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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust now Morning Joe. S FL doctors walked out of the hospital in protest.
They are protesting that other people can't get treated because the hospital is filled with unvaccinated Covid patients.
Lovie777
(12,281 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)This is ridiculous to break healthcare system for willfully unvaxed mask holes!
Let them go to a veterinary hospital and use horse, cow or sheep de-wormer.
Tribetime
(4,699 posts)Jim__
(14,077 posts)Maybe he should order a truck load of bleach (from a friend of course).
MyMission
(1,850 posts)That should free up a lot of hospital beds.
Another snarky thought I had: the sick ones who now want the vaccine (as if it will cure them!)
Just give them a shot and send them home. Some will live and some will die.
If they return to ER, explain they got the vax too late, no beds available.
zuul
(14,627 posts)The anti-vaxxers are taking horse and sheep medication already. Let the vets treat them.
Tribetime
(4,699 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)he probably thinks he can.
beemerphill
(460 posts)Perhaps THIS will get the attention of the nut jobs who don't want the vaccine.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 23, 2021, 10:57 AM - Edit history (1)
I feel bad for all of the non-COVID cases who aren't going to get help, though.
Botany
(70,520 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:40 PM - Edit history (1)
.... who needed surgery and then ICU care or if somebody had a family member in a car accident
that needed ICU care but that space is being used up by somebody who gets their medical advice
from facebook and QAnon.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Hopefully, with these doctors' actions, and with the full FDA vaccine approval, things will rapidly sink in with enough of The Idiocracy to slow things down.
Nevilledog
(51,124 posts)Botany
(70,520 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)
... I wish it was not true.
ProfessorGAC
(65,078 posts)Every vax refuser should be forced to see that.
Moebym
(989 posts)He's not their child.
They'd probably be happy to see him die.
wnylib
(21,497 posts)for unvaccinated covid patients and keep regular hospital facilities for the general population and for vaccinated people who become infected and need care.
I am serious about this suggestion and not just expressing frustrated hyperbole. We can't let the decisions of unvaccinated people harm the rest of society beyond the harm they already do by spreading the virus.
Botany
(70,520 posts)Yup! Palliative care, food and water, and all the pain meds they want. BTW
all personal who take care of these "non vaxxers" are in the very best PPE that
can be had.
Hospitals are for sick people who trust science, doctors, nurses, and medicine.
And if they don't like the tents then they can go home and get their treatments
from the internet.
wnylib
(21,497 posts)I am not suggesting this as a punishment for not getting the vaccine. They are patients, regardless of how foolish they are. They should get the care that they need toward the goal of survival and recovery.
But we need to keep hospitals functioning for the rest of society. We should not let people with heart attacks, emergency childbirth cases, car accident victims, etc. go without the care they need because hospitals are filled with covid patients. Set up a separate place for them. Not necessarily tents. Convert other buildings into centralized care facilities that covid patients can be taken to for the care that they need instead of letting hospitals get overwhelmed by them to the point that care is not available for other people.
Demobrat
(8,982 posts)Maybe places more like indoor arenas and entertainment venues. Places where temperatures can be controlled. I'd give them that. Other than that, yes, I agree we need to start setting up separate facilities for these people.
wnylib
(21,497 posts)See my #71 in response to another post.
We did it years ago for tuberculosis patients. Separate facilities that specialize in covid treatment, both immediate and long term, like a cancer care center. Specialized centers could offer recovery treatment beyond the initial care. Follow up on organ damage, longhaul brain fog, fatigue, los of smell and taste. Research labs for developing treatments and collecting and analyzing data on the affected people, the different variants, R0 numbers, genetic susceptibility.
Covid centers around the country to take in patients at all stages of infection and recovery.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,036 posts)jaxexpat
(6,837 posts)They all sleep at the R. DeSantis perpetual re-election campaign headquarters. Can't miss the place. Big banner reads, "We need more of whatever this is!"
