimeToGo Jul 2021 #26
K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #6
K&R onecaliberal Jul 2021 #7
Charlottesville, not Charlotte. ms liberty Jul 2021 #8
Yes, thanks for the correction, I knew that... sheshe2 Jul 2021 #30
I knew you did, and just missed it like a typo. I get how it is ms liberty Jul 2021 #44
Thank you 😊 sheshe2 Jul 2021 #60
Sucks being a caregiver. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #58
It's all tied together, all of a part... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #9
They also took over the Kentucky Statehouse. kentuck Jul 2021 #10
??? I did not hear about this. AllyCat Jul 2021 #45
The KY Militia kentuck Jul 2021 #49
Ok. Now what? CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #11
Hear, hear!! Missn-Hitch Jul 2021 #13
I have given my suggestions in my OP and thread. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #36
Hi sheshe2. Missn-Hitch Jul 2021 #68
You are new here. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #14
Yup. We register people to vote, knock on doors, talk to the undecided voters AllyCat Jul 2021 #46
Right. CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #73
You said it. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #12
they also stormed a elections counting place in florida and a federal game reserve . AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #15
I am shocked! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #16
What do you suggest we do? Arm ourselves to the teeth and fight them in the streets? Kaleva Jul 2021 #18
I think I made that pretty clear in all my posts in this thread. nt sheshe2 Jul 2021 #21
Why then tell us to wake up when we've been awake and active for decades? Kaleva Jul 2021 #23
I am to tired for this shit. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #39
600 Million? ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #61
What have you accomplished in the past few months or years? Kaleva Jul 2021 #72
I have a lot of accomplishments in the last three and a half years. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #74
Your odd criticism neither strengthens nor weakens the premise of the OP LanternWaste Jul 2021 #70
OP is preaching to the choir Kaleva Jul 2021 #71
Many white supremacists don't even consider Jews "white", either. George II Jul 2021 #19
As I said... sheshe2 Jul 2021 #20
Missed that. Wonder how they feel about many Biblical scholars believing Jesus was Black? George II Jul 2021 #24
Ha... sheshe2 Jul 2021 #29
We can't call them terrorists because they don't have a political agenda IronLionZion Jul 2021 #25
Mean conservatives, and mean LW extremists also, are menaces to Hortensis Jul 2021 #27
Nice looking boys! Have any of them found jobs yet? RVN VET71 Jul 2021 #28
They got one here. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #31
Yikes! I'll never eat a Big Mac again! RVN VET71 Jul 2021 #47
I always thought this joker with the white pyramid on his shirt PatrickforB Jul 2021 #32
"We need to stamp it out with strong laws and policies..." Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #38
I thought I'd sleep on your post and so give you a thoughtful reply. PatrickforB Jul 2021 #51
Those are all fantastic points. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #52
K and R Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #33
I live next door to a Bohunk Nazi. Believe it or not. czarjak Jul 2021 #34
I sorry. :( sheshe2 Jul 2021 #35
KnR, She Hekate Jul 2021 #37
Stay cool. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #40
K&R betsuni Jul 2021 #41
I think that if Trump's people don't see him YoshidaYui Jul 2021 #42
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2021 #43
Yep. Lawless Rs. Thugs. Also, about the neoNazi in that pic... Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2021 #48
You nailed it! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #62
You nailed it! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #63
I guess we can move on from calling them fascist to calling them Nazi now. Hotler Jul 2021 #50
BION, this is a sincere question. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2021 #53
Amen sheshe2 spanone Jul 2021 #54
OMG! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #64
😢 spanone Jul 2021 #66
It's A Sickness colsohlibgal Jul 2021 #55
It's taught. And usually at an early age, too. CrispyQ Jul 2021 #56
23 shots fired into the home of a democratic state senator MontanaMama Jul 2021 #57
I just saw that! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #65
We cannot be the frog in the pot of water Sucha NastyWoman Jul 2021 #59
ReInsurrectionism? bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #67
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #69

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
17. Well, it depends on the women - they are fascists, male and female
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jul 2021

They are right wing authoritarian fascists. And there are many women among them. Though, surely more men than women.

