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AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 12:07 PM Aug 2021

Here Are the 9 Right-Wing Democrats Threatening to Tank Their Party's $3.5 Trillion Agenda

“The greatest threat to Biden's agenda is not the Progressive Caucus or the Squad, but these conservative Democrats."

JAKE JOHNSON

August 13th, 2021

A group of nine conservative House Democrats on Friday threatened to torpedo a $3.5 trillion budget resolution—the cornerstone of their party's social spending and climate agenda—unless Speaker Nancy Pelosi first allows a vote on a $550 billion bipartisan infrastructure bill that has been criticized as inadequate and potentially harmful to the environment.

"It what world is it 'moderate' to kill a $3.5 trillion agenda against the majority of your own party? It's far-right austerity."
—Zack Burley, The Climate Mobilization

In a letter to Pelosi (D-Calif.), Democratic Reps. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia, Filemon Vela of Texas, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Ed Case of Hawaii, Kurt Schrader of Oregon, Jared Golden of Maine, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, and Jim Costa of California warned that they "will not consider voting for a budget resolution until the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act passes the House and is signed into law."

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Here Are the 9 Right-Wing Democrats Threatening to Tank Their Party's $3.5 Trillion Agenda (Original Post) AZProgressive Aug 2021 OP
This is hyperbole. It is a negotiation tactic, just as the progressive caucus is making a similar JohnSJ Aug 2021 #1
Biden wants both is how I understand it AZProgressive Aug 2021 #2
I disagree. They are both using this tactic how they won't allow the reconciliation to pass in the JohnSJ Aug 2021 #3
What? They've been using a both or nothing tactic since the beginning. Calista241 Aug 2021 #8
Not true. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #13
I remember Biden saying he wants both the Bipartisan and Democrats infrastructure bills AZProgressive Aug 2021 #16
Are these 9 "moderates" willing to end their careers by opposing Biden's agenda? Fiendish Thingy Aug 2021 #4
And then we lose the house. These folks are from red and or purple districts. It is important to Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #5
If passage of the bipartisan bill is truly important to their re-election, Fiendish Thingy Aug 2021 #6
They fear the GOP will derail both bills with the two months they have, Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #9
Mathematically impossible - to derail the bills would require complicity from some Dems. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2021 #14
We probably can't and you could say the same thng about progressives who have not always Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #11
The reconciliation bill is not a slam dunk...we should get what we can and then Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #12
Speaker Pelosi disagrees with you. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2021 #15
When the Progressives threaten to tank this process mcar Aug 2021 #7
The Squad has voted with Republicans plenty of times. JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #10

JohnSJ

(92,397 posts)
1. This is hyperbole. It is a negotiation tactic, just as the progressive caucus is making a similar
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 12:15 PM
Aug 2021

threat that they won't pass the bipartisan bill unless the reconciliation bill is passed first.

I have every confidence that they both will pass




AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
2. Biden wants both is how I understand it
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 12:17 PM
Aug 2021

The squad has a similar size group but they rarely use this kind of negotiating tactic.

JohnSJ

(92,397 posts)
3. I disagree. They are both using this tactic how they won't allow the reconciliation to pass in the
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 12:19 PM
Aug 2021

case of the so-called moderates, or won't allow the bipartisan plan to pass in the case of the progressive caucus

Both will pass

The stakes are too high, and both sides realize the midterms are at stake



Calista241

(5,586 posts)
8. What? They've been using a both or nothing tactic since the beginning.
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 02:27 PM
Aug 2021

I think there's a very good chance neither bill passes. Remember us laughing at the Repubs when McCain voted against the ACA repeal? That could be us in 60 days.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
16. I remember Biden saying he wants both the Bipartisan and Democrats infrastructure bills
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:39 AM
Aug 2021

This was back in late June but Biden has been trying to negotiate an infrastructure deal all summer. I give credit to Biden with the way he negotiated especially when it comes to Senators like Manchin.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
4. Are these 9 "moderates" willing to end their careers by opposing Biden's agenda?
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 12:20 PM
Aug 2021

That’s what it comes down to.

If they successfully block passage or enable the neutering of the reconciliation package, I will contribute to primary opponents who support Biden’s agenda.

Demsrule86

(68,675 posts)
5. And then we lose the house. These folks are from red and or purple districts. It is important to
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 01:22 PM
Aug 2021

their re-election that the bi-partisan bill passes. Then we turn our attention to the other bill. Both should pass.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
6. If passage of the bipartisan bill is truly important to their re-election,
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 01:54 PM
Aug 2021

Then they won’t block the reconciliation bill, and allow the process to move forward. Once the reconciliation bill passes the senate, passage of the bipartisan bill in the house is guaranteed. There is absolutely no reason to demand passage of the bipartisan bill before the reconciliation bill other than to sabotage reconciliation.

Whether the bipartisan bill passes the house in September instead of October or November is not going to affect the re-election chances for these so-called “moderates”.

Otherwise, I’m sure we can elect 9 better moderates in those districts who support Biden’s agenda.

Without passing voting rights, some of those moderates (3 from TX, 1 from GA) may just get gerrymandered out of their seats anyway.

Demsrule86

(68,675 posts)
11. We probably can't and you could say the same thng about progressives who have not always
Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:28 AM
Aug 2021

supported legislation. The only difference is that moderates come from purple and red states and we may not reelect more moderates whereas the progressive states are mosty deep blue and will elect Democrats if an incumbent loses a primary. This is not true for moderates. And since we need moderates to hold our majority, we should consider how any legislation affects their electability in order to keep our majority which is endangered.

mcar

(42,373 posts)
7. When the Progressives threaten to tank this process
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 02:25 PM
Aug 2021

unless it's done their way, they are applauded. This is the same kind of negotiation tactic.

The media loves to push "Dems in disarray," regardless of reality.

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