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jmowreader

(50,566 posts)
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:00 PM Jul 2021

I've been reading up on toluene diisocyanate

And you're thinking, "what the hell is toluene diisocyanate?" Polyurethane foam is made out of four chemicals: that one I just named and that we'll call TDI from here on in; a "polyol" like ethylene glycol; the catalyst 1,4-diazabicyclo[2.2.2]octane (better known as DABCO) that causes the first two chemicals to link together; and a blowing agent like carbon dioxide or water that makes the polyurethane foam up before it gets a chance to cure.

There are reports that TDI causes neurological damage.

TDI is used to make the foam that Mike Lindell uses to make his pillows.

Is it possible that Mike Lindell's insanity is from the chemicals he uses to make his lumpy pillows and not from the drugs he used to do or the company he currently keeps?

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I've been reading up on toluene diisocyanate (Original Post) jmowreader Jul 2021 OP
Maybe it's possible that the entire right wing lunacy is due to lindell's pillows? spanone Jul 2021 #1
Good One, But No ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #2
No one uses his pillows long enough to affect their brain lunatica Jul 2021 #3
I'm not sure that's true wackadoo wabbit Jul 2021 #7
Toulene, bad juju stuff. Ellipsis Jul 2021 #4
Not to make light of addiction, but I think Crack addiction is a more plausible cause tulipsandroses Jul 2021 #5
Living better through chemistry. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #6
LOL! lunatica Jul 2021 #8

ProfessorGAC

(65,230 posts)
2. Good One, But No
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jul 2021

I've worked with TDI.
It is, indeed, a very dangerous compound. Causes neurological damage, as you said, and if inhaled can cause major respiratory damage.
You see, TDI will react with any free hydroxyl. Using glycol, which has a hydroxyl on both ends is how it forms a polymeric chain.
Water also has an effective hydroxyl.
So, the TDI reacts with it to form a film which coats the bronchial tubes and alveoli. Very bad.
But, in a relatively short amount of time, residual TDI in a foam reacts with atmospheric moisture. It's not TDI, anymore. His company, AFAIK, doesn't make their own urethane foams. They just buy scraps and cut them into like size chunks.
Lindell is a nut, but I think his brain damage has more to do with his crack addiction than any industrial chemical effects.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
3. No one uses his pillows long enough to affect their brain
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:15 PM
Jul 2021

Everything he says about his pillows is malarkey. It was the worst pillow I ever had! It didn’t last long!

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
7. I'm not sure that's true
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:24 PM
Jul 2021

My allergist told me that you're much more susceptible to allergens and toxins when you're asleep than when you're awake.

If someone were stupid enough to be breathing in the toxins from his pillows while sleeping 8 hours a night . . . well, let me say that it's nothing I'd want to do..

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
4. Toulene, bad juju stuff.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:16 PM
Jul 2021

Heavier than air. In a not properly ventilated environment, it accumulates in low lying areas. it causes Neurological damage and neonatal effects.

You think he's a glue sniffer?

I would guess as far as his pillows are concerned the pillow content is perhaps a by product of waste from another manufacturing process where he acquires rejected or excess polyurethane foam and shreds it.

tulipsandroses

(5,128 posts)
5. Not to make light of addiction, but I think Crack addiction is a more plausible cause
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 08:19 PM
Jul 2021

As well as he may have other mental health issues. Some people with substance abuse issues, have underlying mental health issues. Even his story about how he got sober is a bit nuts. He said that he was doing so much crack that his 3 drug dealers did an intervention.

keithbvadu2

(36,953 posts)
6. Living better through chemistry.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jul 2021

Living better through chemistry.

Eating lead paint chips as a kid.

Mercury poisoning - Mad as a hatter.

Love Canal.

Go to a nail salon and you can feel your brain cells dissolving from the chemicals used for pedicures and manicures.

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