woman dies on hike with off duty cop

[Demovictory9]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-dies-in-arizona-desert-after-hike-with-cop-who-has-history-of-lying/ar-AAMRq1J?ocid=msedgntp

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Angela Tramonte had been in Phoenix for less than 24 hours when she was found dead on a hiking trail last Friday. Now her friends are asking questions about her relationship with an off-duty cop who was with her that day—and who has a documented history of lying.

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The Phoenix Fire Department received a call at 1 p.m. from Dizdar, who said Tramonte was visiting from out of town and became “overheated” halfway up a trail on Camelback Mountain, according to McDade. Dizdar kept going on the hike while Tramonte turned around to return to the parking lot. But when he returned to the car, Tramonte’s stuff was there but she was not, McDade said.

A 30-man rescue team searched the mountain, assisted by a helicopter, McDade continued. Around 5 p.m. Tramonte was found off the trail, near a home on the northeast side of the mountain. She was unresponsive and pronounced dead.

McDade told The Daily Beast the trail is “highly technical” and that even physically fit people can find it challenging if conditions aren’t optimal. He noted that Friday’s temperature reached 105 degrees. From where Tramonte was found, McDade said, he believes she might have lost sight of the trail and headed toward nearby homes for help.

“Once you get off the trail you’re in trouble,” he said. “Now you’re just walking through the Sonoran Desert.”

But Buttaro took aim at Dizdar, writing that he should have known better than to leave Tramonte alone given that he is a police officer and first responder. “He clearly has no regard for her safety,” she wrote.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-dies-in-arizona-desert-after-hike-with-cop-who-has-history-of-lying/ar-AAMRq1J?ocid=msedgntp

[Sympthsical]

1. This whole article is very, very strange

I assume there will be an autopsy. If it's heat stroke and dehydration, well, that happens to people unprepared for heat or a hike more challenging than they were expecting.

I clicked the link assuming there was a potentially nefarious mystery here. The cop has "issues with lying." But then the story reveals he lied about a bar fight his friend was in 12 years ago when he was off duty (probably panicked about getting in trouble as a new cop). Then he told his superiors about it right after. Not great, but the story kept implying that he was some kind of dirty cop or something.

People separate on hikes all the time. My partner and I hike regularly. Sometimes he's not feeling it and starts down, while I'll go a little farther before turning and rejoining him.

On the surface, it just sounds like the woman's friend is grieving the loss and looking to place blame somewhere other than her friend's judgement.

If there's more, ok. But the whole story feels almost like a weird hit piece on the cop as the facts provided stand. Really strange it's a story at all absent more facts than are presented. "He's a cop! (suspect) Who lied! (about nothing?) And this woman is athletic! (Yeah, but hiking through a desert if you're not familiar isn't totally safe).

Then there's the hyperlink on the phrase "history of lying" implying there's a whole history about this guy. But instead, the link goes to an article totally unrelated to these people about a dirty cop in Colorado. Like, why is that included in this article? Guilt by association because they're both cops or something?

I dunno. Just a weird article to me. Maybe there will be more information later. But whoever wrote this up is definitely trying to slant it all a very specific way that feels unprofessional to me. Suspicion and guilt by implication.

[Midnight Writer]

2. Yep, time to wait for actual facts.

[LisaL]

3. Well, even if the story is as the cop says it is, he

let the woman to try and walk back to her car alone when she could no longer continue the hike, while he continued with the hike. Doesn't sound like he cared that much about her well being.

[Sympthsical]

4. Or maybe he thought she was ok

Like I said, my partner isn't as fit as I am. I can hike up and down tall hills just fine. He often taps out when he's decided he's had enough. And I'll ask, "You good? Ok, I'll just head up to that ridge, then come back down." So he goes down, then we meet at some point.

The article is set up so very strangely. Why the constant implying this cop is dirty somehow? That hyperlink to a totally different story about a dirty cop is in the first paragraph. What the heck? The writer very much knew what they were doing there. It is meant to plant suspicion in the reader's mind.

And what is that Go Fund Me about? "Justice for Angela" I'm sorry, was there a crime here? Is anyone implying there was a crime? The friend herself says it was heat exhaustion. Ok. What's the Justice angle here? No one's saying a crime has occurred as far as I can tell.

It reads like a bizarre hit piece.

For all we know, the guy thought she was fine, and now he's a guilt-ridden mess about the whole thing. How do we know? We just have this crazy slanted article trying to paint him in hues of the villain.

Weird and unprofessional of the writer, IMO.

[LisaL]

6. She most likely wasn't experienced hiking in AZ.

If he feels guilty, I see no reason why he shouldn't.

[Sympthsical]

8. I found a different article about it that tells things a bit differently

https://ktar.com/story/4605381/no-foul-play-suspected-in-death-of-camelback-hiker-with-off-duty-officer/

The witness and off-duty officer, who sources identified to KTAR News 92.3 FM as Dario Dizdar, has been granted personal time off and offered resources, Phoenix police said in a statement.

