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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:44 AM Aug 2021

Should Chris Wray be asked to step down?

It's not just that he found "scant" evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy in the January 6th attack on our Capitol. But, he seemed to have surrendered to Trump many months before. He had chosen to step back and remain silent and keep his job, it seemed to me.

He did nothing. In doing nothing, he supported the policies of Donald Trump. He failed in his job, in my opinion.

He should resign.

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Should Chris Wray be asked to step down? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2021 OP
Yes, he should Bettie Aug 2021 #1
Doing so in the wake of this dubious reporting would only legitimize politicization of the position. FreepFryer Aug 2021 #2
Makes sense. secondwind Aug 2021 #4
He feared the you are fired Tweet. kairos12 Aug 2021 #3
He is a long time member of The Federalist Society DURHAM D Aug 2021 #5
Didn't know that.. benfranklin1776 Aug 2021 #17
Anyone who is part of the Federalist Society has no business being in democratic government. Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #34
I didn't know that. He needs go, pronto! Mr. Evil Aug 2021 #25
Do you have some sort of evidence for that? MineralMan Aug 2021 #41
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray DURHAM D Aug 2021 #42
Thanks for the link and for answering my question. MineralMan Aug 2021 #43
Biden and his staff know more about him than we do. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #6
100% - and thanks stopdiggin Aug 2021 #12
Hell, I was in the group saying COMEY should step down early in the Obama administration! bullwinkle428 Aug 2021 #7
Biden needs to purge all trumpists he can spanone Aug 2021 #8
+100000 Pachamama Aug 2021 #13
These FBI guys seem to be experts at playing both sides. Baitball Blogger Aug 2021 #9
Their careers depend on it. Ligyron Aug 2021 #24
The EXTREMELY disparate treatment of BLM vs TFG supporters IN IT SELF would make me want to fire uponit7771 Aug 2021 #10
if it had llashram Aug 2021 #18
RIGHT !?!? Director Ray doesn't answer questions in regards to why the spirit treatment either uponit7771 Aug 2021 #20
He is a true RE-thug, he might make the hall of fame... RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2021 #11
AFTER he testifies at least bluestarone Aug 2021 #14
Problem is that when he testifys he never "Knows Nutting about Nuthn". mackdaddy Aug 2021 #30
The FBI's Job Is To Protect The Wealthy DanieRains Aug 2021 #15
I think he is very similar to Rosenstein... kentuck Aug 2021 #16
Agree bucolic_frolic Aug 2021 #19
He should certainly have it made clear to him that his resignation would be favorably received Comfortably_Numb Aug 2021 #21
Anybody who was in the Trump administration that is even questionable should be gone. hadEnuf Aug 2021 #22
Yes kacekwl Aug 2021 #23
Yes Mickju Aug 2021 #26
Nothing in the anonymous leaks is linked to Wray, AFAIK. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2021 #27
I don't support firing for political reasons Dopers_Greed Aug 2021 #28
I didn't know Domestic Terrorism and Insurrection was a political matter. msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #35
I don't either Dopers_Greed Aug 2021 #36
Somehow, I just don't see Biden calling for the Capitol to be seized or an election to be overturned msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #44
Yes SheltieLover Aug 2021 #29
Biden should have gotten rid of the Republican trash when he entered office. W_HAMILTON Aug 2021 #31
He's arrested and charged 615 Trump supporters Locutusofborg Aug 2021 #32
Well if he didn't arrest them, he'd for DAMN SURE need to be fired. W_HAMILTON Aug 2021 #37
But you DO get to keep your job Locutusofborg Aug 2021 #50
Trump wanted to fire Comey too. W_HAMILTON Aug 2021 #52
Not me. How about the ringleaders? Oh, that? FBI know nothing. triron Aug 2021 #46
yeah, like the first time he refused to respond to Congressional/Senate Subpoenas msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #33
If it is not his assessment and he disagrees with it... kentuck Aug 2021 #38
Exactly. I'm not plugged into Cable or even streaming cable anymore, has there been any corrections msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #45
I think you might be referring to that reuters.com article. That is what it was, conservative ShazamIam Aug 2021 #39
I do not know. I don't have any information about him MineralMan Aug 2021 #40
I don't agree with you on this point. kentuck Aug 2021 #47
No, he should be fired with cause Dave says Aug 2021 #48
Trump wanted to fire Wray Locutusofborg Aug 2021 #49
So why didn't he fire him?? kentuck Aug 2021 #51

Bettie

(16,130 posts)
1. Yes, he should
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:48 AM
Aug 2021

I wish he hadn't been kept in the first place.

