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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBayer Confirms End of Sale of Glyphosate-Based Herbicides for US Lawn & Garden Market
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Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)Good to hear it!
Botany
(70,532 posts)Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)The best way to kill kudzu that we have found, is to spray a solution of 1 gallon of vinegar to 1 cup of salt and add a squirt of dishwashing liquid. It may take more than one spraying, but will do the job. It also helps if the day is long and hot after spraying as the sun helps to bake the solution into the plant.Apr 3, 2020
Botany
(70,532 posts).... of our ecosystems then glyphosate. World wide we are losing our biodiversity, insects, birds, critters, and native
plants at a staggeringly high rate and like it or not "round up" is very good tool for ecological restoration. What
is the point in cutting out bush honeysuckle, burning bush, buckthorn, Norway maple, privet, barberry, callery
pear, bittersweet, and so on if it is just going to grow right back?
LeftInTX
(25,424 posts)I can't get goats on my easement
TexasBushwhacker
(20,205 posts)and using the biomass to make biodiesel and other fuels.
Richard D
(8,755 posts)Botany
(70,532 posts)This wooded ecosystem is now pretty much dead thanx to Asian Bush Honeysuckle.
No spring wildflowers, few native trees, no wood thrush, no box turtles, no ...
wackadoo wabbit
(1,167 posts)It's actually used as a thickening agent in much of the world.
I remember reading in a book that a Japanese tourist went to the South and commented on how lucky the people were to have such luscious kudzu crops.
Maybe if more people used kudzu as opposed to corn starch, kudzu growing like this would be a boon, not a detriment (and the cessation of RoundUp might help save the bees!).
NickB79
(19,257 posts)I spent years clearing thousands of buckthorn on the family farm. Nothing killed the roots except herbicide. Cut one down, and it would keep resprouting from the roots for years. But if you don't kill them, they kill off the ephemeral wildflowers and oak seedlings.
My 1,000 sq ft of prairie restoration wouldn't exist without glyphosate to clear the invasive grasses and weeds before seeding, and 5 yr later it's absolutely filled with bees and butterflies annually. The swallowtails and monarchs have been especially thick this year, as the drought has killed off a lot of other flowers in the neighborhood, so my yard is the place to be.
I'm still trying to get a clear photo to prove it, but I'm convinced I've seen rusty-patched bumblebees as well, an endangered species.
AwakeAtLast
(14,132 posts)Where are all my DU Veterans?
intheflow
(28,483 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)old guy
(3,283 posts)LeftInTX
(25,424 posts)That's where the damage occurs, not by people using it in their yards..Unless the person is kinda crazy....
Also glyphosate is available in many other commercial brands.....
womanofthehills
(8,722 posts)And had an accident where parts of his body got drenched with Roundup. There were no warning labels on the product saying exposure could cause cancer so he didnt panic and take a shower immediately. He just rinsed off when he got back to his workspace.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)appalachiablue
(41,153 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,465 posts)malaise
(269,093 posts)Huge news
luckone
(21,646 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)...to glufosinate based products for the last 5+ years.
I did some work with them optimizing the phase stability of the emulsification.
So, I'm not surprised at this news. It was just a matter of time.
LeftInTX
(25,424 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)Glyphosonate has lower electron density & is a somewhat larger molecule.
The routes of absorption are lower, and the molecule less reactive, so less metabolism.
In theory, it makes it safer. They had safety profile work ongoing back then, but I wasn't privvy to the data, other than basic Right-To-Know info as I was in their facilities working with it.
The basic safety data required for an SDS indicated it was safer, but it wasn't official as the products weren't ready for registration with the EPA & USDA.
So, this is all theoretical based on what I knew in 2016.
LeftInTX
(25,424 posts)Owl
(3,643 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,090 posts)Too much bottom line at stake to release an ineffective product, especially in agriculture.
What I recall is it's a bit less so on grasses, but at least as good on broadleaf species.
There's dispute on whether it's actually safer, but the data from 4-5 years ago showed exposure level 3 to 5 times higher hitting the risk threshold. I can't say which side is right.
wendyb-NC
(3,328 posts)Igel
(35,323 posts)Good. Gives me time to build up a stockpile.
