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I got into a discussion with my brother who is fully vaccinated. He was resentful that his daughter was forced by her college to get the jab. He said it violates her freedom and her bodily autonomy. He said long term it could affect her fertility chances.
Where does this come from? Is this made up BS? I am looking for any credible source for this and havent found a single thing. Brother is Republican and has a lot of Republican friends so my suspicion is that someone he respects told him they researched it.
I want to debunk this ASAP. But dont know where to start. Its so random.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)elleng
(131,056 posts)If you google covid vaccine infertility, lots of info comes up refuting that bogus claim.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)know long term effects.
I believe it will be like other vaccines, virtually nil. But cant say for sure.
elleng
(131,056 posts)and I agree, 'cant say for sure.'
viva la
(3,315 posts)The large clinical trials started last summer.
If there were dire longterm effects, we'd know by now. But we can always point out that we do know the longterm effects of Covid, and they are BAD.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)for sure what we have data for.
Just a month, maybe two, ago, Fauci was saying he didnt think, based upon evidence, wed need a booster.
As I said, Ill take my booster. But, I would be lying if I said there will be no long-term effects. Id also say, anti-Vaxers are deplorable. Im also for mandatory vaccination.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)die (though less likely), etc.
So, even thats not sure.
Like I said, Im trusting the vaccine as best chance for survival . But, at least with respect to those who dont view vaccination as political, I can see some folks who are hesitant. Heck, some folks remember the Tuskegee experiment.
Crunchy Frog
(26,610 posts)that was deliberately designed to NOT TREAT people for a deadly disease so they could observe the progression of the illness?
I'm getting so fucking sick of attempts to equate the two. Especially when people do it on a board like this.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,610 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)AND, I have encouraged other people to do so, as I did above.
You know what causes me to beat my head against the wall: People who apparently read while pointing at -- and mouthing -- each word.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,873 posts)Tell me again about the long term effects of a smallpox vaccination, or polio vaccination? Or any other vaccination? What exactly have been the long term effects other than protection against that specific disease?
Does that answer the question?
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)adverse responses show up in the very short, not longer run. THEREs a medical reason for this, but I forgot it and not sure how to explain.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,873 posts)vaccination was largely why the smallpox vaccination was discontinued. No smallpox was happening. The vaccine had side effects, and I honestly don't know what they were. And by the mid 1970s, smallpox was already gone from most of the world.
Back then, when I was doing a fair amount of international travel, I was needing a certificate that showed I was vaccinated against smallpox. Many times in those years, I got a new smallpox vaccination because I kept on losing the card that showed I was already vaccinated. Sigh. Because I kept on needing a new smallpox vaccine, I got so I simply didn't respond to the vaccine, which fortunately wasn't an issue. Just getting the vaccine was good enough.
Here's a factoid for you. The last smallpox outbreak in this country was in 1948. At the time, it was clear that those who had been vaccinated as long as 50 years earlier were still protected. Whew. I was last vaccinated a bit less than 50 years ago, lucky me.
Disaffected
(4,559 posts)the mRNA vaccines are of a never before utilized type (AFAIK). So, hypothetically there could be side effects of which we are not yet aware.
It's pretty much however only of academic interest because one is almost certainly at lower risk by getting vaccinated than from possible long (or short term) side effects.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,873 posts)not heretofore recognized. But really? After all this time?
Disaffected
(4,559 posts)the probability, especially in the absence of any credible hypothetical reason why long term side effects may occur, seems very low.
Certainly not something I personally would worry about.
womanofthehills
(8,751 posts)From CDC : In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing. Over 250 cases of polio were attributed to vaccines produced by one company: Cutter Laboratories. This case, which came to be known as the Cutter Incident, resulted in many cases of paralysis. The vaccine was recalled as soon as cases of polio were detected.
The Cutter Incident was a defining moment in the history of vaccine manufacturing and government oversight of vaccines, and led to the creation of a better system of regulating vaccines. After the government improved this process and increased oversight, polio vaccinations resumed in the fall of 1955.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)In other words, it's impossible to get covid from the vaccine in the US.
W_HAMILTON
(7,871 posts)It's been proven to be yet another one of the many rightwing lies that has propagated over the internet regarding this vaccine. A quick Google search can give you as many reputable sites debunking this as you like. I would kindly suggest you just go that route instead of basically contributing the spread of this disinformation.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)
it could affect IQ (some stupid GOP female politician Michelle Bachman?) but more recently has settled on the internet lie about loss of fertility. Therefore, shes not letting her 3 boys get the HPV vax not that theyre getting vaxxed for anything else anyway.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Tell him you are looking forward to being the uncle of her children
And leave it at that
SYFROYH
(34,183 posts)SharonAnn
(13,778 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,690 posts)Phase 1 Clinical trials started a little more than a year ago, yes?
Plus, unless his daughter's future husband is shooting virus out of him instead of sperms, then I'd sure like to know that these people are basing this on.
viva la
(3,315 posts)viva la
(3,315 posts)Covid, on the other hand, could deprive him of grandchildren forever.
Where do they get this sht?
It's like none of them remembers that they've had a dozen vaccinations and an annual flu vax probably, and managed to have babies anyway.
