151 Dead, 563 Hospitalized in Illinois Breakthrough COVID Cases

[SheltieLover]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/151-dead-563-hospitalized-in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases/2556408/

A total of 151 people have died and more than 500 have been hospitalized in Illinois due to COVID-19 in "breakthrough" cases after they were fully vaccinated, according to state health officials.

According to data updated Wednesday by the Illinois Department of Public Health, 151 people in Illinois have died due to COVID-19 or complications after being fully vaccinated. That figure equates to 2.2% of COVID-19 deaths in the state since Jan. 1, officials said.

At least 563 fully vaccinated people have been hospitalized in Illinois, IDPH said. The state only reports breakthrough infections among those who have been hospitalized or died, following guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, IDPH said.

The state does not publicize the number of residents who tested positive after being fully vaccinated but did not die or require hospitalization in order to "help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance," IDPH's website reads.

More at link. 😷

[marble falls]

1. Thankyou Fox and 45. We're going back into quarantine.

[beaglelover]

4. Nope, never going to happen. We need to learn to live with COVID and adapt our lifestyle to it.

Not cower in fear in quarantine. JMO.

[DenaliDemocrat]

10. For some "learning to live with COVID" means

Dying from COVID.

Bullshit nonsensical talking point

[beaglelover]

15. Risk of dying from COVID is teeny tiny percentage if fully vaxed.

Nothing to lose sleep over. Might as well quarantine for fear of being struck by lightning.

[Crunchy Frog]

29. How many people have been killed by lightning in Illinois

during the same time period?

[GulfCoast66]

36. Over 1000 people have died in automobile crashes in Illinois this year.

Not critiquing anyone’s response to the Covid resurgence. All we vaccinated people have to choose for ourselves.

Just adding some nuance to the discussion.

[PufPuf23]

84. To make the choice to vaccinate is a social as well as a personal choice.

Appears that cv19 is now destined to be a prone tp mutate disease that is well on the way to becoming an endemic global human disease.

That this occurred this time is a human problem but humanity will not always be so fortunate; humanity will encounter worse viruses and other disease in the future.

The risk is not as simple to quantify as items like auto crashes, more inherent uncertainty.

[DenaliDemocrat]

56. You don't stand under a tree in a lightning storm

You sure you’re on the right website?

[Ms. Toad]

73. You are misinterpreting snapshot data, with incomplete information about

the circumstances under which it was gathered as predictive for the long term in a world in which no one is doing any mitigation beyond vaccination.

Not to mention that (1) asymptomatic individuals can catch COVID and transmit it to the 15% of population not even eligible to receive it yet and (2) COVID is unpredictable and has a number of manifestations that are probably a close second to death.

While I'm not quarantining, I continue to use layers of protection including masking, social distancing, and vaccination.

If all you are doing is vaccinating, your risks are significantly higher than being struck by lightning.

[Renew Deal]

57. And yet, that's what will happen.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. Speak for yourself. You don't get to make or evaluate risk calculations for other people.

[marble falls]

28. BS. Is a cop in body armor a coward? I don't live in fear, I just don't swim with alligators ...

But living in fear would be better than dying out of other people's lemming-like gross stupidity.

Don't fall for their Fox narrative: that viruses are supposed to kill off segments of the population!

[SheltieLover]

32. Same here, MF!

Knowledge is power, imo.

I'm most interested in the #s they won't release: asymptomatic & mild cases of vaxed, the former likely impossible to know.

But both of the above can & often do result in long-haul! That's my concern.

😷

[madville]

43. Yep, it's here to stay

There will always be a new variant. Time to learn to live with it and get on with life.

[beaglelover]

44. Damn straight!

[SheltieLover]

6. I've never changed my pandemic protocols

Mask up!

😷

[marble falls]

18. We modified a bit about going out, but the masks never came off. We stopped for Kolaches ...

... in LaGrange on our way to Houston, Monday. We were two of three people wearing masks. I told Joy, "this is the most dangerous place we've been in almost two years."

We went to a nice place in town tonight and decided it was the last outing till this is done.

We were given hard stares in both places. I have enough medical conditions without adding Covid.

[SheltieLover]

47. I get hard stares for mask as well, but I don't care

Sad so many are dismissive of the realistic dangers.

Glad you & yours are being safe! 😷

[marble falls]

48. I know what I'm going to say when I finally get questioned ...

... "I won't answer until you answer this: Who really won the election?"

I will not cower in front of cowards. I will not be cowed by the basket of deplorables.

