Retired US general says TFG 'was complicit in the planning' of the January 6 insurrection

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who was tasked by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with conducting a review of the US Capitol's security after January 6, on Tuesday said President Donald Trump's White House was complicit in orchestrating the insurrection.

"It's my personal opinion that the executive branch was complicit in the planning and the delayed response that occurred in bringing in more federal assistance to the Capitol that day," Honoré said during an MSNBC appearance, underscoring that he had not reached this conclusion from the security review he spearheaded.

"That's my own perception, based on what I've seen and what I've heard and by the fact the former president is continuing to tell people, 'This was not a riot, it meant no harm, it was like a picnic,'" Honoré said, adding, "The last I heard from him, he told them to go to the Capitol and raise hell."

During an incendiary speech near the White House shortly before the violence at the Capitol, Trump told lies about the 2020 election and called on his supporters to "fight like hell."

Link to tweet

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/retired-us-general-says-the-trump-white-house-was-complicit-in-the-planning-of-january-6-insurrection/ar-AAMF7zJ

[highplainsdem]

1. K&R!

[itcfish]

2. Sorry to Ask

But what does TFG stand for?

[uponit7771]

3. The former guy

[oldsoftie]

52. And all this time I thought it was "that fucking goober"

Either way works for me!
Another favorite; "Grifter in Chief"

[itcfish]

58. Thank you

N/T

[Hekate]

5. Biden dismissively referred to Trump as "the former guy" and it stuck

[brewens]

42. He who's name we do not speak, at least I try not to. When I use TFG, it's usually in

context that makes it obvious what I'm talking about. Or I include a pic or vid of what I'm talking about. I'm usually tring to yank FG follower chains and that's no fun if they don't get it.

[NurseJackie]

8. It's a stupid fad. As you see, it interferes with clear communication.

Sorry to Ask

You're not the only one who needed to ask. It's a juvenile fad that I hope ends soon.

[maxsolomon]

13. The Former Guy is a Malignant Narcissistic Sociopath.

He thrives when his Surname is repeated by everyone all over the world. It's what he lives for: Fame.

Refusing to speak it, or type it, is a small way of fighting back against that monstrous ego, of demonstrating disrespect, and I think that's why Biden coined it. Clearly it's struck a chord with DUers.

I've called him The Dotard ever since NK did, but TFG is pretty good - it reminds us that he's actually gone.

[NurseJackie]

16. Yes, I'm sure he peruses DU counting how many times his name appears in print.

He thrives when his Surname is repeated by everyone all over the world.

Yes, I'm sure he peruses DU counting how many times his name appears in print.

Refusing to speak it, or type it, is a small way of fighting back against that monstrous ego, of demonstrating disrespect, and I think that's why Biden coined it.

Really? "Fighting back" how? What meaningful thing does it accomplish? Do you think he cares how he's referred to on DU?

Clearly it's struck a chord with DUers.

Clearly it's a fad. That doesn't make it any less juvenile or ridiculous.

it reminds us that he's actually gone.

Reminds? Are people's memories that short and fragile?

[maxsolomon]

20. Obviously we're not going to agree on this.

The Dotard is not literally counting his mentions on DU, of course, but he does thrive on his fame or infamy. I don't think it is juvenile or ridiculous to refuse to speak his name. Biden apparently agrees, since he coined the term.

Perhaps using that acronym is more in the category of "self-care" for DUers like me. I know that I don't enjoy typing his surname. I did NOT enjoy staying in a Chicago hotel with a view of his surname across the river, either. I would like him blotted from History and I know that won't happen.

So "TFG" is a small comfort, and not as childish as many others, like Mango Mussolini or Agolf Twitler.

[NurseJackie]

24. If saying "Trump" is so distressing, then why talk about politics at all?

I don't think it is juvenile or ridiculous to refuse to speak his name.

Of course it is. If saying "Trump" is so distressing, then why talk about politics at all?

I know that I don't enjoy typing his surname.

Then perhaps DU is not the best place for people who have such delicate sensibilities.

Biden apparently agrees, since he coined the term.

That's an overstatement of a weak justification. Bide doesn't refer to Trump that way. It was a throwaway-line, used once, back in February. Biden doesn't continue to refer to Trump in that manner. It's just something that people have glommed onto and have turned into a trendy fad.

So "TFG" is a small comfort, and not as childish as many others, like Mango Mussolini or Agolf Twitler.

No. They're all equally juvenile.

Here's a helpful tip: If typing t-r-u-m-p is so distressing. How about using something that's more easily understood by ordinary adults... folks who are NOT a part of the cool-kids or "in-crowd". Oh, maybe "DT" or DJT or "45" ... those will allow people to not sully their keyboards and minds, but STILL it has the advantage of being more easily understood by the casual reader.

And using people's actual names has the added benefit of NOT making people feel foolish because they don't get the in-joke... and without having to disrupt the discussion with subthreads like this one.