The daughter should quite quickly declare independence from dad and tell him to keep his dumb ideas off her health.
And he should realize that he's endangering his daughter-- AFTER SAVING HIMSELF-- because of some dubious FB friend's stupid misconceptions, and maybe he should decide not to listen to those people again.
https://www.wpbf.com/article/jupiter-medical-center-physicians-dispel-covid-vaccine-infertility-pregnancy/37352958
bottomofthehill
(8,340 posts)Vampires or something so clearly fertile myrtle will turn into infertile myrtle. You just dont follow the science like other Facebook phds do.
Silly you.
viva la
(3,315 posts)So I just can't follow the complexities!
bottomofthehill
(8,340 posts)Masters of the universe science. 4 more minutes of reading Facebook and you could have a PHD, its not easy, but you can do it.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,873 posts)you will understand a lot more.
And you can then look forward to you Masters Degree in FB, lucky you!
marybourg
(12,633 posts)polio vaccinations in Nigeria. Our own Bokoz picked it up to scare the the gullible.
JCMach1
(27,566 posts)That's was easy.
Don't argue with disinformation, period.
mahina
(17,692 posts)A friends granddaughter tell her the green juice they drink protects them.
Theres one born every minute. People believe what they want to believe and were just cognitively lazy sometimes. And also maybe stupid.
NH Ethylene
(30,814 posts)It's something about the spike protein that the vaccine's mRNA produces is in itself dangerous and destructive to cells, and it travels around the body through the blood and lymph and settles in the reproductive organs.
I've never seen anything remotely like this from any legitimate source.
Crunchy Frog
(26,610 posts)It's been put out there so much that it's now "something that people have heard".
And nobody "forced" her to do anything. She's perfectly free to drop out of that college and either go to a different one, or do something else for awhile. It's not like this is the only vaccine that is required to attend most colleges.
Maybe what you really need to do is give him some information about how disinformation works so that he won't be such an easy mark.
Bluesaph
(703 posts)Getting out of a cult can be difficult. Sometimes the person has to see it from a different angle.
And, yes, the right wing has become a cult.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)In December 2020, a blog post appeared online claiming, falsely,
that a senior employee at Pfizer was concerned that antibodies elicited by COVID-19 vaccines
could attack the placenta. The post was quickly removed
but the rumours that it started continue to spread and
a survey carried out by Find Out Now found that
more than a quarter of young women in the United
Kingdom would decline the vaccine, citing concerns
about its effect on fertility. This is not the first time that
unfounded rumours about vaccines causing infertility
have circulated. In 2003, such concerns resulted in a
boycott of polio vaccination in northern Nigeria; more
recently, they have contributed to hesitance in accepting
the human papillomavirus vaccine. It is understandable
that people are apprehensive, especially about a new vaccine:
the vast majority of adverse events can be ruled out
in clinical trials, but the short time frame during which
these take place, especially for COVID-19, means that
events that could potentially occur decades into the
future are harder to discount. Indeed, many people are
hesitant specifically about receiving an mRNA vaccine,
as this is a relatively new platform. With respect to these
concerns, it is worth noting that the first human trials
of mRNA vaccines began in 2006, so there have been
15 years during which any long-term problems arising
from the platform itself could have come to light1
.
Although many of the rumours that COVID-19 vaccines
might damage fertility centre specifically on the
mRNA platform, probably because they first emerged in
the context of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the specific
claim is that antibodies recognizing the SARS-CoV-2
spike protein can cross-react with the human placental
protein syncytin 1 and thereby damage the placenta. If
such cross-reactivity did occur, vaccines on all platforms,
as well as natural infections, would be expected to be
associated with placental pathology. A natural experiment
assures us that this is unlikely to be the case as
people who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 shortly before
conceiving or early in pregnancy are no more likely to
miscarry than their uninfected peers. Nonetheless,
immunologists have also taken formal approaches to
address the claim that antibodies to spike protein could
cross-react with syncytin 1: there is no significant similarity
between the amino acid sequences of SARS-CoV-2
spike protein and syncytin 1 and convalescent serum
from patients with COVID-19 does not react with syncytin 1 (ref.3).
But the data that speak most clearly to the question
of whether the COVID-19 vaccines harm fertility come
from the clinical trials themselves. Developmental and
reproductive toxicity studies show that the vaccines do
not prevent female rodents becoming pregnant or harm
the pups if given during pregnancy. We also have an idea
of how the vaccines affect pregnancy in humans from
the volunteers who became pregnant during the clinical trials.
Pregnant people were excluded from the trials
and participants were asked to avoid becoming pregnant,
but, nonetheless, 57 pregnancies occurred across the trials
of the three vaccines that have so far been approved
in the UK. The outcomes of these pregnancies, so far as
they have progressed, are summarized in Table 1. There
was no significant difference in the rate of accidental
pregnancies in the vaccinated groups compared with the
control groups, which indicates that the vaccines do not
prevent pregnancy in humans. Similarly, the miscarriage
rates are comparable between the groups, indicating no
detrimental effect of vaccination on early pregnancy.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00525-y.pdf
blogslug
(38,007 posts)My first question would be what your niece thinks because, it her body that you two are debating over.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)I don't know who made up that bs, but it's bs.