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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas Matt Gaetz resigned yet?
No?
Just checking.
You hear zero calls from the press hounding him
To go.
Wonder why that is. 🤔
Rules only apply to one side.
Carry on.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)Trump literally had 3 times the number of accusers yet America just shrugged its collective shoulders.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I want justice for all violated women.
Not just those molested groped and harassed by Democrats.
But the press doesnt give a Fuck if republicans rape women.
They really dont.
Their selective outrage is pathetic.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)Just because they don't listen doesn't make them right. Or the people calling for Cuomo to resign wrong.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I saw one Republican asked for Gaetz to resign
I havent seen any NYT or WaPo editorials demanding it.
Feel free to dig them up and share with me.
Ill wait.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)look at politico,the hill ,nyt,wp, nye, & etc. !! wanna be editors ! not like the ol'day's when reporting with respect to people .
Fullduplexxx
(7,868 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I just question why the press is silent on republican molesters.
Shouldnt we demand justice for ALL victims?
If that is whataboutism so be it.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Than he'll resign.
Accountability, America style.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)It is being decent human beings that only apply to one side. Repugs do not care if they elect people who sexually assault women, Dems do and take out their trash. The same rules apply to them, the investigation into Gaetz continues weather he steps down or not.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I dont expect republicans to care.
I do expect the press to care.
But they only care when Democrats cross a line.
Always.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)There were many calls for him to step down from the left but the right decided to stand with him. After a while, the coverage fades until there is something new... And until the investigation ends there will not be anything new. Cuomo coverage followed shit as it happened and will soon die down until that investigation ends. It is the news cycle.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Where are those.
Ill wait.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)I did a search on 'editorials for matt gaetz to resign' (without quotes) and got About 99,900 results (0.52 seconds). I see plenty there.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Those are article saying he wont resign.
Have a nice day.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)OMG!!! Articles instead of editorials (though there are in fact editorials in there - https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2021/04/07/While-under-investigation-Rep-Gaetz-should-resign-from-the-Judiciary-Committee/stories/202104030016 - Just one)... The horror... Sheesh. It still shows you all of the various calls for to step down.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)There are several in that mass of results.
But keep on whining that the Democrats kicked a sexual predator out of office when Republicans didn't.
Do you like having sexual predators as your representative? I don't. I'm glad when they're exposed and forced out. I'd like it if Republicans had enough integrity to do it themselves.
Do you have concerns about the Arizona Senator who just resigned after fucking children? Should he have stayed on as well?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)Out of curiousity, do you think that Franken should've resigned? If not, why are you calling for Gaetz to?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)There was a chorus of editorials screaming Franken resign.
And where are those now?
No where.
Thanks for playing.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If so, could you point us towards to the precise and relevant example of this you imply?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)It means complaining that Gaetz hasnt resigned. Then complaining that newspapers ignored it. Then when pointed out that they didn't, saying "Editorial boards ignored it" - then when shown editorial boards did as well, saying they don't count.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)You are on ignore.
Budi
(15,325 posts)This is about the blatant selection by Media as to who's sheltered & who is not.
Freedom of the Press should also mean Freedom FROM the Press when it takes on the role of a manipilating political propaganda entity.
Anyone focused on castigating one, while passing on another as "old or no news", shows the rot in our salacious media driven targeting of political opponants. They become a participant in a cover-up.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)Or do you want an SNL sort of news feature Matt Gates is STILL under investigation!
Budi
(15,325 posts)As political targets go, its either over reporting or no reporting
Depends on the target.
Media has way too much power in influence & manipulation.
How has anyone NOT seen this.
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)And they're not even rules, really. Cuomo was an exception in that there was a threat of charges. No one ever discussed charging Al Franken.
Kavanaugh almost got taken out by Prof. Ford's testimony; his histrionic, weepy testimony was demanded by GOP Senators to give them cover for dismissing the accusations. Kavanaugh had been groomed for a SCOTUS spot for decades and it almost went in the toilet.