onecaliberal

(32,902 posts)
7. K&R
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 06:30 PM
Jul 2021

It’s why they’re trying to take the vote away from some and control who counts and certifies the votes.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
30. Yes, thanks for the correction, I knew that...
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jul 2021

It is one of the reasons I don't post that much anymore. I am called away in the middle all the time and don't always finish what I started. Happens when you have spent the last 3 and a half years taking care of a soon to be 95 year old. Home care and one of two primary givers is going to kill ya. So is the heat for the last 6 days.

ms liberty

(8,601 posts)
44. I knew you did, and just missed it like a typo. I get how it is
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:15 AM
Jul 2021

To be called away in the middle of writing a post all the time, but mine is not as important and stressful as yours - my interruptions are from my attention seeking pupsters. It drives me crazy sometimes!

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
11. Ok. Now what?
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:00 PM
Jul 2021

I see posts like this and my thought is “Yeah? What do I do other than what I am doing?”

The post shows the problem which we all already know ut what is the action that it calls for?

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
36. I have given my suggestions in my OP and thread.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:18 AM
Jul 2021

Other than:

Missn-Hitch

13. Hear, hear!!


What do you suggest we do? What are you going to do?

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
68. Hi sheshe2.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 03:37 PM
Jul 2021

You will not like my answer. I do not see any light at the end of the tunnel.

January 6th was a test and it demonstrated how easy it was. This game of theirs has been played before.

A competent, tRump-like candidate such as Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will harvest what has been sown.

I do not want to think this but I am preparing to fight. The courts are in place, we barely won the Senate and we actually lost seats in the House. tRump did not lose votes and we were fortunate to have gained more. The rEpublican state legislatures have ensured a fascist sweep.

They are doing this right out in the open.

What you should do? Continue to pursue happiness, vote AND I hope you will learn to handle and operate a variety of firearms.

What I will do? I will continue to pursue happiness, vote and prepare for the worst. I will not be rounded up and that is certain.

Cheers anyway! Have a great summer.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
14. You are new here.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:48 PM
Jul 2021

We vote. We vote in every election and we don't sit one out because of hurt fee fees.. We don't hold our noses when we vote because a candidate of choice did not win. We must always look to the future and the bigger picture, IE the courts we lost in 2016 due to anger and purity voting issues. We vote for Democrats and we do it in huge numbers. We can't let black people and black women in general do all the heavy lifting.

Just my thoughts.

AllyCat

(16,233 posts)
46. Yup. We register people to vote, knock on doors, talk to the undecided voters
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:13 AM
Jul 2021

Check registration and keep voting!

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
73. Right.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jul 2021

That’s what I am doing and have always done. I am pretty sure that’s what just about everyone here does too. What else am I supposed to do that the OP is calling for?

AllaN01Bear

(18,443 posts)
15. they also stormed a elections counting place in florida and a federal game reserve .
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 08:53 PM
Jul 2021

one of the idiots wants to run for gov.

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)
18. What do you suggest we do? Arm ourselves to the teeth and fight them in the streets?
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jul 2021

Or do we do what many of us have been doing for years; support our candidates the best we can and vote in every election?

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
39. I am to tired for this shit.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:43 AM
Jul 2021

If ALL of us had been "AWAKE AND ACTIVE FOR DECADES" as you say...then we would not have had donnie's rot for four years.People hated a candidate and refused to vote. Same shit happening today.

He killed over 600 million with his lies. His cult lives and more will die.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
74. I have a lot of accomplishments in the last three and a half years.
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 06:22 PM
Jul 2021

I am one of two 24/7 caregivers for my aging mom. She will be 95 in less than two weeks. I moved here a year after loosing my job due to age and never able to seek part time work with mom as my soul job. She hasn't stepped out of the house in two years. I have had 5 full days off in 3 plus years. We take turns with the baby monitor at night, that is the night you get no sleep. She is cognitively aware and politically correct but attached to a 25 foot oxygen tank and very unsteady on her feet. I have learned to hook up the spare tanks when the power goes out because frankly she will die without it. I think I have accomplished a lot and we have kept her safe during a pandemic.

Politically? I have made sure my Democratic mother had her mail in ballots. I hand delivered them all. She use to work the during the elections at her precinct as a volunteer.

