24 year old man and 12 year old girl arrive at Oklahoma hospital "excited to deliver their newborn"

[Demovictory9]

An Oklahoma man has been arrested and charged with first-degree rape after allegedly impregnating a 12-year-old girl.

Juan Miranda-Jara, 24, was arrested on July 14 after the girl went into labor and he brought her to a local hospital for her to deliver the baby, according to the Tulsa Police Department.

After police arrived on scene, Miranda-Jara allegedly admitted to investigators that he was the biological father of the baby.

Miranda-Jara also told officers that he has been "in a relationship" with the pregnant girl since October, police said in a news release.

The age of consent in Oklahoma is 16.

"They walked in just like any other couple would excited to deliver their newborn child," Officer Danny Bean told FOX23.

According to the outlet, investigators believe Miranda-Jara was fully expecting to go home with the girl and the newborn baby as if he had done nothing illegal. While the relationship between Miranda-Jara and the girl is unclear, Bean said that police "don't believe this is incest at this time."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-arrested-and-charged-with-rape-after-pregnant-12-year-old-girl-was-brought-to-hospital/ar-AAMpTQr?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[SoCalDavidS]

1. So.....Oklahoma?

Yeah, that checks out.

Any relation?

[BigmanPigman]

6. No surprise there.

OK is not OK.

[Ilsa]

2. Have they determined where her family is?

Is she a runaway? Was she trafficked?

[Demovictory9]

5. no other info...still looking

[Journeyman]

3. I wonder what this man's mental condition will prove to be . . .

seems odd, he'd walk into a hospital believing there's nothing wrong and expect he'd be allowed to waltz back out with a second child.

I saw an article earlier today that said other members of his family knew all about this relationship and hadn't done anything about it. Again, makes me question to mental capacities of everyone involved.

[Celerity]

13. they gave them a baby shower

[LiberatedUSA]

27. That is fucked up. N/t

[BradAllison]

45. Looks like a solid citizen n/m

[Initech]

4. What the fucking fuck????

[ItsjustMe]

7. Oklahoma man arrested after 12-year-old arrives at Tulsa hospital 9 months pregnant

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215647320

[left-of-center2012]

10. Thank you for posting that

By the way, I used two sources for my thread.

More info is available on them. We are limited on how much we can post here.

[meadowlander]

8. I wonder if they should be publicising this...

whether or not the effect is going to be under-16 girls trying to deliver at home out of fear that the fathers will be arrested at the hospital.

[rampartc]

22. +1

what about the baby, now left to be raised by a 12 year old girl .......

[bluecollar2]

9. Oklahoma...

Enough said.

[left-of-center2012]

11. Check out the thread I posted earlier today on this

The link to it is in "it's just me" post
#7 above.

I used two sources for my thread so there is more info at those links.

[Demovictory9]

12. thx...family was ok with this

[GulfCoast66]

14. Oklahoma man my ass. This may get me my first hide here in years

But I need to type it. My extended family is from very red states near Oklahoma. And are generally hard core trump fans. Not all. I’ve got a few liberal family members.

But all of them would be outraged at a 24 year old impregnating a 12 year old child. Or even looking at her with prurient thoughts. They are not supporters of fucking 12 year olds.

This is a clear example of a situation where immigrants don’t automatically accept our values. I’m a big supporter of immigrants. But we need to have a hard fucking line where our values are concerned. In many countries having sex and marrying any post pubescent teen is cool. It’s not here. And never should be.

This bullshit has nothing to do with Republican politics. I’d not be shocked if her family was down with the situation. Otherwise why would he had not already been arrested? Some 24 year old knock up my 12 year old he’d be lucky to end up in jail. Not many situations I could envision myself killing a man short of defending a family member from death. But have sex with my 12 year old you better hope the cops get to you before me. Maybe not liberal. But the truth.

Just trying to keep it honest here.

[GulfCoast66]

17. Well, thanks for the support.

We can blame trump supporters for many things. Well deserved.

But support for fucking 12 year olds is not one of their vices.

[choie]

50. Except those who were friends of Jeffrey Epstein

N/t

[Scrivener7]

23. You get the prize for the most baseless racist claim of the day.

Congratulations.

You should self delete this bigoted shit.

[GulfCoast66]

30. Racist? Did you see the photo of the guy.

Looked no different than thousands of people I’ve seen in Italy. Or France for that matter. People whose families have lived there forever. He looks as European as I do.

