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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 06:49 PM Jul 2021

CAN BERNIE SANDERS STILL PUT HIS STAMP ON BIDEN'S AGENDA?



(snip)

That $3.5 trillion wouldn’t be anything to sneeze at; while it’s far lower than the $6 trillion Sanders has identified as his preferred starting point, it would still check every box on the White House priority list and could go a long way toward delivering real gains for everyday Americans. But it won’t have the sweep of Sanders’s original proposal, and may prove unsatisfactory to both him and the rest of the progressive caucus. “A lot of work has gone into the effort and much more work needs to be done,” a Sanders spokesperson told Axios. “Senator Sanders wrote a $6 trillion proposal to address the desperate needs of working people and the existential threat of climate change, and he’s confident that Democrats will come together around a reconciliation bill that does just that.”

Doing so could be difficult. A single Democratic defection would doom the package, giving Manchin and others who would prefer a smaller bill a good amount of leverage. But Sanders told Dowd that a two-to-three trillion bill would be “much too low” for him to support, saying that lawmakers have an opportunity now to “address concerns progressives have had for decades.” Sanders has made clear he doesn’t want to squander that opportunity. But he has also sought to build bridges between the progressive movement and the White House—and even between his coalition and the white working class, whom he suggested to Dowd could be pulled away from Trumpism if the Democratic party better met their needs. “We’ve got to take it to them,” he said. “I intend...to start going into Trumpworld and start talking to people.”

“If we don’t do that, I fear very much that conspiracy theories and big lies and the drift toward authoritarianism is going to continue,” he added.

Sanders, then, sits at the axis of three political coalitions: a progressive movement concerned he’s not doing enough to pull Biden to the left; a faction of Democratic centrists seeking to temper his plans; and a Republican base he wants to save from the MAGA cult but who have been trained to regard the democratic socialism he embodies as an existential threat. In some ways, his position underscores the extent to which his progressive politics have gained influence within the Democratic establishment — the one-time insurgent now a senior leader with a friendly ear in the White House. But the infrastructure negotiations could also illustrate the limits to his power. “You know politics,” he told Dowd. “You can’t please all of the people all of the time.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/can-bernie-sanders-still-put-his-stamp-on-biden-agenda-infrastructure-bill