Gaetz still may be charged with Statutory offenses; the Courts move at a glacial pace. He could be re-elected twice before he's prosecuted. Regardless, the "press" can't hound him; he moves in a bubble of friendly media and never talks to the MSM.
By and large, GQP voters DGAF if men are creeps; it's what they're used to.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)But they choose not to.
Where are the editorials demanding he resign?
Ill wait.
Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)And the NYT? Cuomo was the governor of NY; the home of the NYT. It was a local story for them.
Gaetz is a back-bencher from the Florida Panhandle. He isn't nearly as important as the Governor of NY. He's a creep and a gadfly who's reelection would be all but assured by a NYT editorial demanding his resignation. He'd wave that like a bloody flag.
Regardless, here's an editorial, from Pittsburgh of all places, that sort of asks Gaetz to resign: https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2021/04/07/While-under-investigation-Rep-Gaetz-should-resign-from-the-Judiciary-Committee/stories/202104030016
For comparison, here's the top story from Gaetz' hometown newspaper, the Pensacola News Journal:
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/2021/08/10/gov-ron-desantis-hands-out-bonus-checks-escambia-county-deputies/5557352001/
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)AFTER NEW DETAILS ON KAVANAUGH INVESTIGATION SURFACE, SENATORS CALL ON FBI FOR ANSWERS ON HANDLING OF TIP LINE
4,500 tips to FBI went uninvestigated following supplemental investigation, newly released FBI letter shows
Washington, DC Senators Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chris Coons (D-DE), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Mazie Hirono (D-HI), and Cory Booker (D-NJ) wrote to FBI Director Christopher Wray last evening requesting additional information on the FBIs 2018 supplemental background investigation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. The senators request follows a letter from the Bureau to Whitehouse and Coons revealing new details on the Kavanaugh background investigation, including that the FBI gathered over 4,500 tips in relation to the investigation without any apparent further action by FBI investigators. The Bureau also confirmed that tips from the tip line were instead provided to the Trump White House Counsels office, where their fate is unknown.
The admissions in your letter corroborate and explain numerous credible accounts by individuals and firms that they had contacted the FBI with information highly relevant to . . . allegations of sexual misconduct by Justice Kavanaugh, only to be ignored, the senators write in their letter sent today. If the FBI was not authorized to or did not follow up on any of the tips that it received from the tip line, it is difficult to understand the point of having a tip line at all.
Whitehouse and Coons initially raised the lackluster supplemental background investigation in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing with Director Wray in July 2019. Whitehouse observed during the hearing the clear lack of process through which the public or members of Congress could relay information to the FBI after the troubling allegations against Kavanaugh made headlines nationwide. Coons likewise pressed Wray for a clear procedure. As both senators noted, the only conduit for information potentially relevant to the allegations was a tip line, the product of which was apparently never pursued by the Bureau. During the hearing, Wray echoed Republican claims that the FBI conducted the investigation by the book, while asserting that supplemental background investigations are less rigorous than criminal and counterintelligence investigations.
On August 1, 2019, Coons and Whitehouse wrote to Wray asking for a complete picture of how the FBI handled the supplemental background investigation of Kavanaugh. They asked why the FBI failed to contact witnesses whose names were provided to the FBI as possessing highly relevant information; how involved the Trump White House was in narrowing the scope of the investigation; whether the FBI had used a tip line in previous background investigations to manage incoming allegations and information regarding a nominee; and more.
Nearly two years later and after repeated follow-up requests, the FBI finally responded to Whitehouse and Coonss questions. The June 30, 2021 letter from the FBI Office of Congressional Affairs revealed new information on the Kavanaugh investigation: that Justice Kavanaughs nomination was the first time that the FBI set-up a tip line for a nominee undergoing Senate confirmation, and that tip line received over 4,500 tips, including phone calls and electronic submissions. The FBI apparently pursued none of these tips. Instead, by the FBIs own account, it merely provided all relevant tips to Trumps Office of White House Counsel, the very office that had constrained and directed the limited investigation.
