Jesse Jackson's wife was not vaccinated.

[former9thward]

Jesse Jackson has been fully vaccinated, receiving his first shot in January at a public event where he urged others to do the same. But Jacqueline Jackson has not been vaccinated, according to longtime family spokesman Frank Watkins.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jesse-jackson-wife-jacqueline-responding-positively-covid-19-treatment-n1277419

I hope they both recover.

[RockRaven]

1. Oh no...

[boston bean]

2. Oh my. She should have gotten the shot.

[Celerity]

3. smdh

[Maru Kitteh]

4. Right?

[Lucky Luciano]

5. Fucking moron

[StarfishSaver]

64. How dare you speak about Jesse Jackson's wife that way

Jackie Jackson has spent her life fighting for civil rights, has made sacrifices that would have broken most people, and has done more for social justice than probably anyone in this thread trashing her.

You know nothing about her life, her medical conditions or why she wasn't vaccinated. So cursing this woman and calling her a "moron" is outrageous.

Sometimes this place makes me sick.

[Amishman]

67. Even good people make poor decisions

And Jackie made an exceptionally poor one in this case.

Hopefully she can recover and encourage others to learn from her bad choice and self inflicted ordeal.

[StarfishSaver]

69. You have no idea whether her decision was a poor one since you don't know

what her decision was based on. And someone calling her a "fucking moron" when they know nothing about her circumstances is beyond the pale.

Edited to correct my assumption that I was responding to the person who attacked Mrs. Jackson.

And to add that Rev. Jackson said today that his wife wasn't vaccinated because of a preexisting condition.

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/jesse-jackson-doing-fairly-well-in-hospital-with-covid-19/

[BeerBarrelPolka]

70. Amishman

Amishman was not the person to call her a moron. Someone else did.

[StarfishSaver]

71. You're right

I will edit my post.

[Amishman]

72. I was not aware of the pre- existing condition

Though other a polyethylene glycol allergy, there aren't many possible conditions that could justify it.

Hopefully she explains more after her recovery, she could also use her experience as an example to get more of the AA community to get vaccinated.

[StarfishSaver]

73. Why should she explain anything to anyone?

She told the world through her husband that she didn't take the vaccination because of a preexisting condition. She didn't even owe anyone that, but she certainly doesn't have any obligation to lay bare to the public her medical history. It's no one's business at all.

[MichMan]

6. Waiting for the comments from those here who say anyone not vaccinated should be denied treatment

[Polybius]

11. Someone already called her a moron above

I just think she made a mistake.

[MichMan]

16. My issue is with people posting that anyone not vaccinated should be denied all medical treatment.

Too many to count on other threads.

Not the same as calling someone a moron, yet treating them anyway

[Mr.Bill]

23. Yes, I agree. n/t

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. How is this a mistake?

Stumping my toe is a mistake. Not getting vaccinated is stupid and selfish.unless there are medical reasons.

[Polybius]

32. I didn't get my second shot until July

I'm sure I would have been blasted here had I posted this in June.

[Bucky]

35. Sure, it's a mistake. But dying or getting severe disabilities isn't a punishment for that.

I can't stand hearing people taking the "they had it coming" position. It's consequences, but it's not "just desserts." No one deserves this disease. It's taken 630,000 of our countrymen. We can't let it take our humanity too.

[Demsrule86]

49. The people dying now in large part could have prevented their deaths and by taking the vaccine,

and they put all of us-particularly- children at risk. However, they will pay a price. The insurance companies will make them pay deductibles and out-of-pocket costs...and that serves them right.

[Happy Hoosier]

27. A persistent and repeated mistake?

C’mon…. She made a shitty choice. She should have known better.

[GulfCoast66]

22. I will. If there is a shortage of ICU beds, and she needs the ICU,

Then it should go to a vaccinated person that needs it. But, of course that is unlikely. And no one should be dragged out of ICU to allow vaccinated people to be there. It should only be a triage decision. Which only a few areas are dealing with. Like here in Florida.

It is hypocrisy to suddenly have sympathy for those who refuse the vaccine because they are on our side.

Huge exception! If her doctor recommended against a vaccine for pre-existing conditions then I withdraw my earlier comments.

It really is none of our business.

I wish them both well.

[Bucky]

36. I'm pissed at the anti-vaxxers too. But trust me on this...

You don't want to live in a world where doctors have the discretion of choosing who deserves to be treated.

They should treat the patients that come in. All things being equal, they should treat the ones who need it first and in the order they come in at. If supplies start running out, they should triage. They do NOT choose who deserves to be helped.

[XanaDUer2]

39. I got attacked for pointing

that out- the slippery slope of deciding who gets medical care.

[Bucky]

40. And you getting attacked is just a slippery slope toward someone attacking ME!!

Were you attacked or did someone just write a critical post about you?