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CAN BERNIE SANDERS STILL PUT HIS STAMP ON BIDEN'S AGENDA? (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2021 OP
who? Skittles Jul 2021 #1
... Me. Jul 2021 #2
Pay attention. notinkansas Jul 2021 #3
And substance to that claim? sheshe2 Jul 2021 #4
Posted without comment: George II Jul 2021 #34
TY sheshe2 Jul 2021 #35
That's only 0.665% NurseJackie Jul 2021 #40
Gotta do it: George II Jul 2021 #44
Perfect!! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #68
It's an abysmal record and there is very little to it when you look at it item by item n/t Lucinda Jul 2021 #79
Surely you jest. comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #10
... sheshe2 Jul 2021 #17
thank you Skittles Jul 2021 #27
What are his legislative accomplishments? LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #11
"accomplishments" Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #13
That is correct, but is also a bit pathetic as a retort. MineralMan Jul 2021 #16
It wasn't meant to be a retort just a spell check. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #19
Sure. Right. You bet... MineralMan Jul 2021 #20
I am betting, I even bolded what I most agreed with Bernie on in the OP Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #25
Thank you for admitting that sanders has no legislative accomplishment LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #55
meaning he goes on TeeVee alot iemanja Jul 2021 #57
So the list is...? sheshe2 Jul 2021 #18
There is no list. MineralMan Jul 2021 #21
I know. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #23
None. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #41
Renaming a couple of post offices on]ver a long career is something LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #56
He did help get a VA bill passed iemanja Jul 2021 #58
I forget, what SB number was that, asking for a friend. n/t DiamondShark Jul 2021 #76
I couldn't possibly say. nt iemanja Jul 2021 #77
Here it is, along with his other legislative accomplishments: George II Jul 2021 #82
Thanks George! n/t DiamondShark Jul 2021 #83
I hope your friend enjoys the information (forgive me, I'm in a silly and sarcastic mood tonight!!!) George II Jul 2021 #84
That was a rubber stamper. Anyone chairing could have got it through... n/t Lucinda Jul 2021 #80
Correct. It was basically a COLA adjustment. George II Jul 2021 #81
Ahem Me. Jul 2021 #24
What has he "influenced"? George II Jul 2021 #31
+ JI7 Jul 2021 #5
Wow, I had not heard that name in awhile. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #6
Nice wasn't it? comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #9
Bernie stans endlessly hope so...nt SidDithers Jul 2021 #7
... sheshe2 Jul 2021 #33
God, I hope not. comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #8
I also hope not LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #12
He can stamp on Biden's agenda all he likes. MineralMan Jul 2021 #14
Post offices have stamps! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #22
I See You Beat Me To It Me. Jul 2021 #26
;) sheshe2 Jul 2021 #28
Maybe that's what he's looking for, a Bernie Sanders Memorial Stamp? George II Jul 2021 #45
Ha! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #59
Yogi Berra has one, why not him..... George II Jul 2021 #74
LOL! Maybe he can buy a stamp at one of them and send MineralMan Jul 2021 #66
Badumdum! George II Jul 2021 #75
LOL! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #43
I didn't vote for Bernie, I voted for Biden-Harris. But there's no reason why Bernie and Joe can't abqtommy Jul 2021 #15
Why? It's not the "Bernie-Lite" administration. Bernie isn't Joe Biden's advisor... NurseJackie Jul 2021 #60
It was just a thought that maybe the Bernie Bro's would just shut up for awhile... Since we're abqtommy Jul 2021 #61
I get it... but I think the opposite would happen. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #62
Just between you and me, I think the person that serves up President Joe's ice cream or the abqtommy Jul 2021 #63
Bernie speaks often and loudly. He influences legislation rarely. MineralMan Jul 2021 #69
Gadfly behavior is not a way to build coalitions, find common ground, or make progress... NurseJackie Jul 2021 #70
Political Purists Insist That Only Purity Is Acceptable MineralMan Jul 2021 #71
NOPE. Budi Jul 2021 #29
WHY ARE YOU YELLING? emulatorloo Jul 2021 #30
I'M NOT, I'M TYPING THIS IN COMPLETE SILENCE. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #32
All caps yelling on the Internet. emulatorloo Jul 2021 #38
There was no exclamation point, you can't yell without one of them. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #48
... emulatorloo Jul 2021 #49
... Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #50
This is a good one... emulatorloo Jul 2021 #54
em! sheshe2 Jul 2021 #36
Me too! It was a long year emulatorloo Jul 2021 #39
Hope all is well. sheshe2 Jul 2021 #47
Here's an interesting website that ranks all Senators on how they voted on Biden's agenda: George II Jul 2021 #37
Wow. Well he broke my heart a long while ago. emulatorloo Jul 2021 #46
Manchin and Sinema have voted with Biden 100% of the time mcar Jul 2021 #53
Yes, the two Senators that get beaten on relentlessly are among the most loyal Democrats. George II Jul 2021 #73
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2021 #78
+1 betsuni Jul 2021 #85
Thank you Bernie luv2fly Jul 2021 #42
+1 BeckyDem Jul 2021 #51
BeckyDem Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #52
Sure why not a commemorative stamp for the Independent 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2021 #64
Not while Joe Mansion and Cursed Cinema are stomping on it. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #65
It's the same agenda just different dollar figures traitorsgalore Jul 2021 #67
Never too late to support the party's agenda.... MrsCoffee Jul 2021 #72
The article says the obstacle is several conservative Democrats and Republicans forcing betsuni Jul 2021 #86

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. Posted without comment:
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:49 PM
Jul 2021

Since January 1991:

Status of Legislation

Introduced [451]
Committee Consideration [66]
Floor Consideration [15]
Failed One Chamber [1]
Passed One Chamber [9]
Passed Both Chambers [5]
To President [4]
Veto Actions [1]
Became Law [3]

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?s=2&r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22Sanders%22%5D%2C%22congress%22%3A%22all%22%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%2C%22bill-status%22%3A%22all%22%7D

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
40. That's only 0.665%
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 09:02 PM
Jul 2021

Last edited Tue Jul 13, 2021, 06:19 AM - Edit history (1)

zero point six-six-five percent. Less than one percent. Not even three-quarters of a percent.

To put it in context, that's less than SKIM MILK!

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
19. It wasn't meant to be a retort just a spell check.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:25 PM
Jul 2021

I don't need to prove anything in regards to Bernie's record or esteem to anyone else.

I certainly realize that Biden is President and that Bernie is only one of fifty Senators although with more national public influence than most of the others but all that means less to me than the actual issues of the day and for that matter tomorrow.




Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
25. I am betting, I even bolded what I most agreed with Bernie on in the OP
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:33 PM
Jul 2021
“If we don’t do that, I fear very much that conspiracy theories and big lies and the drift toward authoritarianism is going to continue,” he added.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
55. Thank you for admitting that sanders has no legislative accomplishment
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 10:53 PM
Jul 2021

Renaming a couple of post office is amusing

George II

(67,782 posts)
82. Here it is, along with his other legislative accomplishments:
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 08:02 PM
Jul 2021

1. S.893 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/08/2013) Cosponsors: (17)
Committees: Senate - Veterans' Affairs | House - Veterans' Affairs
Committee Report: S. Rept. 113-87
Latest Action: 11/21/2013 Became Public Law No: 113-52.