I support amnesty for all undocumented immigrants that are not criminals and much more liberal immigration policies.

I’ve supported many immigrants at work over the years. Hiring them, promoting them and counseling them on things like home ownership and savings. Mainly Haitians, who are black. But that does not keep me from admitting the largest challenge I’ve faced is helping them understand how women are to be treated and even talked about.

It’s not racist to talk about the fact that many of the immigrants to this country come from places where the sexualizing of women and young girls is commonplace and more socially acceptable than in our country. I know from experience that belief does not leave them the minute they cross our boarder.

Does sexual abuse of young girls happen in all nations? Of course it does.

But the fact this dude took her to the hospital and freely admitted he was the father is a big tell that he saw nothing wrong with his actions.

I see nothing racist with talking about that situation.

[Scrivener7]

40. Racist as fuck.

Of a man impregnating an 11 or 12 year old, you say:

This is a clear example of a situation where immigrants don’t automatically accept our values. I’m a big supporter of immigrants. But we need to have a hard fucking line where our values are concerned. In many countries having sex and marrying any post pubescent teen is cool. It’s not here. And never should be.

As if there are any "immigrant communities" where it is ok to impregnate an 11 or 12 year old.

This is not a "clear example" of anything on which you can make a blanket comment about "immigrants."

Disgusting.

And no, clearly you need to rethink that self image where you're "a big supporter of immigrants."

Now go ahead and repeat how you employ them and how that makes you not racist.

Your comments are racist as fuck.

[LeftInTX]

57. I did a background check on the mom and BF

They aren't citizens or even residents...

So Gulf Coast 66 might be correct.

If they were US citizens, they may have been a bit more cognizant of the situation and not shown up at the hospital like, "hey"..."why's everyone frowning?", "why is everyone looking at us?", "what's wrong with everyone?"

I think they weren't quite aware of rules and customs.

[LeftInTX]

59. The Latino community does not support impregnating 11 and 12 year olds

My husband is Latino. My kids are Latino.

I'm just saying that when this dude and his GF went to the hospital, they acted like her being pregnant was not a crime.

I do know that young girls all over this US still get pregnant and this happens regardless of the ethnicity. This case made headlines because they walked into the hospital and seemed obliviously to possible legal consequences.

I also used to work at the county hospital. Years ago, young girls would usually be with their parents and instead of the BF...This was in the 80s and 90s. I do not know what the legal age for marrying was at the time, but I do know when I was in HS, I had friends who were pregnant and married at age 14. My friends were white and this was in the 70s.

I really do not know the current procedure in the US and Oklahoma when a girl age 11-12 shows up for prenatal care.

I do know that it still happens. It happens with all ethnic groups in the US. It just isn't in the headlines.

[Scrivener7]

60. GulfCoast's argument is that this is accepted in "immigrant communities," and they don't

"share our values" and we can't let them taint us with this kind of thing. Which is a disgusting and ignorant argument.

You said Gulf Coast might be correct.

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, but Gulf Coast is definitely not correct. And whether they were or were not US citizens does not change the fact that what they did was sick but it was IN NO WAY a cultural act.

I will delete my post, though.

[LeftInTX]

61. Thx...yes it is not accepted and not representative of the community

[LeftInTX]

62. Oh and I will add:

In most cases of young pregnancies, the first point of contact is usually a school counselor....
They work with the families and the pregnancy does not make headlines...

Covid might be a reason that this pregnancy did not follow the usual first point of contact.

[Scrivener7]

65. That's a good point.

[GusBob]

64. Yep

Racist AF
The fact that the poster doesn’t realize It is bothersome

‘Dont automatically accept our values’ WTF right wing dog whistle

[Elessar Zappa]

41. I'm very familiar with Mexican culture.

I’ve lived around it my whole life and even lived there for a few years. In no way is a man impregnating a 12 year old child part of their culture. The man would be run out of town in a hurry.

[meadowlander]

43. Assuming its immigrants is racist.

It's not like we don't have polygamist Mormon sects in the mid-West that think it's fine to marry girls off at puberty.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/warren-jeffs-rape-trial-hears-audio-girls-alleged/story?id=14221603

[Scrivener7]

48. There was a whole movie about how Loretta Lynn married at 13 to a grown man. And

it won awards and lots of accolades.

According to the racist poster, this must be a "clear example" of how white American culture is based on horrible values. You know, I'm sure he's a big supporter of hill people. "But" according to the racist poster "we need to have a hard fucking line where our values are concerned." That one example must be all the proof that poster needs to state categorically that in white America, "having sex and marrying any post pubescent teen is cool."