[SheltieLover]

50. Same here, MF!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. Regardless of the efficaciousness or not of such a move that will never happen.

[JohnSJ]

2. Typical incomplete information from the illustrious media. Which vaccine, Moderna, Pfizer, JNJ

how many had pre-existing conditions, what treatments were applied? Regeneron, convalesent plasma, steroids, etc. etc.

[LifeLongDemocratic]

25. I agree it would be nice to have stats to truly see

[Skittles]

3. keep masking, people

it ain't over

[SheltieLover]

8. +1,000!

😷

[Skittles]

12. I have had it

I think about what my mum and her family when through in England during WWII and then I see these fucking assholes in America who won't get vaccinated, whine about WEARING MASKS fer chrissakes - ENOUGH ALREADY.

[beaglelover]

5. What percentage of fully vaxed people in IL does this represent? Couldn't find that number in the

article. Thanks.

[SheltieLover]

9. Sorry, don't know.

[beaglelover]

13. According to Google 6.2 million people are fully vaxed in IL.

So, these breakthrough cases and deaths are not even a blip on the radar and are to be expected. Nothing to panic over.

[NutmegYankee]

16. Driving a car is literally more dangerous.

Like 5x riskier for death. Over 1100 a year dead in traffic accidents in IL.

[beaglelover]

20. Yep. How do we ever leave our houses for fear of all the ways we could DIE each day!!!

[ismnotwasm]

52. It's Not about dying for me.

It’s about spreading to those who could die.

Prudence at this point is called for. Not “cowering in fear” whatever that’s supposed to mean. I live in a high vaccinated area. I feel fairly safe. Still I mask when I feel it’s prudent to do so, or it’s still required.

I am also an RN in a big hospital who wears a face mask and eye protection all day at work. I have spent hours in covid rooms. I do NOT work on a covid floor, either.

We are waiting for a fifth wave of unvaccinated and we are just now allowing 2 visitors a day, from 1, and prior to that, none.


Respectful prudence is the key.

[bdjhawk]

70. Well said!

Yesterday after doing some masked grocery shopping, I was leaving the store and a couple with the cutest little boy was coming into the store- all were masked. I looked at that little guy and thought “this is why I will continue to wear a mask”. Kids can’t be vaccinated yet and there are some adults who can’t or who are vaccinated and are immune compromised.

Liberals care about others, including those they will never know, society at large, humankind. Right wingers are selfish and greedy and care only for those who benefit themselves.

To call respect and compassion “cowering in fear” is just plain ignorant.

[PufPuf23]

85. You do not understand the risk assessment enough to voice

an opinion so please do not comment on what you do not understand.

This is said in kindness.

[lapucelle]

51. Nationally, if you crunch the numbers

the rate of hospitalization and/or death for fully vaccinated adults is 0.0027%.



https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

[Ms. Toad]

74. A snapshot in time of those who have been vaccinated and not yet gotten COVID

is not indictive of long-term outcome.

The same was said at the beginning of COVID: It's just a small percentage of people getting COVID. There are very few deaths relative to the population so it's nothing to fear.

A year and a piece later, with more exposure, there are more than 600,000 dead.

You cannot calculate an overall rate of hospitalization/death based on a snapshot in time of poeple who have had vaccinations (and post-exposure vaccination time for varying lengths of time), much of it during remediation, prior to Delta becoming the most common form of COVID.

[lapucelle]

75. No one said what is known now is indicative of long term outcome, least of all the CDC.

And the CDC/NIH/WHO never promulgated this point of view:

The same was said at the beginning of COVID: It's just a small percentage of people getting COVID. There are very few deaths relative to the population so it's nothing to fear.

Where did that come from?

There's data on post-covid conditions, but research is ongoing:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/post-covid-conditions.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Fclinical-care%2Flate-sequelae.html

Here is the latest information on interim public health recommendations for fully vaccinated people:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

[Ms. Toad]

80. Those are statements made on DU, and in real life,

In January - March 2020 by people minimizing the likelihood that COVID was a serious threat.

The data you are citing includes data from people who been vaccinated only days to weeks. Just like the fact that a person who was not infected in March 2020 could later be infected, a person included in your denominator as vaccinated who is not now hospitalized or dead could still become hospitalized or die. In other words, the numerator will almost certainly grow - relative to the denominator, over time - increasing that .0027% (Ultimately, it will likely settle at around .1% for death for mRNA vaccines 2% of the 5% of cases that are breakthrough cases - given a 50-50 population, and higher for hospitalizations))

The calculation you are doing is hospitalized or dead/#vaccinated). To be accurate, you have to wait until you know definitively for every single person included in the denominator that they either did or (never did) come down with COVID.