2. S.885 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 35 Park Street in Danville, Vermont, as the "Thaddeus Stevens Post Office".
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/07/2013) Cosponsors: (1)
Committees: Senate - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs | House - Oversight and Government Reform
Latest Action: 11/26/2014 Became Public Law No: 113-189.


3. H.R.5245 — 109th Congress (2005-2006)
To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the "Matthew Lyon Post Office Building".
Sponsor: Rep. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT-At Large] (Introduced 04/27/2006) Cosponsors: (5)
Committees: House - Government Reform | Senate - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Action: 08/02/2006 Became Public Law No: 109-263.

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?s=2&r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22sanders%22%5D%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%2C%22congress%22%3A%22all%22%2C%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. He can stamp on Biden's agenda all he likes.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:01 PM
Jul 2021

He can stamp his feet as hard as he might. It will make no difference in the outcome.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
22. Post offices have stamps!
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:30 PM
Jul 2021

Legislation Sponsored or Cosponsored by Bernard Sanders:

2. S.885 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 35 Park Street in Danville, Vermont, as the "Thaddeus Stevens Post Office".
Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/07/2013) Cosponsors: (1)
Committees: Senate - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs | House - Oversight and Government Reform
Latest Action: 11/26/2014 Became Public Law No: 113-189. (TXT | PDF) (All Actions)
Tracker: This bill has the status Became LawHere are the steps for Status of Legislation:IntroducedPassed SenatePassed HouseTo PresidentBecame Law
LAW
3. H.R.5245 — 109th Congress (2005-2006)

"Matthew Lyon Post Office Building".
Sponsor: Rep. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT-At Large] (Introduced 04/27/2006) Cosponsors: (5)
Committees: House - Government Reform | Senate - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Latest Action: 08/02/2006 Became Public Law No: 109-263. (TXT | PDF) (All Actions

More: https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22congress%22%3A%22all%22%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22bills%22%2C%22bill-status%22%3A%5B%22passed-one%22%2C%22passed-both%22%2C%22law%22%5D%7DTo designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
66. LOL! Maybe he can buy a stamp at one of them and send
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:32 AM
Jul 2021

Joe Biden a letter endorsing his agenda. Maybe that's what the OP meant...

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
15. I didn't vote for Bernie, I voted for Biden-Harris. But there's no reason why Bernie and Joe can't
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:08 PM
Jul 2021

sit down together to talk things over.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
60. Why? It's not the "Bernie-Lite" administration. Bernie isn't Joe Biden's advisor...
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:03 AM
Jul 2021

... he's not a cabinet member. What good purpose would be served? Of all the members in the Democratic Caucus, Bernie Sanders ranks dead last in voting to support Biden's agenda. What could he possibly bring to the table that Joe Biden would be interested in?

But there's no reason why Bernie and Joe can'tsit down together to talk things over.
All I'm trying to say is that it would be a waste of time. Nothing worthwhile would come of it... other than a photo-op and a press conference (or memo/announcement) that would be used to bash Democrats or Biden.

Haven't we all had enough of our party being referred to as "coastal elites" or "ideologically bankrupt" (etc etc... no need to repeat all the slurs here, but there are a LOT of them, I assure you.) Those things are divisive, so why create a stage for anyone to spread that type of divisive rhetoric. It only leads to division and distrust... and that weakens our party. Anything that weakens Democrats only serves to benefit the GOP, Russia, and Trump.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
61. It was just a thought that maybe the Bernie Bro's would just shut up for awhile... Since we're
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:08 AM
Jul 2021

obviously wasting time by whining about reTHUG obstruction instead of expelling them the "waste"
doesn't seem all that important. There could be some snark here... And I've certainly "had enough".

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
62. I get it... but I think the opposite would happen.
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jul 2021

It would be misinterpreted and people would be inclined to believe that Bernie has more power than he actually does. That's all I'm saying.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
63. Just between you and me, I think the person that serves up President Joe's ice cream or the
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:19 AM
Jul 2021

child that President Joe pauses to talk to has more power than Bernie does. But don't let that get
around.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
69. Bernie speaks often and loudly. He influences legislation rarely.
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:43 AM
Jul 2021

He is listened to primarily by his supporters, but by few others.

Senator Sanders' influence is highly overrated by those supporters. Typically, he proposes things that have zero chance of ever becoming law, even if the Senate had a 2/3 majority. He is a firebrand, of course, but his demands are dealt with quickly by the use of a small fire extinguisher.