No evidence of cooperation or conspiracy? Seriously? So, next week will he be reopening the investigation into Hillary's emails?

They don't get to sweep this all under the rug...well, apparently, they do.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
2. Doing so in the wake of this dubious reporting would only legitimize politicization of the position.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:49 AM
Aug 2021

He’ll go, but in a more dispassionate timeframe I suspect.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
5. He is a long time member of The Federalist Society
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:54 AM
Aug 2021

That is all one needs to know.

He should definitely be removed.

benfranklin1776

(6,449 posts)
17. Didn't know that..
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:07 PM
Aug 2021

Well that’s another reason he can’t be trusted to run a legitimate investigation into the Trump orchestrated, Trump campaign lackey staffed, and underwritten by Trump campaign funds, nakedly treasonous attempt to overthrow the government. It might expose too many fellow Federalist society stooges inside the Trump maladministration who were involved.

Lonestarblue

(10,101 posts)
34. Anyone who is part of the Federalist Society has no business being in democratic government.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:56 PM
Aug 2021

They are anti-democratic and pro big business and white, wealthy elites who believe that their wealth and their skin color are the only qualifications they need to rule the world.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
42. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 03:35 PM
Aug 2021

"Wray is a Republican and a member of the Federalist Society."[54]

This has been well known since the Kavanaugh mess so drop the attitude.

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
6. Biden and his staff know more about him than we do.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:59 AM
Aug 2021

FBI directors serve ten-year terms and report directly to the Attorney General. While Biden does have the authority to fire Wray for cause, he is not likely to do so in the absence of clear misfeasance. It's extremely rare for a president to fire his FBI director due to the appearance of impropriety and the necessity of maintaining a distance between the White House and the FBI. It has happened only twice: Clinton fired William Sessions on account of multiple ethics violations, and Trump fired Comey basically because Comey wouldn't swear allegiance to him. I don't think Biden wants to go down the same path in the absence of clear evidence that Wray has violated the law in some way.

stopdiggin

(11,384 posts)
12. 100% - and thanks
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:38 PM
Aug 2021

absolutely the right answer. Misfeasance, malfeasance - or grave ethical failures - i.e., removal for cause, and Biden should stick to those standards. Otherwise - it's the job you're doing, not which camp you belong to, that determines your fitness for the office. There's obviously work to be done, but depoliticizing the bureau is really what we wish to be getting back to.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
7. Hell, I was in the group saying COMEY should step down early in the Obama administration!
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:59 AM
Aug 2021

Given that he was a Shrub hold-over.

Took a little bit of grief for that view here...not to go down that "I told you so" route...just saying.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
10. The EXTREMELY disparate treatment of BLM vs TFG supporters IN IT SELF would make me want to fire
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:29 PM
Aug 2021

... him.

His unwillingness to get a clear answer as to why there was such disperate treatment is another reason he has to go.

This is another racial stain on the FBI

llashram

(6,265 posts)
18. if it had
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:07 PM
Aug 2021

been BLM, rotting human flesh would still be nourishing and human blood would have nourished the ground all around the Capitol Building. That is after the Army, Capitol Police and other authorities would have been given the order to massacre. NO DOUBTS.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,678 posts)
11. He is a true RE-thug, he might make the hall of fame...
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:32 PM
Aug 2021

The longer Biden keeps him there the more damage he will do, by doing nothing.

mackdaddy

(1,528 posts)
30. Problem is that when he testifys he never "Knows Nutting about Nuthn".
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:51 PM
Aug 2021

The last few time he testified he was asked about all the reports of danger before Jan 6th.
Well he had no knowledge of anything.

All looked like deflection and BS to me.

Get rid of him for incompetence.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
16. I think he is very similar to Rosenstein...
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:57 PM
Aug 2021

At first, we thought he was on the right side of the law. But, in the end, he was a puppet for Trump and Barr. I think Wray did the same maneuver.

bucolic_frolic

(43,353 posts)
19. Agree
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:08 PM
Aug 2021

When aloof becomes a cover for uneven implementation, the top job is not being performed at the highest level it requires and deserves.

At the same time I think no path should be taken that might allow the crooks to escape or be acquitted, or to curry public sympathy.

