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Ocelot II

(115,733 posts)
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:02 PM Aug 2021

The Media Used Afghanistan To Get Revenge On Biden

After just seven months in office, President Joe Biden did what three presidents before him would not: He got us the hell out of Afghanistan. There was never going to be a smooth and peaceful end to this war and the Afghan army we spent 20 years and billions of dollars to train gave up without a fight. The press, naturally, responded with a nuanced look at two decades of failure before trying to assign blame.

Just kidding. They flew into an orgy of condemnation directed almost entirely at Biden. Hands were wrung. Pearls were clutched. “Journalists” seemed almost delighted to rage against the chaos at the Kabul airport where tens of thousands of people were rushing to be evacuated. No one knows how to lose a war/occupation and withdraw in an orderly fashion but, dammit, Joe Biden was at fault for not inventing a way!

With the unending stream of “Fall of Saigon'' comparisons, the press was clearly hoping for a true disaster to unfold. They did not get it. The Taliban did not overrun the airport and has been allowing airplanes to land, load up with refugees, and take off unmolested. As of this writing, almost 60,000 have been evacuated, 21,000 of them in just one 24-hour period. By way of comparison, the frantic evacuation of Saigon lasted 2 days and topped out at around 7,000. President Joe Biden is handling another crisis with competence and a lack of drama. The sense of pique among certain journalists is palpable.

If one were a cynical person, one would think the media’s hysteria was all about finally smashing “boring” Joe Biden over the head and that they have not learned a thing since 2016.
https://thebanter.substack.com/p/the-media-used-afghanistan-to-get

And, from Julia Ioffe:

Now that Trump is taking the wrecking ball to American democracy from behind the scenes and the rooms of Mar-a-Lago, the rubberneckers are gone, too. That means advertising revenue has started drying up, and standards are being raised. Conservative commentator and former Republican senator Rick Santorum lost his contract as a CNN political pundit after literally perpetuating the “birth of a nation” myth. But many other journalists and hazily named “strategists” lost their contracts in 2021, seen in the industry as easy publicity and easy money (contracts ranged from the mid-five figures to even the mid-six figures for a few appearances a month). That particular gravy train has left the station. “I mean, it wasn’t just the fact that Trump was a gravy train,” said one industry insider. “It’s also juxtaposed to the most boring administration in modern history. You go from a circus with flaming chainsaws to … what? An old man watching his dog?”

With the departure of Trump, temperatures have cooled and the shine of resistance celebrity has worn off. “There was certainly a prominence,” said yet another White House reporter, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized by their employer to speak on the record. “For the first time in my life, I was recognized on the street, people would buy me drinks, or take pictures of my house and post it online. I’m kind of glad to have that gone. When you become a print reporter, you don’t do it to become famous.”...

Olivia has also experienced the change in how people perceive her now that she writes about Biden and not Trump. “People would come up to me and thank me for all the work I was doing,” she told me. “You were a fucking hero for having procured those details on Trump.” She knows this wasn’t the norm, and that it shouldn’t be, but the switch in people’s perception of her has been swift. “I didn’t expect it to continue, but it’s even worse than I thought,” she said. “It’s completely thankless to criticize this president.”....

But many feel a yawning sense of emptiness and disappointment at what the ebbing Trump tide left behind. “I think everyone probably misses the ease of it, having so many willing leakers,” said the young White House reporter. “It made you think that you were better than you were. It made you think you were a really good reporter, but really, are you? I think we had an inflated sense of our abilities and it was all a fraud. Now everyone is exposed and everyone is dogshit. Where are the great stories? They don’t exist. I can’t remember the last time I read a great story that really revealed something about the Biden White House.”
https://ckarchive.com/b/k0umh6h0wo69