[lapucelle]

81. That's why recommendations based on continually updated data and an evolving virus

are labeled "interim".

The CDC is well aware of the limitations of the data and uses the very word you chose ("snapshot" ) to characterize their statistics. That's why the CDC reports confirmed numbers rather than percentages.

How to interpret these data

The number of COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC likely are an undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons. National surveillance relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data might not be complete or representative. These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

Do you have a source for the predictions in your parenthetical?

[femmedem]

7. Thanks for the info! Still very effective, but I wish it said if the percentage is shifting now.

In other words, is the percentage of serious breakthrough cases increasing as the Delta variant becomes dominant.

[SheltieLover]

11. YW! 👍

I agree! Sorry there wasn't more info.

Israel found fully vaxed with Pfizer 64% effective. And they are rolling out 3rd shots as boosters.

[NutmegYankee]

14. Out of 6 million people fully vaccinated.

For perspective, traffic accidents kill over 1000 per year in that state. It’s more dangerous to drive/ride in a car.

[beaglelover]

17. Don't bring MATH into this freakout!!!!

It will ruin the daily fear porn narrative!!!

[NutmegYankee]

21. ;)

[Blue_true]

33. ....

[beaglelover]

89. LOL!!

[LifeLongDemocratic]

24. Double bonus

If I work from home another year I will be protecting myself from COVID and a car accident.

[Blue_true]

34. Well, that is one way at looking at two risk situations. nt

[Initech]

37. Pfft.... facts! Who needs them? Only outrage matters!

[wiggs]

71. Are you suggesting we not drive carefully because chances of dying in a car accident are low? And

how many of the 6 million have been exposed? Exposed to Delta? If half of the 6 million vaccinated have been wearing masks is that an endorsement that masks should be worn even by the vaccinated?

So to be fully informed, we'd like to know how many of the unmasked, vaccinated people were EXPOSED to Delta, got infected, but were NOT hospitalized...I'd like to know what their experiences have been. Did they pass it along? Did they have any symptoms? Delta hasn't been around that long, but are they experiencing symptoms for more than a week, as in long covid? It's not relevant how many people were vaccinated, still wear masks, and have not been exposed.

[NutmegYankee]

79. Have you finished beating your straw man yet?

Would you like some Gatorade or a snickers bar?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

19. The tone of the article does not sound nearly as dramatic as the headline

The doctor describes the breakthrough cases as "unicorns" and touts the effectiveness of vaccines.

[ProfessorGAC]

65. Good Catch!

The headline is intentionally provocative while the article actually informs that the vaccines are remarkably effective.

[LifeLongDemocratic]

22. Staying home

I am not going back to office when it opens up again. I will get a doctors note and work from home another year. My dog will love having me home full time.

[Treefrog]

60. A "doctor's note?"

Saying what exactly?

[uponit7771]

23. 650 Hospitalized or dead people out of 6.2 million in how long? If we're talking about 4 months that

... is still fairly low number.

My understanding was vax wasn't inoculation

[Maine-i-ac]

38. Thank you for the denominator - very important!

So if vaccinated you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of getting COVID complications.

What are your chances if not vaccinated??

All but 650 of the COVID cases would have been unvaccinated people. 1.4 million infected and 25,000 deaths among the unvaccinated.

With roughly half the population vaccinated now, you're something like 400x more likely to get sick if not vaccinated. (crude numbers).

Why is the "400x more likely to get sick without a jab" not making news, but a few hundred breakthrough infections among millions of vaccines is a big issue?

[lapucelle]

54. Since January 1...

... 7.5 months.

According to data updated Wednesday by the Illinois Department of Public Health, 151 people in Illinois have died due to COVID-19 or complications after being fully vaccinated. That figure equates to 2.2% of COVID-19 deaths in the state since Jan. 1, officials said.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/151-dead-563-hospitalized-in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases/2556408/

[bottomofthehill]

27. I am willing to bet my entire bank account that 150 people in the US did

Not die of lightning strikes, let alone 150 in Illinois.

We do have to learn to live with it, but part of that is quarantining the hot spots to cut the transmission. It is also getting vaccinated to cut down the hot spots.

[RockRaven]

30. Alternate headline: "97.8% of IL COVID-19 deaths since Jan 1 were unvaccinated"

I guess that doesn't generate the clicks the same way...