All I'm saying is that if people want to have adult political conversations with other adults, then everyone be mature enough to deal with their anger, or PTSD from having to look out of a hotel window at the "TRUMP" name on a building... without having to use cryptic nicknames or ever-changing acronyms or other poopy-pants insults. In the race to out-cute each other and playing "follow-the-leader" with these types of trends... it only creates more confusion.

[happy feet]

30. I too CHOOSE

to refer to him as 'the former guy'. It's much more courteous than the other names I've used to refer to him without speaking his name. and I talk politics with friends and family ALL THE TIME. The two are not mutually exclusive. That's my informed opinion. Good for my self-care.

[NurseJackie]

34. What's wrong with speaking his name? He's not going to appear in a mirror and eat you.

It's much more courteous than the other names I've used to refer to him without speaking his name.

What's wrong with speaking his name? He's not going to appear in a mirror and eat you.

Good for my self-care.

In the end, it's still just a juvenile fad that will pass (sooner rather than later, I hope.)

[Roy Rolling]

43. My Solution?

I refer to him as 45ii.

45ii

45th president, twice-impeached.

Not a fad, a fact.

[NurseJackie]

44. "45" makes sense, it's easily understood, it doesn't require explaining...

... and it doesn't serve as a stumbling block in the course of an online discussion.

[maxsolomon]

60. LOL (this is an acronym that means Laugh Out Loud, everyone)

'45' is ALSO a nickname for Former President of the United States of America Donald John Trump.

[NurseJackie]

62. It also means lots of love.

LOL (this is an acronym that means Laugh Out Loud, everyone)

It also means lots of love.

'45' is ALSO a nickname for Former President of the United States of America Donald John Trump.

Yes it is. Which makes infinitely more sense than the other ever-changing and juvenile nicknames/insults/acronyms that all the trendy and fad-following cool-kids use.

[ShazzieB]

21. And some of us would just rather not say or type that name if we can avoid it.

That name sparks such strong revulsion for me that I would rather avoid it.

If I really wanted to be obscure, I'd refer to him by various Shakespearean insults like I did on another online community I was posting on back in 2016. After he "won" that election, the sound of his name (even reading it silently) was so painful that I couldn't bring myself to use it. For a while, I referred to him by such sobriquets as "elvish-mark’d, abortive, rooting hog," "lump of foul deformity," and "odiferous stench."

I eventually got through that phase and put it behind me, but it was quite therapeutic for a while there.

[maxsolomon]

23. Therapeutic is exactly right.

We cope with the tools we have.

[NurseJackie]

32. Speaking in code on a discussion forum is therapeutic?

Using juvenile poopy-pants nicknames to "taunt" politicians (who'll NEVER read it anyway) is therapeutic?

Wouldn't it be easier to avoid discussing politics entirely? I mean, you're still THINKING about him (even if using cryptic code-words to refer to him) he's still ON YOUR MIND so nothing changes, right?

Personally speaking, if I was in a state of being so mentally distraught at the very mention of his name, then a POLITICAL discussion forum is the last place I'd intentionally hang out. Instead, I'd certainly find a more relaxing hobby or pastime where I didn't have to think about Trump or where I didn't need to come up with trendy nicknames for Trump. That's all I'm trying to say.

[maxsolomon]

38. I said we're not going to agree.

Different Strokes for Different Folks.

[NurseJackie]

39. Nobody said otherwise.

I said we're not going to agree.

Nobody said otherwise.

[wnylib]

48. Abreviations are juvenile?

Some of us are just happy that he IS former, and a 3 letter abreviation is simpler and quicker to type than the three word phrase.

Are you also offended by other terms, e.g. rethuglicans, slobfather, orange menace, etc.?

You say tomato, I say tomahto.

Is it really worth getting so worked up about?

[NurseJackie]

51. Nobody said that.

Some of us are just happy that he IS former, and a 3 letter abreviation is simpler and quicker to type than the three word phrase.

It's silly. Why use it at all. We all know he's the former president. He has a name. It's Trump.

Abreviations are juvenile?

Nobody said that.

Are you also offended by other terms, e.g. rethuglicans, slobfather, orange menace, etc.?

I never said I was offended. What I did say is that it's juvenile.

Is it really worth getting so worked up about?

Lulz! Is it worth all these creative (albeit absurd) defenses and making excuses for mature adults to follow a childish fad that contributes nothing to the conversation and instead, as is evident in this very thread, serves as a stumbling block to the clear exchange of information and ideas. It's ridiculous.

[wnylib]

53. You sound more distraught

than the people who say they can't use his name.

I have no problem with saying Trump. But I also have no problem with typing TFG.

Mountain ... Molehill.

Have a nice day.

[NurseJackie]

55. GMAFB!

You sound more distraught

GMAFB! It's not about me.

I have no problem with saying Trump. But I also have no problem with typing TFG.

Mountain ... Molehill.

Yet so much effort is made in defending that molehill.

[wnylib]

57. Whatever.

[NurseJackie]

59. Exactly.

[wnylib]

65. 'bye.

[NurseJackie]

67. See you soon!

[murielm99]

14. It's just an acronym.

It's harmless.