I'm sure you see how asinine that statement is. But I am also sure the racist poster doesn't.

[alphafemale]

54. Exactly. It is the religious culture marrying little girls to rapists.

Blaming it on a Hispanic culture is bull spit.

It was common among many white families in living memory.

[obamanut2012]

24. Thank you

The Floriduh thing is the same, and pisses me off.

[kcr]

29. "This is a clear example of a situation where immigrants don't automatically accept our values."

Wow. Also, sad and suprised at some of the DUers agreeing with this bigotry.

[GulfCoast66]

36. I've hired and promote immigrants for 25 years

The largest challenge I’ve had to help them overcome is their treatment of females. I’ve had to fire many for inappropriate behavior towards females. I could pretend it is not often an issue and not trouble people on DU about it, but we generally like to deal with reality here.

And did you read the article and see a photo of the dude? He looked European to me. No different than the population I’ve seen in Italy and France. Never been to Spain, but I’m thinking he would look like a native.

The fact that he openly and honestly took her to the hospital to have the child tells the story.

It is not racist to admit many immigrants come from cultures where the acceptable treatment of females is totally different than here.

I support more immigration and amnesty for those here. That does not mean I blind myself with the challenges that sometimes presents. Because I’ve dealt with it for a long time.

[Scrivener7]

38. It is TOTALLY racist to state that impregnating 12 year olds is part of "immigrant culture."

You can deny that all you like. It just makes the racism of your comments clearer.

[GulfCoast66]

42. Even in a case where the immigrants are Caucasian?

Because it looks to me like he is.

And we still have rampant misogyny in the US. But in much of the world it is way worse. Even in own hemisphere. He obviously thought it was no big deal. And her family?

I do not think it at all racist to state the truth. That in many, if not most cultures on the planet misogyny is a worse problem than here, where it is still a big issue. It is not realistic to expect those mores to leave a person when they come here.

You don’t have to go back very far in our history to find our attitudes about sex with young girls were permissive. My great grandmother was married at 14! My great grandfather knocked her up. But since he agreed to marry her everything was cool. Rural Arkansas. Today my relatives would be out for blood.

Until fairly recently many states allowed girls as young as 13 to be married. Some may still legally allow it, but it no longer culturally acceptable.

I don’t see anything racist about saying that often times immigrants from other countries, regardless of their color, bring cultural attitudes with them that are not acceptable here. I’ve dealt with it for years at work.

But that is no reason to limit immigration. Because my experience has taught me these attitudes can quickly change when in an environment where they are culturally unacceptable.

[Scrivener7]

44. Aren't you precious. And transparent.

[choie]

51. Because American men

don’t treat women like shit?

[treestar]

32. Maybe she's not 12?

I hope she is older and the hospital people misunderstood.

And the Mexican culture is not really down with it either, I would bet. Maybe they joined a church?

[Scrivener7]

35. OF COURSE Mexican culture is not down with it. Those here who are suggesting they are

are just racist slobs.

And PS, if you want to see ridiculous numbers of child pregnancies, I recommend you don't go looking at the "immigrant" communities. You look at the ultra pious white mormon groups. And certain poor white "communities."

Let's make a blanket statement about white people based on Loretta Lynn's marriage at 13, shall we? It would be the same thing as what these racists are doing in this thread.

Sad, the attitudes that are circulating around here lately.

[Oneironaut]

33. In very misogynist cultures, this is seen as ok.

Their culture is wrong and this is disgusting. There is no excuse - someone who is 12 year old is literally a child.

[Scrivener7]

37. Give any link that suggests that Latino cultures see this as OK.

Any statistic, any cultural practice, anything.

Their culture is not wrong, you are. Also, completely racist.

[choie]

52. We live in a misogynist culture

Look who our last president was

[BradAllison]

46. That's ridiculous

There are plenty of cases where white folks have children with children and it's seen as "god's will" and that's that.

And there are just as many minorities/immigrants who'd be repulsed by this.

There are also people who won't weigh in on this here because their fine that it's not Cletus and BobbiSoxxer-Joe having a kid.

And there are Trump people in OK who'll want this guy hung because it isn't the color they want overpopulating.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

16. I don't know the age of consent in Tennessee, but...

... during my honeymoon in Gatlinburg many years ago, there was some big bearded guy holding hands and passionately kissing some girl who looked like an elementary school student.