The "revenge" isn't ideological; it arises from the fact that the DC press corps isn't having fun anymore and don't get to be heroes.
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The Media Used Afghanistan To Get Revenge On Biden (Original Post) Ocelot II Aug 2021 OP
Media is not anti-Biden at140 Aug 2021 #1
Read the whole post again. They aren't anti-Biden as such; they just resent the fact Ocelot II Aug 2021 #3
The media was looking for an excuse to True Blue American Aug 2021 #7
Right, they're not anti-Biden - they're pro-sensationalism Salviati Aug 2021 #9
Many were definitely anti-Biden on the Afghan evac. brush Aug 2021 #11
The media? Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #38
You're exactly right. I myself had an extended back and forth with one poster... brush Aug 2021 #39
Can you tell me exactly how the last two weeks' coverage... ananda Aug 2021 #13
Sensational news is the only way at140 Aug 2021 #43
On Afghanistan they are... lame54 Aug 2021 #33
Much of the media has been out to get Democrats from the get go. Botany Aug 2021 #36
Having to really work hard isn't fun boys and girls of the MSM. Way easier to take pictures of a NoMoreRepugs Aug 2021 #2
"inflated sense of our abilities and it was all a fraud" treestar Aug 2021 #4
Joe's a straight arrow his life an open book Where's the fun in that? Walleye Aug 2021 #5
Media lose lucrative jobs True Blue American Aug 2021 #6
What's with that link? It's about media job loses in 2019. brush Aug 2021 #14
That is what my post True Blue American Aug 2021 #21
There has not been significant reporting from Afghanistan for years now. former9thward Aug 2021 #42
k and r Champp Aug 2021 #8
"You go from a circus with flaming chainsaws to ... " Jim__ Aug 2021 #10
Those stories don't come from leakers inside the White House, Ocelot II Aug 2021 #16
Smile. True Blue American Aug 2021 #22
One of the perils of separating from a narcissist. forgotmylogin Aug 2021 #40
Make it look like Hell on Earth moondust Aug 2021 #12
Richard Engel and Clarissa Ward are competing fot he Baghdad Bob award. Dawson Leery Aug 2021 #15
You saw that too? True Blue American Aug 2021 #23
Engel is a yellow journalist. Dawson Leery Aug 2021 #25
Adrenaline junkie. AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #29
Yes! justie18 Aug 2021 #32
This is specific to Biden, but it has been their MO my entire life Cosmocat Aug 2021 #17
Actually, as individuals most reporters lean a bit liberal even if their bosses don't. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #19
Most big MSM corporations want Republican majorities. We've SEEN Hortensis Aug 2021 #18
Yellow journalism. True Blue American Aug 2021 #24
I think they feel personally threatened and marybourg Aug 2021 #20
There is no doubt in my mind that at least... 3catwoman3 Aug 2021 #26
How ironic -- I was wondering if they want Biden to be a one-termer... AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #27
# Taliban trump is bitting the big one !! he's toast & fat man know's it !! monkeyman1 Aug 2021 #28
Olivia Nuzzi is a craven reporter. Glad she is now on the record as such, even if to deflect. (Nt) FreepFryer Aug 2021 #30
I read that as "the media didn't get herpes" AllyCat Aug 2021 #31
It's the drama of having Afghanistan fall before the US actually left andym Aug 2021 #34
Nah, "If it bleeds, it leads." That's all they were about Warpy Aug 2021 #35
the analysts continue to ignore the loss of trump and the republicans' greatest weapon - limbaugh certainot Aug 2021 #37
"I can't remember the last time I read a great story that really revealed something about the Biden chowder66 Aug 2021 #41
Bingo! peggysue2 Aug 2021 #44
+1 chowder66 Aug 2021 #45

Ocelot II

(115,733 posts)
3. Read the whole post again. They aren't anti-Biden as such; they just resent the fact
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:12 PM
Aug 2021

that he hasn't been feeding them the raw meat they used to get from Trump. Read the cited Julia Ioffe piece.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
7. The media was looking for an excuse to
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:28 PM
Aug 2021

Attack Biden. They did the same with Obama. Oh, my God a tan suit!

I am sure Biden wore one to taunt them. He is good at laughing them off.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
9. Right, they're not anti-Biden - they're pro-sensationalism
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:44 PM
Aug 2021

because it's easy, and lazy, and effective. The problem with sensationalism is that it feeds directly into the republican strategy.

brush

(53,787 posts)
11. Many were definitely anti-Biden on the Afghan evac.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:58 PM
Aug 2021

Last edited Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:09 PM - Edit history (1)

It was a feeding frenzy on how poorly it was handled and Biden should've known the Afghan army was going to lay down without a fight and that the Afghan president was going to flee with 160 some million crammed in his baggage.

Watched CNN lately?

Now of course they've quieted down since 50k have been evacuated in a bit more than a week.

brush

(53,787 posts)
39. You're exactly right. I myself had an extended back and forth with one poster...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:07 PM
Aug 2021

Last edited Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

on a thread who kept saying Austin should resign and Biden is a national embarrassment, and on and on.