So no, I really haven't done that much other than making her vote count.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. Your odd criticism neither strengthens nor weakens the premise of the OP
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 05:14 PM
Jul 2021

It is in fact, more than half-way to irrelevance.

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)
71. OP is preaching to the choir
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jul 2021

Telling people who donate, phone bank, knock on doors to "Wake Up!" serves no purpose.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
29. Ha...
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:36 PM
Jul 2021

Take it a step further...Jesus was a woman and the immaculate conception finally makes sense.

IronLionZion

(45,542 posts)
25. We can't call them terrorists because they don't have a political agenda
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:21 PM
Jul 2021


This administration is investigating domestic terrorism after 4 years of TFG encouraging more of it.

Jews come in diverse types, even Middle Eastern and Ethiopian. Jews are not trying to replace anyone. Replacement theory is nonsensical yet Tucker the MFer Carlson is promoting it right now on his show. He's saying Dems are trying to replace Americans with foreigners somewhat like what his ancestors did to the Native Americans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Mean conservatives, and mean LW extremists also, are menaces to
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:30 PM
Jul 2021

civilized, decent society. In this era, many are imagining everything bad is about racism, and mean people usually are racist; but if all the AA dropped dead, the haters would just concentrate their fear and attacks on other groups. They never lack groups to hate.

Knowing who and what to fight and why is extremely important at a time when they've become a huge threat to everyone, including themselves.

RVN VET71

(2,698 posts)
28. Nice looking boys! Have any of them found jobs yet?
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:31 PM
Jul 2021

Tiki Nazis are the whitest, aren’t they? Just so adorbs with their sweat and angry chanting!

I bet employers were just sooo eager to hire the ones who got fired after the violence in Charlottesville.

PatrickforB

(14,593 posts)
32. I always thought this joker with the white pyramid on his shirt
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 11:15 PM
Jul 2021

looks like a little Hitler.

And, yes, anti-Sematism is quite alive and well with these hate-filled, loathesome pieces of human excrement. I mean, look at the expression on this guy's face. Racism is ugly, ugly, ugly. No matter how you soft-pedal it, or try and rationalize it with bible verses and pseudo-science, it is just plain ugly.

We need to stamp it out with strong laws and policies, and we definitely DO need to teach the truth in our schools. Because not only do we need to meet white supremacy head-on, we need to meet our own 'color blindness' head on. Because people still say that - that they are 'color blind,' and as long as white people claim that, we will never really be able to tackle racism, our history of slavery and genocide in any kind of honest way.

So, let's all stop being 'color blind' and begin being conscious of the profound value of every human being, and confront the evils of our past, and get rid of the institutional racism.

Gosh, did I hear you say we need an effective 'fairness doctrine' for the twenty-first century? You bet. We need to pull the teeth of these right-wing talk radio shows by requiring each of them to present the other side in as compelling terms. We have to get rid of Citizens United, and the other supreme court rulings that equate dollars with free speech, and grant corporations personhood.

We also need to pull the fangs of Wall Street by forcing changes in corporate charters that eliminate shareholder primacy and hold the interests of workers, consumers, communities and the environment on an equal footing. We need a sane tax policy too, where the rich and corporations pay their fair share.

To my mind, racism is designed to create poverty, and poverty is the greatest violence against humanity.

Jedi Guy

(3,259 posts)
38. "We need to stamp it out with strong laws and policies..."
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:37 AM
Jul 2021

Such as? White supremacy is an idea, and in a society with strong protections for freedom of expression, enacting laws against it will almost certainly not pass constitutional muster. You can't legislate away an idea any more than you can legislate away drug use. Proscribing it only makes it more attractive to a certain kind of person. You simply can't make it "illegal" to hold racist beliefs. It's already illegal to commit acts of violence, and many states have hate crime enhancements for acts of violence motivated by racism. But you can't make the ideas themselves illegal; you can't create "thought crime" laws. The First Amendment protects even odious and hateful speech, as it should.

"Gosh, did I hear you say we need an effective 'fairness doctrine' for the twenty-first century?"

