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Jess Piper
@EnglishTeach07
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Aug 22, 2021
I taught for 16 years I never saw protests or lawmakers showing up to BOE meetings about active shooter drills.
Jess Piper
@EnglishTeach07
You think a mask is traumatizing? Hunker down in a room with kids with door locked and lights off in silence. Tell kids if a shooter is far off killing others, we run. If hes right outside, were stuck to fight it out. But please, tell me more about traumatic fabric
7:35 AM · Aug 22, 2021
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EarlG
(21,960 posts)Kids wearing bulletproof backpacks to school = freedom
Kids wearing medical masks to school = tyranny
Arkansas Granny
(31,523 posts)if you lose a child, you can just have another to replace it. I can tell you, it doesn't work that way.
Caliman73
(11,742 posts)As much as many on the right (Ben Shapiro) like to talk about themselves as "rational" and "logic", facts don't care about your feelings types, they operate mostly on emotion.
They talk about the vaccine as an issue of bodily autonomy. "I don't want the government telling me what to do with my body". Yet, they vehemently oppose a woman's right to decide to terminate a pregnancy. That is not a logical argument.
Masks are a political symbol and an emotional issue at this point. They represent whatever the right wants them to for their purposes.
LuckyCharms
(17,454 posts)calimary
(81,419 posts)Indeed. Indeed. Indeed.
keithbvadu2
(36,869 posts)To the gun industry, dead children are merely collateral damage/acceptable losses for gun industry profits and political donations.
Yet dead children are merely collateral damage/acceptable losses for the freedom of not wearing a mask.
The common factor? Dead children are ok.
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Joe The Plumber: Your Dead Kids Dont Trump My Constitutional Rights To Have Guns
Ironic how he chose that verb back in 2014
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html
Iggo
(47,563 posts)Dead kids underscore the need for more guns in more hands, with every adult a good guy with a gun firing at the prospective mass-murderer.
The actually said that school shootings wouldnt happen if teachers and staff were armed.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)RVN VET71
(2,694 posts)Your Dead Kids Dont Fat-Orange-Faced-DependsWearing-Loser My Constitutional Right to bear arms. And after saying that, he should have exercised that right by shooting himself in the head.
Non-plumber Joe, as I recall, was given his time in the national consciousness by McCain, the moderate Republican, and Palin, his less than brilliant sidekick.
IronLionZion
(45,494 posts)and school kids must pay the price of gun rights
Whether it's guns or COVID, there are always tons of innocent bystanders impacted through no choice of their own. Kids have already died of COVID and childrens hospital ICUs are full in several red states.
Arkansas Granny
(31,523 posts)who are hospitalized. A lot of beds are taken up with covid patients who refused vaccinations.
IronLionZion
(45,494 posts)iluvtennis
(19,868 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Masks don't terrorize you, scar you for life, or prevent you from going about your business without fear.
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Lonestarblue
(10,038 posts)radical in the past few years under Trumps presidency. Yes, weve always had racism, but I dont recall so many white people calling police on black people for simply being in public places in the past. Nor was there so much of the Karen psychosis of proclaiming white privilege.
And most people seemed to accept medical improvements discovered through scientific research: organ transplants, better cancer treatments, life-saving treatments for premature babies, artificial limbs, and on and on. We have had uneducated/poorly educated for decades. Fox News has been operating since 1996 (though it started its turn to the dark side in 2001 under Roger Ailes).
So why do we have so many people today, but still a minority of voters, who seem to believe that they and only they have the right to choose what our government can do in spite of what the majority wants.
I believe the answer lies in no repercussions for bad behavior. Trump demonstrated from his bully pulpit that he could do and say anything and no one would hold him accountable. Thus, he was free to act with impunity. His cult has taken this to heart and given themselves the same privilege. They now recognize few controls on their behavior. How this ends, I dont know. But I believe that we face a generation or two of people who, even when Trump is gone, will behave as if they have the right to political success in all elections and the right as white people to treat all others as second-class citizens, and it is because they have suffered few repercussions for their behavior.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,523 posts)and he was getting away with it. They were emboldened to follow his lead. They had a champion for all their racist and mysogynistic beliefs and they felt vindicated.
Wednesdays
(17,398 posts)Shall I go on?
The right wing noise machine really ramped things up the last few years.
paparush
(7,964 posts)A 24/7/365 echo chamber reinforcing your beliefs. Making people feel part of a tribe of like minded individuals supporting their racist, radical ideas. A giant firehose of confirmation bias.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Why our DoJ is ignoring him, I don't know.
usaf-vet
(6,194 posts).....an active shooter.
My childhood trauma-inducing school activities were twofold.
1. was the school scheduled shot days. Mom and dad knew they were coming but never told us, kids. We only found out about it when we heard the loudspeaker announcement grades 1-5 report to the auditorium to see the nurse.
Note: Mom and Dad just understood the benefits of vaccinations. Having lived through Polio and Smallpox disease threats both real threats to their kids.