LeftInTX
(25,424 posts)Kinda doubt it.
womanofthehills
(8,722 posts)The Monsanto Papers is the inside story of Lee Johnsons landmark lawsuit against Monsanto. For Lee, the case was a race against the clock, with doctors predicting he wouldnt survive long enough to take the witness stand. For the eclectic band of young, ambitious lawyers representing him, it was a matter of professional pride and personal risk, with millions of dollars and hard-earned reputations on the line. For the public at large, the lawsuit presented a question of corporate accountability. With enough money and influence, could a company endanger its customers, hide evidence, manipulate regulators, and get away with it allfor decades?[/di[/div
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)chemical effective in killing bamboo.
womanofthehills
(8,722 posts)So easy to pull after a rainstorm.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)roots yet. May need tractor to dig out but will need to check first.
Champp
(2,114 posts)As all intelligent, discerning, non-corporate shill human beings understand.
calimary
(81,350 posts)PLEEEEEASE!
Thank you Joni Mitchell!
womanofthehills
(8,722 posts)New Study Discovers Increasing Levels of Glyphosate in Blood of Florida Manatees
Posted on Mar 20 2021 - 10:59pm by Sustainable Pulse
A scientific study published last week concludes that Florida manatees are chronically exposed to glyphosate because of application of the herbicide to sugarcane and aquatic weeds.
The study found glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and the worlds most-used weedkiller, in the plasma of 55.8% of the Florida manatees sampled. The concentration of glyphosate in plasma has increased from 2009 to 2019.
Additionally, the studys authors determined that glyphosate concentrations in the Caloosahatchee and St. Lucie rivers and Everglades Agricultural Area stormwater treatment areas were significantly higher before and during sugarcane harvesting, when glyphosate is more likely to be applied, than after harvest.
https://sustainablepulse.com/2021/03/20/florida-manatees-chronically-exposed-to-glyphosate-herbicides-new-study/#.YQMzlFNOIlQ
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Most of the corn and soybeans crops are genetically modified to be resistant to Roundup (Google RoundUp Ready gene for more info). Im guessing home use of RoundUp is a small portion of the overall market.
Bayer will continue to sell RoundUp to farmers, who use it to control weeds in their fields. They do this by spraying RoundUp on the plant and and ground. Crops with the RoundUp Ready gene are immune to RoundUps effects, so (most) weeds die from the herbicide drench while the crop stays alive.
Because RoundUps use in agriculture has been in wide use over many years, a handful of weeds are not affected by it evolution at work. So more modification is done to the genes in seeds to make them immune to other herbicides. The new herbicides get sprayed on plants in addition to RoundUp.
Someone below mentioned bees. Bees are mainly affected by pesticides, especially nicotine-based ones that are taken up by the tissues of the plan. Imidacloprid is the liquid version, and is used heavily in agriculture, too. Because it is a systemic pesticide (it becomes part of the tissues of the plant), it kills insects when they bite into the plant. Bees die from pollen and nectar from Imdicloprid-treated plants.
womanofthehills
(8,722 posts)Spraying them right before harvest with glyphosate for more even drying and supposedly sweeter sugar.
Why Is Glyphosate Sprayed on Crops Right Before Harvest?
Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, is recognized as the world's most widely used weed killer. What is not so well known is that farmers also use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, edible beans and other crops right before harvest, raising concerns that the herbicide could get into food products.
https://www.ecowatch.com/roundup-cancer-1882187755.html#toggle-gdpr
Happy Hoosier
(7,343 posts)Big Agra conviced everyone these oils are healthy. They are not.
Raine
(30,540 posts)jcgoldie
(11,634 posts)have their priorities completely fucked up. In study after study glysophate has been shown to persist through the ecosystem to kill insects including honeybees to be carcinogenic and to be present in food and animals down the chain. Im a farmer and anything they do to get this off the shelves is a positive step for our health and our world.
NickB79
(19,257 posts)I hope the answer isn't just using multiple passes with the cultivator over the growing season.
Botany
(70,532 posts)BTW glyphosate does not kill honey bees but if used correctly it is wonderful for ecological restoration
which gives our native pollinators and honey bees (non native) plants to support them.
This is a spring beauty ephemeral wildflower with a spring beauty mining bee on it. That little bee is part
of a complex ecosystem and is only "up and around" and depends on the spring beauty for its needs much
like the monarch needs the milkweeds. If the area where the spring beauty is growing gets over run with
non native invasive plants the native ecology loses not only the spring beauty but the spring beauty mining
bee too.
dsp3000
(487 posts)seriously sometimes you need this stuff to kill poison ivy and other nasty stuff that grow in your yards. our subdevelopment has a wooded area that is filled with noxious weeds and invasive plants where all this stuff just starts to creep into our property
and trust me, goats are NOT an option in suburban PA.