This also runs into issues of freedom of expression, not to mention that the Fairness Doctrine as it existed previously governed what goes out on the airwaves, as those are owned by the people. It has no ability to moderate things like cable TV or Internet podcasts. Attempting to resurrect it will run smack into the First Amendment.

Like it or not, you can't just make laws to stifle expression and views you don't like. Attempting to do so is not going to succeed, and may well backfire. If we can do it, so can the Republicans when they're back in power. If you criminalize white supremacist ideals now, then in 10 years when the GOP is back in the driver's seat, they may well criminalize Black Lives Matter on the grounds that it's a "black supremacist" movement. You and I both know it isn't, but you and I both also know that wouldn't stop them from doing it, using your proposed laws as precedent.

PatrickforB

(14,593 posts)
51. I thought I'd sleep on your post and so give you a thoughtful reply.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jul 2021

You brought up objections to two points, and I wanted to address those.

First, you state that white supremacy is an idea and as such, because of the First Amendment right to free speech, we cannot simply stamp it out. True. My wording on that one was a bit imperfect. I was once arguing the same point with a dear friend. It went something like this:

Me: You cannot legislate an end to racism.
D: Sure you can!
Me: (silence at first, then...) How?
D: Well, look at the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Before that, it was legal to give people of color 'tests' at the polling place, and they had to sit in the back of the bus, weren't served in many restaurants and hospitals, and had supposedly 'separate but equal' schools. The Civil Rights Act also made it illegal to discriminate against anyone for a job on the basis of race or ethnicity.

Okay, let's just take D's explanation and look at it critically. While it is true that many smaller companies do still practice discriminatory hiring, most don't, and in fact if you look at literature from SHRM, you will see all kinds of articles and classes about how to INCREASE racial and ethnic diversity in companies. According to economic developer friends, companies deciding where to move or expand now include access to a diverse labor force as one of their criteria.

And, I have not seen a 'Colored-only' or 'White-only' sign since I was a small child. Plus, when I ride the bus or light rail, people can and do sit where they want.

On the other hand, we have continued reports such as the black woman who was lowballed on a home appraisal, and got a white friend to stand in for her with a new appraiser with the 'white' appraisal (for the same house!) coming in over $100k higher. And, we definitely still have de facto segregation, particularly in some inner city schools. In my own state, we declared that desegregation was a done deal a few years ago, and ended busing. But it wasn't.

So, all that said, and doubtless you can come up with other examples, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made a broad swath of us think differently over time by simply changing behavior. And I had to admit in the context of my discussion with D that he is right. To a degree, and based on evidence, to a larger degree than not.

D is a psychologist, and when we were arguing about this very point, he said that in his practice, he does not even go to feelings or even thinking to help someone who wants help change for the better. He goes for behavior. He firmly believes (and I know not all mental health people agree) that if you change the behavior, eventually the thinking will change, and finally the feelings will change.

***

Now, to the second point - a new fairness doctrine. Back in the day, at the end of the Second World War, which my father fought in - he was definitely Antifa, and slogged through jungle in the prolonged action in the Pacific. He saw combat in the battle to retake New Guinea.

Well, when that was all over, the US Congress at the time had two fears: first that Americans would be propagandized by either a right-wing demagogue or a communist demagogue - because of the new Cold War. So they passed the Fairness Doctrine. Essentially, it required news stations to 1) be locally owned, 2) present at least a half hour of local and a half hour of national news, and 3) identify opinion pieces AS opinion, and present both sides fairly.

In 1971, though, Lewis Powell wrote his famous Manifesto at the request of the US Chamber of Commerce that lays out the whole right wing noise machine, as well as the oligarchic plan to take over the courts and so on. Much of that HAS happened because in 1987, Reagan allowed the old Fairness Doctrine to die. More recently, we had a series of Supreme Court rulings that make corporations people, and make dollars free speech. Just now, we had the ruling that makes it harder to identify the actual donors to political causes, and of course we all know what has been done by SCOTUS to gut the Voting Rights Act.

In short, we are going the wrong way quickly, unless you are a Powell Manifesto supporter, then things are great. But my point is that legislation does work. To a degree, and never how you really want it to, but it does work. It changes behavior, and with behavior, thinking eventually changes, and as that happens, eventually feelings change. But power never concedes anything without a fight, and legislation is one of our tools to fight that good fight.