In the Senate, he is not even a Democrat, despite having run for President twice as a Democrat of convenience. Essentially, he is ignored in the Senate by one and all, despite his handwaving and stentorian speeches. I do not take him seriously, actually.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
70. Gadfly behavior is not a way to build coalitions, find common ground, or make progress...
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:56 AM
Jul 2021

Gadfly behavior is not a way to build coalitions, find common ground, or make progress through compromise. It only creates resentment and distrust. It's divisive and it ultimately weakens the party and the Democratic administration. This in turn only serves to embolden and make things easier for the GOP.

All I'm saying is that this is NOT how to get things done. It's so obvious. Why would anyone continue to pursue this path?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
71. Political Purists Insist That Only Purity Is Acceptable
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jul 2021

That is why they fail in a political reality that is almost equally divided between two points of view.

That is why Senator Bernard Sanders has a loyal, vociferous following. His followers insist that only his point of view should be listened to and followed.

The result is that his recommendations, and theirs, are ignored completely most of the time.

Reality Bites!

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
30. WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:43 PM
Jul 2021


‘Add Some Music"

The sunday mornin' gospel goes good with the soul
There's blues, folk, and country, and rock like a rollin' stone
The world could come together as one
If everybody under the sun
Add some music to your day
(Add some music add some add some music to your day)
A bob didit a bop didit

You'll hear it while you're walkin' by a neighbor's home
You'll hear it faintly in the distance when you're on the phone
You're sittin' in a dentist's chair
And they've got music for you there
To add some music
(Add some music add some add some music to your)
To your day
A bob didit a bop didit

Add some music music everywhere (add some music)
Add some add some add some add some music (add some music)
Your doctor knows it keeps you calm
Your preacher adds it to his psalms
So add some music
(Add some music add some add some music to your)
To your day

Music
(Add some music add some music)
When you're alone
(Add some music add some music)
Is like a companion
(Add some music add some music)
For your lonely soul
Oo oo oo woo oo woo oo oo oo oooo

When day is over (when day is over)
I close my tired eyes (I close my tired)
Music is in my soul

At a movie you can feel it touching your heart
And on every day of the summertime
You'll hear children chasing ice cream carts
They'll play it on your wedding day
There must be 'bout a million ways
To add some music
(Add some music add some add some music to your)
To your day

Add some music to your day
Add some music to your day
Add some music to your day
Add some music to your day
Add some music to your day

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
38. All caps yelling on the Internet.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:58 PM
Jul 2021


From The Beach Boy’s “Friends” Album

As I sit an' close my eyes
There's peace in my mind
And I'm hopin' that you'll find it too
An' these feelings in my heart
I know, are meant for you

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Here's an interesting website that ranks all Senators on how they voted on Biden's agenda:
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 08:57 PM
Jul 2021
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/

"How often the member votes in line with Biden’s position"

35 Senators in the Democratic Caucus have voted with Biden 100% of the time (tied at #1)

Here are the remaining 15 and their rank:

36 Tammy Baldwin
36 Richard Blumenthal
36 Cory A. Booker
36 Catherine Cortez Masto
36 Tammy Duckworth
36 Edward J. Markey
36 Jeff Merkley
36 Jacky Rosen
36 Jon Tester
36 Ron Wyden
36 Elizabeth Warren
47 Kirsten E. Gillibrand
48 Patty Murray
49 Chris Van Hollen
50 Bernard Sanders




mcar

(42,334 posts)
53. Manchin and Sinema have voted with Biden 100% of the time
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jul 2021

and Sanders 93.5% of the time, less than 10 percentage points over the next in line, Susan Collins.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
42. Thank you Bernie
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 09:03 PM
Jul 2021

Your passion continues to provide hope to progressive Democrats, keep fighting for us!

traitorsgalore

(1,396 posts)
67. It's the same agenda just different dollar figures
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:35 AM
Jul 2021

Vanity Fair is trying to create tension where there is none, must be getting desperate.

betsuni

(25,539 posts)
86. The article says the obstacle is several conservative Democrats and Republicans forcing
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 10:23 PM
Jul 2021

Democrats to defend the basic tenants of democracy rather than focus on policy, why blame the Biden White House and say they need to "be pulled to the left"? That doesn't make sense. Myth of the bully pulpit, that if presidents really want something they can get it so they must not want something if it doesn't happen?

Says Sanders succeeded in moving "Joe and his campaign in a more progressive direction." How? A little different language, a little higher number on something? That's what it usually is with this "pulling/pushing Democrats to the left" idea. Why does anyone think Biden wouldn't have progressive policies without Bernie? Guess it's the new definition of "progressive" as anti-establishment with "corporate Dems" the establishment to be "taken on" because they aren't progressive. Well that doesn't work when Bernie is "helping to lead a party where he was once an outsider." He's leadership, establishment.

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