I finally told him to stop spewing republican talking points which I can get on FOX and NewMax and get behind the president.

at140

(6,110 posts)
43. Sensational news is the only way
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:16 PM
Aug 2021

to increase revenue. If media is anti-Biden, who is media for? Trump? DeSantis? I don't think so.

lame54

(35,293 posts)
33. On Afghanistan they are...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:32 PM
Aug 2021

The coverage is vicious
The keep bringing on all the people responsible for the mess in the first place who are laying it all on Biden

Botany

(70,516 posts)
36. Much of the media has been out to get Democrats from the get go.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:40 PM
Aug 2021


"President Joe Biden is handling another crisis with competence and a lack of drama. The sense
of pique among certain journalists is palpable."


NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
2. Having to really work hard isn't fun boys and girls of the MSM. Way easier to take pictures of a
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:11 PM
Aug 2021

different raging dumpster fire EVERY single day wasn't it??

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
6. Media lose lucrative jobs
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:24 PM
Aug 2021
https://gen.medium.com/the-human-toll-of-the-2019-media-apocalypse-4347ef4dd708

I read an article yesterday about how many journalists will lose lucrative jobs with the end of the war in Afghanistan. They are beginning to sound like the Republican Party.

I noticed in the last couple of weeks how many young girls are at the PC’s and on TV. They do not have to pay much so they do not know much!

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
42. There has not been significant reporting from Afghanistan for years now.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:52 PM
Aug 2021

So I doubt many will "lose their jobs". Also the war ended 18 months ago with the withdrawal agreement. There has not been a combat death from the Taliban since then.

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
10. "You go from a circus with flaming chainsaws to ... "
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:46 PM
Aug 2021

To:

  • ending a 20 year long war
  • a continuing attempt to overthrow democracy
  • the hottest months in recorded history
  • record breaking forest fires
  • deadly floods
  • ...


Yeah. How could a reporter find something newsworthy in any of those?

Ocelot II

(115,733 posts)
16. Those stories don't come from leakers inside the White House,
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:09 PM
Aug 2021

so they aren't as much fun to report on. A reporter with an inside source has much more cachet than some ink-stained wretch who has to collect and explain information from public sources.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
40. One of the perils of separating from a narcissist.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:08 PM
Aug 2021

The reason people flock to them is they are interesting and fun in some way. Trump is a fucking celebrity and like a train wreck that is hard to look away from.

Joe is a veteran diplomat and might, to ratings-hungry news media, seem a wet blanket. That's true. The wet blanket is putting out the smoldering wreckage of fires left behind by years of bad decisions.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
12. Make it look like Hell on Earth
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 12:59 PM
Aug 2021

and blame it on Biden and Democrats. Lawless GQP grifters are better for the bottom line.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
15. Richard Engel and Clarissa Ward are competing fot he Baghdad Bob award.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:06 PM
Aug 2021

Engel only cries in sorrow when refugees are safely evacuated.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
23. You saw that too?
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:42 PM
Aug 2021

I never thought Richard would go the low road. He did this week with trying to find the sensational.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
17. This is specific to Biden, but it has been their MO my entire life
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:12 PM
Aug 2021

They are absolutely driven to level the playing field for Rs - so the worse an R administration is the more contrived they have to be to dirty up a D potus.

Ocelot II

(115,733 posts)
19. Actually, as individuals most reporters lean a bit liberal even if their bosses don't.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:20 PM
Aug 2021

What drives their reporting is the availability of dirt. At least since the Nixon administration the GOP has been much dirtier, and therefore more interesting, than the Democrats. Clinton's dalliance with Lewinsky gave them some fun times because sex, but otherwise the Dems have been kind of dull because they haven't been as corrupt. Just reporting on the day-to-day operations of government is kind of a drag if there aren't any scandals, crimes or salacious leaks.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Most big MSM corporations want Republican majorities. We've SEEN
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:18 PM
Aug 2021

them over years slant the coverage and even blatantly lie as close elections cause pressure to abandon pretenses of unbiased journalism.

There are many STUDIES of journalistic slant proving its existence and quantifying it in every election.

What's not to understand?

How many here believed Hillary was corrupt and couldn't be trusted, that her emails and FOIA filings pretending to search for guilt needed to be discussed every. single. day. without. fail? That was a major theme hit heavily by ALL cable networks and most major national print media. And it succeeded.