2. was the duck and cover drill necessary to prepare for a nuclear attack. The drills were reinforced by the now-famous
"Daisy Ad".
wnylib
(21,558 posts)The only shots I got as a child were the required vaccination prior to kindergarten, given by the family doctor, and occasional antibiotic shots when I was sick, also given by the family doctor. Also got a gammaglobulin shot in the doc's office after being exposed to someone with hepatitis.
Never got a shot at school that I can remember.
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)I think some doses went on a sugar cube too
wnylib
(21,558 posts)school, but we did get the sugar cubes that were distributed at my grade school. It was on a Saturday and in my neighborhood, kids walked to the school in groups with a parent to get them.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)wnylib
(21,558 posts)my pre kindergarten vaccine that included diptheria and pertussis. They were done in our family doctor's office. No shots in school.
Elessar Zappa
(14,022 posts)usaf-vet
(6,194 posts)As a 6, 7, and 8 year old I can't tell you what shots or other medication we were given IN SCHOOL. But Mom and Dad had to sign off each time.
The basements in the schools at that time were considered as EMERGENCY FALLOUT SHELTER. Different times!!
But this cartoon is probably a good representation of those medications
I can't tell you what other states and school systems did regarding shots in schools.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE NONE WERE ADMINISTERED BY A DERANGED AK47 CARRYING "ACTIVE SHOOTER"
wnylib
(21,558 posts)in Pennsylvania. I am surprised at how many other school districts apparently gave shots in the schools. Mine didn't. We had to provide verification from our doctor of having all required shots, but none occurred in school.
My grade school basement served as a voting site for the precinct. It was also designated as a bomb shelter. We had the air raid drills of ducking under our desks. And PA law requured teachers to begin each school day by reading a chapter from the KJV Bible. That was, of course struck down in the early 1960s when challenged in the SC.
usaf-vet
(6,194 posts)MA. is and always will probably be a liberal state. I do not remember religion and the bible ever being brought into the public schools.
I spent 4 years in the southern states and was astounded at the number of signs along the highways with religious context. But in those years 1965-1969, I had no involvement with schools.
wnylib
(21,558 posts)I was growing up there, largely due to the industrial cities of Philly, Pittsburgh, and Erie (my home town) and their unions. But the central part of the state outside of the cities was always (and still is) a rural, Appalachian section of conservative small towns, villages, and hamlets. There are enough of them to elect conservative, religious representatives to the state legislature.
BTW, MA was not always liberal, if you go back to the colony. I have Puritan ancestors who went first to the MA Bay Colony, but left because it was too conservative for them. So they relocated to "liberal" CT. But then they moved up the CT River Valley into the wild frontier of western MA. Both states claimed the northwestern part of PA that I come from, so that region and nearby southwestern NY were settled by migrants from CT and MA. They carried their Puritan views with them.
It was the later influx of immigrants from other countries at the height of the Industrial Revolution that brought in unions and Democratic membership.
usaf-vet
(6,194 posts)I should know that stuff my wife is a Mayflower Descendant.
She spent years in her spare time trying to prove or disprove her grandmother's belief passed down from generation to generation that they were.
She proved the line in August 2017
wnylib
(21,558 posts)more history from tracing my family than from high school and college history of America.
usaf-vet
(6,194 posts)Boy over the years the database and tools to make genealogical research easier are amazing.
When my wife started her research it would take weeks if not months and $$$$ to get one official document. During the last few years, most were readily available online in digital format.
wnylib
(21,558 posts)Decades ago, in my early 20s and long before the Internet, I asked my father where his grandmother was buried so I could get dates to someday research. He told me that his grandmother had told him about ancestors from colonial MA and CT, and farther back to England. But he did not have specific names, dates, or locations. I found her grave in a family plot, which took me back another generation.
Fast forward to the Internet era and Ancestry.com. While browsing online, I got a pop up ad for Ancestry's family tree search engine to a data base where hundreds of researchers had posted what they found. I entered the names and dates that I had and found that several people had researched those lines of my family. Colonial parents had huge families for several generations so those ancestors have several descendant researchers.
One in particular had done meticulously detailed research and records verification of my line. Some of those ancestors were mentioned in books and a few had whole articles and books written about them. So, besides verified names, dates, and locations, I collected stories about some of them.
The hardest work for me was only in getting the documentation that connected my more recent relatives to those long genealogical records. But it was not that hard since I knew where to look for them.
ffr
(22,671 posts)ck4829
(35,079 posts)paleotn
(17,938 posts)And much if not most of America is ridiculously weak.
whathehell
(29,082 posts)As for the rest, forget the negative broad brush and speak for yourself.
paleotn
(17,938 posts)whathehell
(29,082 posts)Obviously, you're NOT seeing clearly.
JudyM
(29,263 posts)wnylib
(21,558 posts)crickets
(25,982 posts)malaise
(269,144 posts)Rec