Whitehouse, Coons, Durbin, Leahy, Blumenthal, Hirono, and Booker call on the FBI to answer a range of outstanding questions surrounding the Bureaus use of the tip line and the relevant information it yielded. The senators press the Bureau for any records and communications related to the tip line investigation, including all relevant tips described in Wrays letter that the FBI provided . . . to the Office of White House Counsel.
Full text of the senators letter yesterday is available below. Also available as PDFs are:
Senators letter sent yesterday;
June 30 FBI letter to Whitehouse and Coons;
Whitehouse and Coons August 2019 letter to Wray.
https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/after-new-details-on-kavanaugh-investigation-surface-senators-call-on-fbi-for-answers-on-handling-of-tip-line
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The senators, including Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island and Chris Coons of Delaware, said a letter they received from the FBI director, Chris Wray, last month shows the FBI gathered more than 4,500 tips relating to Kavanaugh without any apparent further action by investigators.
The admissions in your letter corroborate and explain numerous credible accounts by individuals and firms that they had contacted the FBI with information highly relevant to allegations of sexual misconduct by Justice Kavanaugh, only to be ignored.
If the FBI was not authorized to or did not follow up on any of the tips that it received from the tip line, it is difficult to understand the point of having a tip line at all, the Democratic lawmakers said in a letter to Wray sent on Wednesday night, which they released to the public on Thursday.
Christine Blasey Ford alleged that Kavanaugh attempted to rape her in the early 80s, when they were teenagers at a house party in Maryland, on the outskirts of Washington DC, and he faced other allegations of misconduct following Fords harrowing description of an alleged assault when she and Kavanaugh were in high school.
Kavanaugh denied the claims.
His nomination became a huge political fight in Washington and Fords devastating and calm testimony in September 2018 mesmerized millions watching on television and was hailed by womens rights groups as a breakthrough moment for talking about sexual assault.
In angry testimony of his own on Capitol Hill, Kavanaugh fiercely defended himself and blasted what he called a leftwing political hit job on him.
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The FBI was called to investigate the allegations during the Senate confirmation process but was later accused of conducting an incomplete background check, not following up on tips and ignoring potential witnesses.
Whitehouse put out a statement in which he said he and Coons wrote a letter to Wray along with co-signers and fellow Democratic senators Dick Durbin of Illinois, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut.
He said he and Coons initially raised what he called the lackluster supplemental background investigation in a Senate judiciary committee hearing with Wray in July 2019.
He pointed out that there was no clear process to the investigation.
On 1 August 2019, Coons and Whitehouse wrote to Wray asking for a complete picture of how the FBI handled the supplemental background investigation of Kavanaugh, Whitehouses statement continued on Thursday.
Whitehouse said they asked why the FBI failed to contact witnesses whose names were provided to the FBI as possessing highly relevant information; how involved the Trump White House was in narrowing the scope of the investigation; whether the FBI had used a tip line in previous background investigations to manage incoming allegations and information regarding a nominee; and more.
Whitehouse had in March of this year asked the attorney general, Merrick Garland, to help facilitate proper oversight by the Senate into questions about how thoroughly the FBI investigated Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearing and said he was seeking answers about how, why, and at whose behest the FBI conducted a fake investigation.
Then-president Donald Trump selected Kavanaugh as his nominee for the supreme court and refused to turn to an alternative choice when Kavanaugh became engulfed in the scandal of Blasey Fords allegations.
One of the new books out on Trump this summer, Landslide by Michael Wolff, claims that Trump later said Kavanaugh was totally disgraced by the sexual assault allegations levelled against him during the heated confirmation hearings in 2018 and would have been rejected by the Senate had Trump not defended him.