Botany
(70,520 posts)tri·age /trēˈäZH/
Definition of triage
1a : the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors
b : the sorting of patients (as in an emergency room) according to the urgency of their need for care
2 : the assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or are most likely to achieve success
None of these non mask wearing idiots who refused to get vaccinated should get science based
medical care or take up hospital space especially ICU beds.
Takket
(21,578 posts)Dont doctors have the ability to kick out patients they cant help? If some unvaccinated person with low survival chances is taking up a bed a person with high survival chances could use, is it not in fact their moral duty to treat the person with the higher survival chance?
malaise
(269,063 posts)This should be national
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)from "dereliction of duty" to "completely abandoning his responsibilities." By decree, he is murdering civilians.
And he wants to be the next Trump, who administratively murdered over a half million people.
And he's the front runner for winning the next gubernatorial election.
NO ONE could make this up.
Mme. Defarge
(8,034 posts)Takket
(21,578 posts)Is the real story.
NH Ethylene
(30,813 posts)I can't fathom what it is like for healthcare workers during this pandemic. The job must be incredibly stressful.
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Tent hospitals for unvaxxed people with COVID
And treated with hydroxychloroquine, bleach, Lysol, a UV light rectally, and some horse medicine.
Treated by the 'experts' who have done their research on social media.
Plus a hefty dose of 'blood of Christ'.
Botany
(70,520 posts)Give em food and water, only palliative care, pain killers, and make sure anybody around them
have the very best PPE.
ProfessorGAC
(65,078 posts)During the Korean war, he was stationed in Naples as a translator in the tent hospitals.
The locals had nowhere to go because of the damage from naval shelling a few years before.
So, they needed corpsman who could speak Italian.
I remember his pictures of that.
Before he got out, buildings were constructed, so there was actually a US army hospital. But, for the first couple years, it was a tent city.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)The song is "Suicide is Painless"
BTW, on the other side of the hills behind the helicopter in the opening shot is the famous "HOLLYWOOD" sign. A little movie magic goes a long way.
Wingus Dingus
(8,055 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Since we know they wont get vaxxed, these doctors are basically advocating for them to be have a lesser priority.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)No vaccine (if you can take it) you are on your own.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,662 posts)The anti-vaxxers continue to show how incredibly selfish they are.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,435 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,018 posts)Remaining hospitals could then be reserved for everyone else needing hospitalization. If you refuse to be vaccinated and get Covid, you know youll have limited access to a hospital bed.
Perhaps this sounds heartless, but Im over the pandering to the refuseniks while the rest of the population has to cancel needed healthcare. And what about those with compromised immune systems, which is the case with cancer patients and those with organ transplants. They need care, too, but the anti-vaxxers are taking up most of the hospital beds. Its hard to refuse treatment, but were allowing this minority to have its way to the detriment of the majority.
Nasruddin
(754 posts)If you refuse to be vaccinated and get Covid, you know youll have limited access to a hospital bed.
I'm worried that a solution like this might be used to set some kind of precedent that would be used badly later. Medical industry is always looking for ways to control costs this way. Their spreadsheet wizards will find a way.
On another hand, this is not the summer of 2020, when COVID was just another illness. Now it's partly preventable and mostly mitigatable by vaccine, so most anti-vaxxers have made their choice. It doesn't seem fair at all that COVID infected anti-vaxxers can then soak up all available medical resources. I'm forced to agree with you - it's a new version of the trolley problem I guess.
Tbear
(488 posts)Work shifts at a hospital for only unvaxxed covid patients
barbtries
(28,799 posts)for some of my very own loved ones who refuse to get the jab. i am so over this covidiocy! aargh
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Save me because I won't help myself.
Aristus
(66,393 posts)Don't piss off the doctors...
patphil
(6,183 posts)I was talking with my wife just a few minutes before seeing this post about the very same thing. I wonder how many people have died because they can't get treatment due to the surge of unvaccinated covid patients.
In a pandemic, responsibility greatly outweighs freedom. Unfortunately, we have a whole lot of selfish people who think their freedom is more important than civic responsibility.