Best wishes!

Jedi Guy

(3,259 posts)
52. Those are all fantastic points.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jul 2021

Generally when I see "we need legislation against racism" around here, it's usually an advocate of "hate speech" laws making the argument. I'm against such laws because I feel they strike at the very heart of the First Amendment. Either everyone has freedom of speech or no one has freedom of speech. You can't have it both ways. Today's accepted speech is tomorrow's banned speech based on the whims of those in power. Once a freedom is ceded to the government, there's generally no getting it back. The road to hell is, after all, paved with good intentions.

Insofar as "change the behavior, change the thinking" goes... I'm not so sure. There is widespread societal condemnation of racist behavior these days, but it doesn't seem as if racist behavior is on the decline. Rather the reverse. I'm unsure if that's because there are more people being racists or if it's because everyone is walking around with a camera in their pocket and is able to capture the behavior as it unfolds, or a mix of the two.

I think racism will always be with us, sadly. There are always going to be people who look down on others based on the color of their skin because it makes them feel better about themselves or their own situation. Resentment easily morphs into hatred, just takes a little push. And there are plenty of people out there willing to give that little push because it increases their own power.

The only way I could see racism disappearing is if we made contact with aliens. But if that happened, people would be lining up to hate the aliens a la District 9. Just like some people aren't happy unless they're in a towering temper, some people aren't happy unless they have someone to hate.

YoshidaYui

(41,864 posts)
42. I think that if Trump's people don't see him
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 04:17 AM
Jul 2021

Re instated, (Which he won't) in August there will be some bloodshed on the streets some where.. or maybe there will be some massive coordination to take back "their " government, in any case... I hope that the Justice Department is ready to protect our Democracy... and our way of life.

Life under the Republicans would suck... no matter who they put in charge

and yes, they will try and steal the next election.

Buckle up, its going to be a bumpy road ahead....

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
53. BION, this is a sincere question.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:45 AM
Jul 2021

In the world of the white supremacist, is a convert to Judaism regarded in the same way as one born genetically Jewish?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
55. It's A Sickness
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jul 2021

We united to beat Hitler and his Nazis and American Nazis are burgeoning.

Hate of the “Other” is not new and remains a scourge here and abroad.

I will never understand it, we’re all human. My two closest friends ever were one Jewish gal, my best friend, and a lady of color. I never gave it a thought but know either would do anything for me and vice versa.

That loser Trump did figure out if he could exploit that reservoir of hate he could ride it.





CrispyQ

(36,528 posts)
56. It's taught. And usually at an early age, too.
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jul 2021

I personally believe it can be untaught in most people. I think our country would benefit from a rural/urban exchange program of high school students, similar to international student exchange programs. Of course, as long as our side continues to ignore hate radio, we will be swimming upstream. Hours & hours of hate towards the left, or the libs, is spewed over huge areas of rural America every day & we are like crickets.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
57. 23 shots fired into the home of a democratic state senator
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 02:03 PM
Jul 2021

in Alabama. Add that to the list.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215584990

https://politicalwire.com/2021/07/02/23-shots-fired-into-home-of-state-senator/

23 Shots Fired Into Home of State Senator

July 2, 2021 at 9:40 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 35 Comments

Police are investigating multiple shots being fired into the home of Alabama state Sen. Vivian Figures (D), the Alabama Political Reporter reports.

“Figures was not home at the time of the shooting — around 5 a.m. Thursday — and has not commented on the incident.”

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,754 posts)
59. We cannot be the frog in the pot of water
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 02:43 PM
Jul 2021

It’s already getting a little warm.

Start yelling about how many attacks are occurring even though they may appear to be un-coordinated.

bucolic_frolic

(43,323 posts)
67. ReInsurrectionism?
Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jul 2021

Caravan, flags waving, loudspeakers blaring, private armies in the truck bed, bearded loons pull up to the people's home and try to reinstall the last guy. It's all out there in the ether. Don't know what they'll do of course. The Capitol was a fail. They've taken the SC. So that leaves the executive branch?

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