Should be replaced before the end of the year.

Sure hope he ditches Powell too. But the trouble with that is you can blame Powell if he remains on the job. Put your own guy in there and your flank is exposed.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,835 posts)
21. He should certainly have it made clear to him that his resignation would be favorably received
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:28 PM
Aug 2021

by President Biden.

hadEnuf

(2,217 posts)
22. Anybody who was in the Trump administration that is even questionable should be gone.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:29 PM
Aug 2021

No good will ever come from them still being around.

Trump supporters main goals are to screw up Biden and Democrats in any way possible and to overthrow the government in Trump's favor.

We need to remember that every single day.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
28. I don't support firing for political reasons
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:45 PM
Aug 2021

But do we really want Wray to announce an "investigation" into something Biden-related a month before the 2024 election?

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
36. I don't either
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 02:01 PM
Aug 2021

But the mainstream greedia would report on like they reported on Spanky's sacking of Comey

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
44. Somehow, I just don't see Biden calling for the Capitol to be seized or an election to be overturned
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 04:12 PM
Aug 2021

calling out for an insurrection just doesn't seem to be his style in real politik.

Anything is possible, I just don't see it though.

W_HAMILTON

(7,875 posts)
31. Biden should have gotten rid of the Republican trash when he entered office.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:52 PM
Aug 2021

Never trust a Republican. Comey was also supposed to be "one of the good ones" -- until he wasn't.

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
32. He's arrested and charged 615 Trump supporters
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:53 PM
Aug 2021

thus far and still counting. That's good enough for me.
"615 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far. This searchable table shows them all."
https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

W_HAMILTON

(7,875 posts)
37. Well if he didn't arrest them, he'd for DAMN SURE need to be fired.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 02:22 PM
Aug 2021

These people were on damn video, rioting in the Capitol.

You don't get a cookie for doing your damn job.

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
50. But you DO get to keep your job
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 05:03 PM
Aug 2021

For doing your job.
Since Trump really wanted to fire Wray, I say keep him.

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
33. yeah, like the first time he refused to respond to Congressional/Senate Subpoenas
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:55 PM
Aug 2021

But of course he should step down. If this is his assessment, he should be fired.

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
45. Exactly. I'm not plugged into Cable or even streaming cable anymore, has there been any corrections
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 04:14 PM
Aug 2021

announced by Wray in response to this article, that you've heard, read or know of?

ShazamIam

(2,576 posts)
39. I think you might be referring to that reuters.com article. That is what it was, conservative
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 03:10 PM
Aug 2021

propaganda. It was not and had nothing indicating that statement was an official F.B.I. position on the Jan. 6., attack.

And remember the FBI Dir reports to the U.S. AG, and I doubt if even Wray, would expose conclusions to that effort in a reuters.com article while the investigations continue.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
40. I do not know. I don't have any information about him
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 03:28 PM
Aug 2021

that doesn't come from news sources. On the other hand, Joe Biden does have such information. I think I'm going to rely on the decisions of someone who has such information, instead of speculation by those who don't.

From my perspective, the January 6 insurrection clearly had no real central planning. The plan was just to go to the Capitol building and "do something." My evidence for that is that the insurrection accomplished nothing but a delay in the confirmation of the electoral college vote. It was ugly and riotous, but ended as soon as enough security forces arrived.

What did Wray have to do with it? I have no idea. As I said, I have no direct insights into any of that. I suspect that nobody here on DU has any more idea than I do. However, the Biden administration does.

I suggest we leave that to those who know things.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
47. I don't agree with you on this point.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 04:55 PM
Aug 2021

I think it was all planned for nefarious purposes. I don't think Wray had anything to do with except that he just turned the other way his last year in office. He saw nothing.

And how do you know that the Biden Administration knows all these things about Wray? This is just my opinion, but I am not so sure they do?

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
49. Trump wanted to fire Wray
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 04:59 PM
Aug 2021

And the only reason he didn't was because Attorney General Barr said that he would resign (which he eventually did anyway).
"Trump Is Looking to Fire FBI Director Chris Wray for Not Helping His Campaign"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-considering-firing-fbi-director-christopher-wray-for-not-helping-his-campaign-says-report

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
51. So why didn't he fire him??
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 05:11 PM
Aug 2021

In my opinion, if he had done his job, he would have been fired. He chose to look the other way, in my opinion.

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