I don't use it IRL. I say, "the former President." I don't like to use his name.

[NurseJackie]

18. No, it's just a stupid fad.

It's harmless.

It's a stumbling block for having an intelligent and adult conversation and exchange of information. Either the information, news, idea, editorial isn't conveyed quickly and clearly... or someone has to interrupt and ask what it means. And here we are again.

I've heard others who continue to use it try to justify it by explaining that it "hurts Trump's feelings" or it screws with Google's algorithms (or some other equally contrived and nonsensical reason).

I guess people think they're being clever and original by following-the-crowd on this... but I guess that's the nature of fads. Everyone thinks is their "own" idea or that it's the greatest thing since paper napkins. (It's not.)

[Woodwizard]

19. I use 45 or the Orange Menace.

No figuring what they mean. Just cannot say the name.

[NurseJackie]

26. If saying "Trump" is so distressing, then why talk about politics at all?

Just cannot say the name.

It's difficult for me to imagine that level of emotional fragility in anyone. Can you explain what it's like? Help me understand.

[Woodwizard]

29. Oh Please......................................

[NurseJackie]

33. Exactly.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

[Woodwizard]

35. What is ridiculous is how you have sunk your teeth into this. Save it for FB.

[NurseJackie]

36. The assortment of "Poopy-pants" nicknames for Trump are juvenile...

... but what's more absurd are the excuses and justifications for continuing to do so.

[Ligyron]

40. +1

[wnylib]

49. +1000.

Mountain ... Molehill

Tempest ... Teapot

[wnylib]

47. It's also quick and easy to type,

[nancy1942]

15. Thank you for asking!

I've wondered the same thing myself but didn't really want to ask for fear of being thought an idiot.
Now, thanks to you I finally know what it means...and yes, I think it's a silly thing.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. The Former Guy.

[wnylib]

46. Or, as I like to call it,

TFG - The F'ing Git.

[Hekate]

4. KnR

[ScratchCat]

6. I like the fact

That he points out what Trump is trying to say about it NOW as evidence/proof he was complicit in it.

[wnylib]

50. Yes. Why is he downplaying it

if he was not involved in orchestrating it?

[spanone]

7. K&R

[KS Toronado]

9. This just reaffirms what we have all known since Jan 6th

Now give us some proof Select Committee so we can lock him up.
Sure could a emoji with prison bars & his face behind it.

[malaise]

10. Duh!

He was and is their leader

[maxsolomon]

11. At a minimum, the Pentagon delayed the release of the Natl Guard.

For over 3 hours.

Chris Miller was installed at Defense Sec. after the election. He issued a memo Jan. 4 saying that without his “personal authorization” the D.C. Guard couldn’t “be issued weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons or ballistic protection equipment such as helmets and body armor.” That timing and topic can't be a coincidence.

Charles Flynn, Mike Flynn's brother, took the call asking for relief.

[Beringia]

12. Kick

[Wounded Bear]

17. Well, trump probably isn't smart enough to actively participate in the planning...

but not a lot of shit got done without his knowledge and imprimature.

Keep digging.

[Initech]

22. Of course he was!

[Champp]

25. K&R

Shout it from the rooftops...

[Brother Mythos]

27. I do not find it at all reassuring that the man tasked with conducting a review ...

of the US Capitol's security after the January 6th coup attempt does not have any definitive proof to offer in support of his personal opinion.

[Cha]

31. Rt TY! What we knew!

[apnu]

37. Dusting off an oldie but goodie here at DU. Trump LIHOP Jan 6th insurrection.

For the newbies: LIHOP means "Let It Happen On Purpose" Its a 9/11 thing.

[Poiuyt]

41. I haven't heard that one in a while

But according to the general, trump didn't let it happen, he made it happen.

[robbob]

54. There's an acronym for that, too

MIHOP

[apnu]

66. Yup!

MIHOP Vs LIHOP. Old as the DU hills.

[BlueWavePsych]

45. Top suspect

[llashram]

56. he must

pay for his treason

[Sunlei]

61. They need to find out who in R party sent the organised teams of violent attackers

trump was just a loud mouth fool patsy, someone in R party pays for and arranged for those men in black with backpacks.

Same thing for ordered security. At our protest the capital steps were off limits, guards wouldn't even allow a photo on capital steps. One guard even said, "you could be shot for running on the capital steps" There were lines of mounted security too, maybe 40 or 50 mounted guards and guards were armed. Whoever was in charge of security dropped the ball.

Soon as the violent attacks started at the barriers, they should have shot a couple of them & closed the building.

[Sogo]

63. Very frustrating that when he gets to the meat of the matter,

his words become garbled. I played it about 20 times and still cannot make out what he said after, "It's my personal opinion that XXXXXXXXXXXX was complicit in the planning and the delay XXXXXXX that occurred in bringing in more federal assistance to the Capitol that day."

[Sogo]

64. OK, never mind....

I just read a transcript of that sentence on another thread....

AAARRRGGGGHHHH!!