Wolff writes that Trump said of the judge: I saved his life. He wouldnt even be in a law firm. Who would have had him? Nobody. Totally disgraced. Only I saved him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/22/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct-allegations-fbi-senators
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)I was referring to this:
https://www.wral.com/how-kavanaugh-showed-his-rage-and-won-his-fight-for-court-seat/17898234/
Trump thought it was time to bring in the FBI to investigate, as many opponents of Kavanaugh had urged, but when he called the Hart Building, Don McGahn, his White House counsel, refused to take the call. Instead, McGahn cleared the room and sat down with Kavanaugh and his wife, Ashley Kavanaugh. The only way to save his nomination, McGahn said, was to show the senators how he really felt, to channel his outrage and indignation at the charges he had denied.
rsdsharp
(9,195 posts)And, by the way, he denied it very strongly.
Thats all you have to do. If you are a Republican.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I haven't watched any daily MSMedia on TV since the Biden /Harris Inauguration.
The Voting today on CSPAN & maybe a Biden addeess to the nation is all I'll bother with.
And that can be found thru online resources.
Until MSM stops being a PR promo ad for a steady steam of pols, & starts producing news again, they are simply repeating what's trending on the manipulated social media sites.
Media has played the biggest role in dumbing down American society.
Restoring & expanding the Fairness Doctrine was a key policy plan of Hillary Clinton's.
She was well aware of the necessity.
Too bad Media never made that known.
Rather, we were forcefed a 24/7 PR promotional ad for Trump.
Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)I haven't heard ONE of them acknowledging their enormous role in the shitshow nor the horror of what they encouraged.
And they're STILL doing it.
Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)All about money and ratings. Some countries have banned networks for mis-information. Not here.
FBaggins
(26,757 posts)Just because you heard of both of them through the press doesnt make them the same thing.
Gaetz is tied to a far more significant crime, but all weve heard is an allegation. By which I mean that there wasnt a victim who came forward with an allegation. All we really know is that theres an investigation. Once charges are filed, hell probably hear lots of calls to step down.
Cuomo had several victims make credible allegations - followed by an investigation by his own AG that determined that he violated state and federal law (including retaliation after the allegations).
ShazzieB
(16,488 posts)I was trying to figure out how to explain the difference between these two situations, but couldn't quite figure out how to put it into words. Thank you for this very clear and concise statement, with which I completely agree!
Tetrachloride
(7,865 posts)is there not enough evidence for a trial ?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We Democrats have a value system, part of that system is respect for women, their rights and their ownership of their bodies. Any one of our politicians that violate a democratic principle need to resign, full stop.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)The press always gives offending republicans a pass.
Always.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,061 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Those werent editorials for him to resign.
There was one ONE from the post gazette saying resign from judiciary committee.
That was it.
The rest were articles about him not resigning.
Still looking for that NYT or WaPo editorial demanding he resign.
StClone
(11,686 posts)Trump, Gaetz, and Gym Jordan and all those back in the history books (Reagan dangerous scandal-ridden monstrous 2-terms). I don't recall there being demands in the papers of resignation (except Nixon). But, Clinton was not treated as gently.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)News today is all about entertainment, not about holding wrong doers accountable. The buffoon (the US House one) from Florida and the train wreck around him cause clicks, that is all News organizations care about today, clicks that allow them to charge higher advertising rates.
Dave says
(4,627 posts)No bottom to the hypocrisy.
Turbineguy
(37,364 posts)switched to the republican party, he'd be home-free, although republicans would consider him a lightweight.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)Warpy
(111,329 posts)Fundagelicals seem to think the sexual exploitation of girls and young women is godly.
Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)Warpy
(111,329 posts)especially since the girls and young women get all the blame from these fundagelical lowlifes.
I agree with Gandhi when it comes to Jesus and his followers.
Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)brooklynite
(94,703 posts)Or have they been reporting on what the President, House Speaker, Senate Majority Leader and others have been calling for?
thenelm1
(854 posts)Yes Cuomo resigned, as he should have absolutely. About bloody time. Thing is, when it comes down to it, that really only affects the state of New York.
Meanwhile the Senate finally passed an infrastructure bill by a 60+ to 30 something vote. Something that has been held up for years because...Repubs being Repubs? That affects, and is consequential, to every state - but minimal coverage. After all these years, that's monumental. I guess, as the saying goes, sex sells.