[Dream Girl]

35. And these numbers link up with predicted efficacy rates. In fact wasnt Pzier supposed to be 90%

or 92% effective against hospitalizations and 99% agains death. These numbers look pretty darned close.

[LisaL]

59. How many people were vaccinated in January?

They are starting to count way to early.

[roamer65]

63. "Pandemic of the unvaccinated".

Fitting name for it now, as seen used elsewhere.

[WarGamer]

31. scary as hell.

[madville]

41. It's actually good news

The vaccines are working better than originally thought. We are never getting rid of COVID, there will always be a new variant so we have to just learn to live it and get on with life.

[Mariana]

46. Why?

It shows the vaccines are working extremely well.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

39. So how many unvaccinated have been hospitalized or died

in the same time period? It makes it sound like vaccination is useless, that fully vaccinated are dropping like flies. Plus, almost every other part of the country reports that nearly 100% of those hospitalized or dying were not vaccinated.

And as someone else has already asked, what kind of other health conditions or co-morbidities did any of them have?

[joetheman]

40. This info does not square with the talking point that 99% of COVID deaths are unvaxxed.

151 fully vaxxed dead ???? Someone needs to clean up their talking points. If this is true, Biden needs to update his message accordingly.

If the 151 dead were fully vaxxed, does this mean that the variant is growing more potent day by day ?

[beaglelover]

42. To answer your question....no.

[Mariana]

49. That's true. In Illinois, only about 98% of Covid deaths aren't fully vaccinated.

According to data updated Wednesday by the Illinois Department of Public Health, 151 people in Illinois have died due to COVID-19 or complications after being fully vaccinated. That figure equates to 2.2% of COVID-19 deaths in the state since Jan. 1, officials said.

[LisaL]

58. Those kind of statements are somewhat misleading, though.

Not a lot of people were vaccinated in January 2021.
Delta wasn't yet circulating in January 2021.
What is the percentage of fully vaccinated people who died in June/July?

[ProfessorGAC]

77. Phase 1a Started In Illinois in December

1b started around January 20. My wife & I got our first shot in late Feb/early March. Her because she was 65, me because I'm a substitute teacher.
1c started in around mid March. That was the "everyone over 17" phase.
1a was medical professionals and first responders plus some highly at-risk folks, like conjugate settings. (My BiL got his in very early February at his assisted living place.)
We're at about 4 months where anybody who wanted the vax could get it. But, a pretty sizeable chunk of our population here was getting vaxxed in February.
It's definitely 4.5, if not 5 months for the period of these data.

[LisaL]

78. But in January still very few people were vaccinated.

So of course nearly 100 % who died in January are going to be un-vaccinated.
To really know the death toll of delta on the vaccinated, they need to tell what is happening since most people who wanted to vaccinate have gotten vaccinated.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. No Disagreement, Here

I was just providing detail on the vax phase timeline.
There is, however, a solid 4 months of data for Illinois.

[Midnight Writer]

45. I feel lucky to have lived as long as I have, and I ain't gonna fuck around with this Covid shit.

I will do whatever I need to do to enhance my protection from it.

Masks, shots, distancing?

Bring it on.

I only got one life and I do not intend to piss it away or to sacrifice it to people who act like spoiled children.

[SunImp]

53. I guess some people owe MsToad an apology

[Calculating]

55. WHy?

Death is still extremely unlikely if you're vaccinated, with vaccinated people only making up around 2% of covid deaths. Seems like the vaccine is quite effective.

[SoonerPride]

61. Looks like the vaccines are highly effective. Thanks for the good news.

[SheltieLover]

62. For hospitization & death for sure!

But long-haul can & does occur in fully vaxed people with asymptomatic & mild cases.

Please be careful!

😷

[SoonerPride]

64. No worries about that either.

No evidence of long haul covid for vaccinated people.

[SheltieLover]

66. Talk to OhioChick. She & her 2 ER Dr. sons fit these categories

[SoonerPride]

67. There's always a small percentage chance of anything

The only way to stay 100% safe is to never leave your house.

Ever.

I’m not fretting over statistically insignificant risks.

YMMV.

[SheltieLover]

68. I'm not fretting either. Taking appropriate precautions.

[beaglelover]

69. It's nice to see another voice of sanity in this thread!

[SoonerPride]

72. There is a certain contingent that seems to love terror porn

I don’t get it.

I’m following the news and the science.

Those who are unvaccinated are idiots.

Those who are vaccinated are pretty darn safe.

That’s pretty much the end of the story.

[Ace Rothstein]

76. +1

[llmart]

83. +1000