Now the media have had to cover the Republican pandemic as it rages, even though it's damaging to Republicans. So the genuinely huge story of the Afghanistan withdrawal not only gives them something else to cover, but both a distraction from the Republican pandemic and a means of undermining belief in Democrats.

Of course they're hitting it all they can. It's not revenge for the big bosses. It's business and it's ideology.

"It's the elections, Stupid."

It's always about who gets power.


marybourg

(12,633 posts)
20. I think they feel personally threatened and
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:37 PM
Aug 2021

disrespected by the absence of forewarning to them, the failure to prioritize them and their Afghani sources in evacuation, and their personal relationships and empathy for their specific Afghani contacts. As we used to say in N.Y. : hey, they’re taking it personal!

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
26. There is no doubt in my mind that at least...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:05 PM
Aug 2021

...some in the press have just been aching for something that they can shred President Biden for.

It must be pretty boring to have a POTUS who goes to work and does his job competently without making a big fuss about everything, and who is not a whiner and a bottomless needy pit who requires constant attention and adulation.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
27. How ironic -- I was wondering if they want Biden to be a one-termer...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:15 PM
Aug 2021

…then I saw this.

What the media doesn’t understand is, this was going to be a shitshow regardless of when we left, or whoever ordered it. That’s what happens when you’ve been entrenched in a country for two decades.

Biden made a correct and courageous decision. It was long past time to go. But seeing that takes reflection and analysis that don’t fit a 24/7 news cycle, so the media’s ginning up the outrage.

The media is an insatiable beast — it always has to keep stirring that shit. My consumption of cable news has dropped off dramatically since last week.

andym

(5,444 posts)
34. It's the drama of having Afghanistan fall before the US actually left
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:37 PM
Aug 2021

That was unexpected. It raised the issue of casualties, maybe even hostages like what happened in Iran in 1979. No doubt the media had visions of the fall of Vietnam or of the US Embassy takeover in Tehran.

The plan was apparently for the US to leave, and then if Afghanistan fell 6 months afterwards, the news stories would have been bad but less sensational-- though blame would still have been handed out to President Biden and to past Presidents.

Warpy

(111,274 posts)
35. Nah, "If it bleeds, it leads." That's all they were about
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:38 PM
Aug 2021

Showing desperate people trying to hold back a cargo plane overloaded with people as it was taking off made a great visual. Reporting on a clusterfuck kept people tuned in. This is what broadcast media have become.

The background that this is TFG's mess, that Stephen Miller refused to allow processing of visas for Afghan allies, well, that's all boring stuff that detracts from the visuals. Yes, they're that shallow.

And people wonder why I turned the lot of them off in 2004.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
37. the analysts continue to ignore the loss of trump and the republicans' greatest weapon - limbaugh
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:42 PM
Aug 2021

and the 1500 radio stations that had to follow his lead or be screamed at by dittoheads

trumpism died with limbaugh and the sooner dems recognize it and wave his bloated corpse in front of manchin sinema and other conservadems that use the talk radio constituencies to enable their corporate bendovers the better

chowder66

(9,073 posts)
41. "I can't remember the last time I read a great story that really revealed something about the Biden
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:30 PM
Aug 2021

White House.”

Oh I don't know.... the hundreds of thousand lives he's saving with vaccines or the tens of thousands of lives he's evacuating, the child poverty levels dropping significantly, the honor and integrity he has brought back to the people's house, the economy....they all seem like really great stories to me. That list goes on.

I don't find anything that his administration is doing as boring. It's a lot of good news, good policy and it's good for a country that went through the FUBAR years.

The media is relying on the tabloid readers/watchers.

peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
44. Bingo!
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:35 PM
Aug 2021

The media has classified competence and seriousness as 'boring' after the shit-show we had with Trump. They miss the 'ease' of writing articles on all things Trumpy bc that world was filled with fraud and incompetence and vindictiveness. The stories wrote themselves. And though the one reporter says he never expected a reporting job to bring notoriety and/or fame, you gotta believe that sense of it--being recognized on the street or offered a beer at the local pub--is missed a teeny-weeny bit.

It became an addiction, the constant turmoil, the clusterf*ck that was Donald J. Trump. We'll see if our journalistic class can kick the habit.

As for right now? They're not off to a solid start if they truly want a readership beyond the tabloid lovers.

No one expects governance to be flashy or exciting. It just has to work.




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