[XanaDUer2]

43. they were nasty

not sure I'm getting what you mean.

[Bucky]

44. Nothing much. "Attacked" is a pretty heavy word.

I don't know if it's warranted by someone just typing shitty things about me on the internet. YMMV.

Still, there's no reason why a bunch of Democrats can't argue maturely on an all-Dem discussion board. Mean people suck. So you didn't deserve to be insulted. I recommend not paying attention to uncivil people.

[DenaliDemocrat]

47. Oh fuck yes I do.

I was in and out of the hops with asthma and chronic bronchitis my entire child. My selfish chain smoking parents WOULD. NOT. STOP. Not even for a sick kid who had to go to National Jewish hospital.

Their fucked in choices caused me immeasurable suffering up to and including hospitalization.

If a hospital bed were to have to be chosen between a non smoker and them, I am totally cool with a Dr. making this decision.

[Demsrule86]

50. They already to in a number of states where LGBTQ and Trans people can be denied care....red states.

[LeftInTX]

56. We could not deny care in Texas....

[Demsrule86]

58. I believe the legislature is trying to such a bill passed. Ohio already did.

Governor DeWine Signs State Budget That Includes Anti-LGBTQ Medical Refusal Language
by Wyatt Ronan • July 1, 2021

Governer Mike DeWine signed an Ohio state budget that included language allowing health care workers, hospitals, and health insurance companies to refuse to provide or pay for medical services on the basis of moral, ethical, or religious objection. After being added to the Senate version of the budget, the language was retained by the Ohio General Assembly’s conference committee, before being passed on an up or down vote by both chambers and landing on Governor DeWine’s desk. The provision allows medical practitioners to deny medical care based upon the provider’s personal beliefs, including for LGBTQ people in Ohio. Governor DeWine had the opportunity to line-item veto the language while signing the rest of the budget into law and refused to do so.

This provision is one of more than 250 anti-LGBTQ bills that came under consideration in more than 30 state legislatures across the country in the 2021 legislative session. Human Rights Campaign President Alphonso David released the following statement in response to Governor DeWine signing a state budget with dangerous anti-LGBTQ medical refusal provisions:

[LeftInTX]

54. It would be a violation of medical ethics anyway

It won't happen.....

You grit your teeth, wring your hands and deal with it....
I worked in neonatal and most of the nurses working in neonatal are childbearing age...Some of us had fertility issues. Since I worked at the county hospital, many of the moms had another type of fertility issue and they used drugs while they were pregnant....We also had plenty of 22 year old moms who were on like their 5th baby. It was really hard emotionally for nurses to smile and be polite to those moms when they couldn't have babies of their own.

I couldn't get pregnant for awhile...and it was tough...everyday...moms with babies...moms who were irresponsible and having babies...it was hard...Fortunately, after awhile, I got pregnant again and as soon as I did, those feelings went away, I had lost my objectivity during that time. However, the ethics were objective and we all followed them..
It was a real hard time for me though. The joy I felt at my job had turned into depression, however as soon as I got pregnant again, I put a smile on my face and was just happy to be among all the moms and babies....

One nurse had a baby that was born with congenital defects that only lived a few days...it was sooo hard for her to go back to work...

One nurse was from Taiwan and we took care of many immigrants who had just crossed the border. One time, she lashed out about it and said, "I came here legally and had to do this and that and went through all this work to get here and these women just walk over here and have babies"....She was coming from her own place and struggles. She did get in trouble for saying it though.

[Bucky]

68. You're on the front lines. I can't imagine what you're going through

I have friends who are nurses. One came out of retirement to work with hospital experiencing shortages and personnel. Another is a nurse in maternity section who's seen an infant with covid. It's an absolutely shitty situation all around.

We're not treating this like the invasion that it is. We're not treating the anti-vaxxers like fifth columnists, which they are--doing the enemy's work from behind the lines.

But we're not going to beat their barbarian ethics by behaving barbarically ourselves. You know the old saying, choose your enemies wisely for you shall become them. We need to decide if our enemy is the virus, which fights relentlessly, or if our enemy is the moral reprobates behind the anti-vax movement.

I'd rather fight relentlessly then turn my own people. Yes, even the bad and stupid ones

[Treefrog]

46. There's another thread about not caring about such people on the front page now.

Guess they include Mrs. Jackson in that.

[Jose Garcia]

51. Some people incorrectly assume that Trump voters are the only adults who are unvaccinated

[LeftInTX]

53. Or that they're a MAGAt

[StarryNite]

7. For Pete's sake.

smdh

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Pretty big assumption of "If he doesn't get it, then I won't get it."

[former9thward]

9. Total speculation of course but possibly she got it

and then it spread to him since he is compromised with Parkinson's.