This follows Dizdar’s testimony that the hiker, identified as Angela Tramonte, and him were traveling up the mountain without any water when she decided during the hike to head back down the trail, police said.

She asked Dizdar to continue to the top without her to take pictures she could share on her social media, authorities said.

This does not seem at all strange to me. Maybe she didn't know her limits? Granted, this is what he's saying. But, there is nothing there that seems unusual to me. I've done similar. Went up to the roof of Notre Dame. Lots of steep twisty stairs. It's definitely a cardio work out. My friend tapped out and said, "Just take pics of everything for me."

I don't usually take minutes out of my day to respond to such a randomly posted story, but the original article was so incredibly weird and slanted and kind of shitty to the guy, when we don't know. His department "offered resources" to him, which sounds like he's probably torn up about the whole thing.

[LisaL]

12. Why were they hiking in AZ without any water?

NT

[Sympthsical]

13. They're both young and incredibly athletic

One or both could've overestimated their abilities.

People do stupid things sometimes, maybe out of hubris towards their own capabilities. And sometimes something stupid leading to getting you killed.

I mean, she knew how hot it was, too, and didn't bring water. I think they were both stupid not to bring water on a desert hike.

But with the information we have, I see this more as avoidably tragic rather than the, "Why this guy is suspect and Angela deserves Justice!" narrative in that article.

If this was just an accidental tragedy - and we have no reason to think it wasn't - how shitty is it to go after this guy in this manner?

[LisaL]

15. She was from out of state.

I doubt she had any experience hiking in AZ.
One would think that a cop and a first responder should have known better.

[Sympthsical]

20. I have little experience hiking through a desert

You better believe I'm bringing water. Hell, I bring water when I'm hiking up the regional park across the street from my house.

Look, it's awful she died. But this hedges into, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Trying to pin this all on the guy, like she wasn't her own person making her own decisions about her abilities is really shitty, IMO.

His being a cop just has no bearing on this at all. And linking him to a totally unrelated dirty cop in Colorado betrays the agenda. "Bad thing happened. Cop was involved. Let's get him!"

That's how this reads to me. After gathering more information, I think the journalist who wrote it is a complete asshole. It's intended as click-bait for people who think all cops are terrible human beings, and the writer made sure to spice it all up enough to fit that attitude.

Horrible.

[LizBeth]

16. I cannot tell you the number of hikes I started, stopped, went to car. I didn't need an escort.

I would have felt bad cutting someones hike short. She was not a child.

[Treefrog]

7. People love to hate cops here. Maybe he's guilty of something, maybe not.

But the hypocrisy I see here is astonishing.

A silent thread for the latest cop suicide has one poster with a wee candle who previously posted that Officer Sicknick was a “piece of human garbage.”

I won’t name that poster - he knows who he is. smh.

[Sympthsical]

10. I saw that

Lord.

But the first paragraph of the story. Why hyperlink to an entirely different story about an entirely different cop who is dirty?

Writer knew exactly what they were doing. The more I think on it, the slimier it feels.

I think an editor needs some emails.

[Treefrog]

11. Yeah, these clickbait stories don't care who they slime.

A bad cop story always gets the clicks and comments.

[PCIntern]

5. The story May well be the cop is telling the truth.

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That being said, I recall that when I was on a date if the date is not feeling well or had any issues at all whatsoever, I maintained my contact with her until she was safely delivered wherever she needed to be delivered. Whether it was home, hospital, doctors office, or a restaurant to regroup and get hydrated.

That’s how I was raised and would not act any other way.

[Sympthsical]

9. His version of events:

She told him to continue to the top and take pictures for her.

That doesn't seem very unusual to me.

I can't get over how this article was written.

[LizBeth]

17. She isn't a child needing escort. A grown woman and can well change her mind about the hike and

if there was not heads up, no reason to cut his hike short and escort to car. I have stopped hikes in the middle many times and would be bothered if someone insisted walking back with me. It would make me feel like I had to go forward when I didn't want to.

Don't know if something happened here, but really, the article is not well written.

[PCIntern]

21. I completely understand.

I’m not a hiker, so I’m not familiar with the rules of the road so to speak. However since I work in a field where there is constant risk of catastrophe, and that we are often in denial about that, I would make excuses and walk her down myself. But that’s me. I don’t take those kinds of chances in my career or in my personal life, but I do understand where you’re coming from.

[LizBeth]

14. Why "Off duty". He is a cop. Sure he wasn't working that day but being a cop has nothing to do with

the event. But just odd saying off duty.

[Treefrog]

18. Great point. The whole story is trying to stir shit.

“Off-duty architect, teacher, nurse…” makes no sense.

[LizBeth]

19. Right?