But when they get sick they are very willing to accept medical treatment for a disease they refused to take any steps to protect themselves from.
At least, as of today, the Pfizer vaccine is fully approved. So that excuse not to get a shot is no more.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Hospitals are run as for profit businesses. They don't want empty beds so beds and staffing are kept to a minimum. They didn't plan for a pandemic or a pandemic of the unvaxed. The doctors and nurses and support staff are all collateral damage of the hospitals for profit business model.
orleans
(34,060 posts)Nasruddin
(754 posts)Unfortunately, we have a whole lot of selfish people who think their freedom is more important than civic responsibility.
Why don't we frame this as your freedom vs my freedom? This is a little less abstract than "civic responsibility". For all I know these fools think they're being civically responsible by resisting this terrible government coercion of making them wear a mask or get a shot. (Just like in 1776).
Maybe they can understand the concept of not infringing on others' rights. I know it's a stretch for 'em, but some can probably make it.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Amazing how these scumbag antivax idiots put my family at risk if we have a medical emergency after we did all the right things.
obamanut2012
(26,081 posts)My family and I agree.
Ligyron
(7,636 posts)The anti-science crowd is in front of the School Board right now protesting the mask mandate for kids in PB County schools.
What do you want to bet most them dont even have kids in school?
obamanut2012
(26,081 posts)To make masks mandatory, just not expected. The friend said literally only like 10-15% of kids have on masks (first day of classes). Many staff don't, either, except apparently in the Admin building, the Cashier's Office and the Library, where the majority are masked.
nvme
(860 posts)How do you cure stupid?
obamanut2012
(26,081 posts)In the counties' convention halls. Leave the hospitals for people who need help and are vaxxed, except for kids under 18.
My niece was rushed out of the hospital here after giving birth, even though they wanted her to stay in an extra night because of her iron. Hospice patients are being taken out, no elective surgeries even if actually needed, no room for accident victims, cancer surgery, etc.
Put them in MASH units and see what God decides for them.
nuxvomica
(12,431 posts)And staff them with social-media influencers. Tell the non-vaccinated they can go there. Let the Republican donors like the Mercers pay for it unless they shut down Newsmax, OAN and Fox.
lindysalsagal
(20,693 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,693 posts)Good for them. Demand masks and vaxxes. Publish statements explaining that it's not the government, but the science.
FelineOverlord
(3,580 posts)leftstreet
(36,109 posts)People came off shift and made these statements
No one is refusing to treat patients
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
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OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,183 posts)Do it gently, or do it with a sledgehammer, I don't care. Enough is enough.
(V.O.)
(Picture) This four-year-old couldn't get admitted for a life-threatening condition. All ICU beds were occupied by unvaccinated Covid patients.
(Picture) This two-year-old died from lack of available treatment facilities. Same reason.
Is this your idea of "freedom"? For innocents to stuffer so you can strut around and bleat about your "freedom"? With freedom comes responsibilities. REAL patriots know that.
Get vaccinated. It's the Patriotic thing to do.
Would that approach piss 'em off? Sure. What doesn't? Would they feel shamed? Probably not, but I'll settle for "scorned," "shunned," and "ridiculed." Wouldn't it further divide the country? Hmmmph. Define "further."
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Probably can be done out patient which I was told last week they are still doing up here in North Florida - they are not doing any inpatient surgeries. i thought I would get a call by now to set it up, but so far crickets.
It is not an emergency but if the condition (mid-line hernia from a previous operation) is not treated fairly soon I could get complications to make it one.
I just hope things haven't gotten so bad that they will have to stop out patient surgeries, too.
Maraya1969
(22,484 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)They got me in right away. So with the current situation - I'm in Florida - I won't blame the medical people for not being able to accommodate me immediately. They would love to get me taken care of quickly, but the Covidiots are preventing it.
liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)heroes are careful, because you know Gov. DeSatan DeathSentence will be really pissed off!
Javaman
(62,531 posts)people are sick and tired of the whiny antivaxx shitheads.
this is building and it won't end will for the antivaxxers.