[UTUSN]

10. I'm sorrily curious as to why not. None of my business.

[Polybius]

12. Unfortunately, a lot of older black Americans feel this way

My Uncle won't get it and he's 80-something. He said to me I was a fool for getting the shot because the government experimented on blacks in the 40's.

[UTUSN]

13. Am extra sorry.

[Polybius]

14. Thank you

This is why I get furious when people here say that those who willingly refuse to get the vaccine deserve to die. It makes my blood boil.

[MichMan]

18. Yes, there are some messed up people here sometimes

Or they are just deliberately trying to be assholes on an anonymous site.

[XanaDUer2]

21. Lots of grave dancing nt

[Treefrog]

28. Thank you.

I’ve pointed out umpteen times how much the grave dancing is a bad look, not to mention how classless and cruel it is.

A llot of people seem to think only white repubs get the virus. Therefore, anyone who gets it deserves it.

I’ve been slammed for pointing out how wrong this is, and I’ll continue tp do so. Good to see I’m not alone.

I hope Reverend Jackson and his wife recover.

[luv2fly]

25. Some days DU is a cesspool

Personally my only solution is to walk away for some time, since I've learned when I say what I think I inadvertently offend one of the all-too-eager self-appointed alerter police.

[Treefrog]

29. Oh yes indeedy.

[LanternWaste]

33. Six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as likely as the other

"Or they are just deliberately trying to be sanctimonious at the expense of others on an anonymous site..."

Six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as likely as the other.

[Treefrog]

41. Right on cue!

Perplexed as to your use of quotes however?

[cadoman]

15. it's a privilege to be able to trust your government

We're fortunate that we know our government is in 100% alignment with science and objectivity, and acting in everyone's best interest with this vaccine, especially Blacks.

It wasn't the same situation when your uncle was growing up so he is unfortunately unable to benefit as the rest of us are. Hopefully he will see how well people are doing with the vaccine and the horrible effects of COVID that the non-vaccinated are experiencing and change his mind soon!

[LiberalFighter]

17. Yet this vaccine was tested with all races and whites are taking it.

Do they somehow think it reacts differently for non-whites?

[treestar]

59. Yes, that is cutting off your nose to spite your face

They did bad things in the 40s, so we're going to mistrust them 80 years later and put ourselves in danger. And the conspiracy this time includes giving all the white people a different vaccine.

[StarfishSaver]

65. Maybe you should talk to an elderly Black person about this

And tell them you think they're stupid.

[Mr.Bill]

20. Having no idea why she has not been vaccinated,

I will reserve judgement. She could have a perfectly good medical reason.

[MustLoveBeagles]

24. That's a possibility

[luckone]

52. + 1 I don't think most people realize that.

[Treefrog]

55. Apparently not, judging by the grave dancing threads for the unvaxxed.

No one stops to think why they’re unvaxxed or what party they’re from.

I actually saw a post where someone said they wished the person pain, suffering, and loss. I find that mind-boggling.

[Treefrog]

30. If I only had a dollar for every post like that I've seen.

By many posters.

[rockfordfile]

34. Well what should happen is you get vaccinated there at the hospital.

[Bucky]

37. Yeah, but you don't put on a kevlar vest after you've been shot

Sorry if I'm missing out on you just being sarcastic. Perhaps you already know that once you come into the hospital for Covid, it's too late to get vaccinated.

[LeftInTX]

57. Or this thread here:

"GOP losing 1000 voters a day and climbing"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215773252

[treestar]

60. Picturing all such persons as Magats

Which is a generalization true to a certain extent. But not completely.

[JI7]

31. I wonder if he knew she wasn't vaccinated.

[Demovictory9]

38. why not?

[obamanut2012]

42. Unless she has a medical condition not allowing her to be vaxxed

Then I agree with the poster calling her a moron, and I will add she is also a danger to society.

Why in the world are folks giving her a pass because she is a Dem and Jesse's wife?!

If she has a LEGITIMATE reason not to be vaxxed (and there are very few legit reasons), then she isn't a moron, but she needs to protect those around her better if she lives.

[StarfishSaver]

66. No one's giving her a "pass"

We're recognizing that there could be a good reason she wasn't vaccinated, so we're giving this woman who's devoted her life to the fight for civil rights and whose health issues we know nothing about the benefit of the doubt because she's earned it.

[XanaDUer2]

45. Recc'd nt

[Wingus Dingus]

48. Pretty stupid, and she probably infected him.

[fescuerescue]

61. I'm surprised that she is an anti-vaxxer

[StarfishSaver]

62. You have no idea whether she's an anti-vaxxer

We don't know why she wasn't vaccinated

Jacqueline Jackson is entitled to the benefit of the doubt and certainly doesn't deserve the attacks and smears she's gotten in this thread.

[Treefrog]

63. No one has said she's an anti-vaxxer.

Maybe she has a medical reason, maybe she hates needles, maybe she’s a homebody and figured she was safe. Could be any number of reasons.