I couldn't help but stare at them while inside a convenience store, and wondering if I should do something, but my newlywed wife was in a hurry to spend even more money on entertainment. Lol.

The people around there acted like it was perfectly normal too, which also blew my mind.

[GulfCoast66]

18. I can't speak for hill country Tennessee.

But in rural Arkansas and Louisiana fucking a 12 year old will get you dead mighty quick.

Getting arrested would be your best option.

I’m against the death penalty and certainly against vigilante violence. But if someone raped my 12 year old daughter I’m not sure I would live my values.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

19. I feel the same way.

The incident outside of Gatlinburg was the most bizarre example of that sort of thing that I've ever witnessed.

I hope the girl was just small and extremely underdeveloped for her age, but there's NO WAY that she was 18 years old. Yet the guy looked like some "Bubba" in his 30's.

My wife (now ex-wife) didn't want me to do anything, telling me to just forget it. Ugh.

[GulfCoast66]

20. I grew up in Louisiana and Arkansas. Spent months in the summer with my rural family

But went to University in Kentucky.

Those mountain folks are truly a different kettle of fish. They were insular for a hell of a long time.

So I can’t speak for them.

But in rural Arkansas and Louisiana having sex with a 12 year old is not acceptable. Conservative, liberal or non political. It is unacceptable.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

21. If my newlywed wife hadn't been so concerned...

... about me "ruining" our honeymoon, I probably would've called the local police about it.

The "Bubba" guy and tiny girl kept lingering around that small store too, like they were "showing off" or something. So damn weird.

Edit: That was about 27 years ago, btw.

[left-of-center2012]

25. Was she 11 when she got pregnant?

She is 12 at the time she's delivering the baby.

I wonder if she was 11 at the time she got pregnant 9 months earlier.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. Lol at people acting like this happens only in Oklahoma, "the South," "rural areas" or "red states."

[obamanut2012]

34. Right?

It's maddening, and has always been like that on here.

[BradAllison]

47. It's not "only" happening there, and of course you know we all know that.

Now while we're here, let's talk about what states demand and advocate "Abstinence Only" education? I'm looking at you.....er....uh......Vermont. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Paladin]

28. I hope the baby is healthy, and that it is adopted by a decent family. (nt)

[LiberalFighter]

31. Were any doctors that saw her during the pregnancy know about it? Why didn't they report?

[Wingus Dingus]

39. That's a good question. Maybe she was instructed to lie on her medical questionnaires.

[LeftInTX]

55. I would not be surprised if she did not have prenatal care

It is not that uncommon where I live in San Antonio

Avoiding prenatal care is often employed by pregnant women with substance abuse issues. I can see avoiding prenatal care in this case.

[Deep State Witch]

56. Chances of her getting prenatal care

Are slim to none.

[Takket]

49. so how come this guy got arrested immidiately.....

and matt gaetz is still walking around?

[LeftInTX]

63. Cuz the guy was stupider than Matt Gaetz

Guy walks into hospital and says, "I'm the baby dad. I'm over 18 and she's 12"

Actually many young girls still get pregnant here in the US. It just doesn't makes headlines. Usually the guy is also under 18 himself, so I have no idea what happens to those guys.

[LeftInTX]

53. Mother of 12 year who gave birth arrested. Family knew, had thrown baby shower

https://www.newser.com/story/309192/mother-arrested-after-girl-12-gives-birth.html

Tulsa woman Desiree Castaneda was arrested Thursday, two weeks after she became a grandmother at the age of 33. Police say she was charged with child neglect and enabling child sex abuse after her 12-year-old daughter gave birth, People reports. Juan Miranda-Jara, a 24-year-old who admitted being the father, was arrested while the girl was in labor on July 14. "They walked in [to the hospital] just like any other couple would excited to deliver their newborn child," Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23. When police arrived at the hospital, they say Miranda-Jara acted unsure as to why they were there.

He told investigators he had been in a "relationship" with the girl since October. He was charged with first-degree rape of a minor. Police say their investigation revealed that the girl's family members knew Miranda-Jara had been having sex with her and even threw a baby shower for them, KTUL reports. Oklahoma's age of consent is 16. The girl's father is in

Should have been taking care of her daughter as opposed to watching youtube make up videos...

Better link from People Magazine: https://people.com/crime/mom-arrested-after-12-year-old-daughter-gives-birth-to-24-year-old-mans-child/

Girl's father is in prison for rape...(not for raping his daughter though)