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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,739 posts)
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:17 PM Aug 2021

Hillary Clinton's 'deplorables' speech shocked voters five years ago - some feel it was prescient

Let's start with the obvious: "Basket of deplorables" is a weird turn of phrase. There are baskets and there are deplorable people, but pairing the two is the oddest of linguistic odd couples.

Hillary Clinton said those three words in the final months of her 2016 presidential campaign, making rhetorical and political history. There were two kinds of Donald Trump supporters, she explained: Voters who feel abandoned and desperate, who she placed in one metaphorical basket, and those she called "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamophobic" - her "basket of deplorables."

Trump - the same man who announced his candidacy by calling Mexican immigrants "rapists" - clutched his proverbial pearls, aghast that his opponent had uttered such a shocking slander. His campaign turned that insult into an asset; supporters wore hats and shirts proudly declaring themselves deplorable. Pundits seized on the phrase, debating who does and doesn't deserve to be called that. Five years later, many believe "deplorables" - figuratively and literally - are here to stay.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clintons-deplorables-speech-shocked-144426533.html

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Hillary Clinton's 'deplorables' speech shocked voters five years ago - some feel it was prescient (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 OP
She was too kind. dalton99a Aug 2021 #1
You read my mind MustLoveBeagles Aug 2021 #2
The MAGA hat guy looks constipated. oasis Aug 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2021 #3
I can't remember which book I read this in, but her aides had heard her use the basket of betsuni Aug 2021 #4
Well... Mike Nelson Aug 2021 #5
They both had it right Deuxcents Aug 2021 #6
While Trump's campaign was one purposeful gaff after another iemanja Aug 2021 #7
How about Obama's "..they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them.." sop Aug 2021 #8
That phrase is genius, both for its accuracy and for its imaginative use of language. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #9
Hillary was right on this LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #10
What was so shocking about it? Beacool Aug 2021 #11
Ask so called moderate Democrats? tonedevil Sep 2021 #14
Yeah, I remember. Beacool Sep 2021 #17
Her characterization was understated. Disaffected Sep 2021 #13
Ugh romana Sep 2021 #15
I was only shocked because lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #16
How about scumbuckets? xmas74 Sep 2021 #18

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
4. I can't remember which book I read this in, but her aides had heard her use the basket of
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:27 PM
Aug 2021

deplorables thing many times in private (there were more categories in the basket). Same thing with Michelle Obama saying it was the first time she was proud of her country. That was fine in front of supporters, but aides worried they were so used to a positive response they might use it in public out of habit, and that's what happened.

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
5. Well...
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:39 PM
Aug 2021

... she was correct. She should have repeated the belief... perhaps with different phrasing each time, but with the same idea... and no apologies.

iemanja

(53,012 posts)
7. While Trump's campaign was one purposeful gaff after another
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:44 PM
Aug 2021

Typical double-standard. It didn't help that anti-Hillary leftists picked it up in their quest to see her defeated.

sop

(10,100 posts)
8. How about Obama's "..they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them.."
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 09:46 PM
Aug 2021

Obama's complete statement was also quite prescient:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,919 posts)
10. Hillary was right on this
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 10:58 PM
Aug 2021




Let’s start with the obvious: “Basket of deplorables” is a weird turn of phrase. There are baskets and there are deplorable people, but pairing the two is the oddest of linguistic odd couples.

Hillary Clinton said those three words in the final months of her 2016 presidential campaign, making rhetorical and political history. There were two kinds of Donald Trump supporters, she explained: Voters who feel abandoned and desperate, who she placed in one metaphorical basket, and those she called “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamophobic” — her “basket of deplorables.”

Trump — the same man who announced his candidacy by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” — clutched his proverbial pearls, aghast that his opponent had uttered such a shocking slander. His campaign turned that insult into an asset; supporters wore hats and shirts proudly declaring themselves deplorable. Pundits seized on the phrase, debating who does and doesn’t deserve to be called that. Five years later, many believe “deplorables” — figuratively and literally — are here to stay.

This is not a cautionary tale: Clinton probably didn’t lose the White House because of a figure of speech. But it’s a lesson in how politicians make unforced errors. And, in a nation where half the country thinks the other half is wrong and possibly even deplorable, it’s about how we talk about each other.

romana

(765 posts)
15. Ugh
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

This article... I read it last night over dinner and couldn't help but notice the author spent 90% of the article raking Clinton over the coals for daring to utter the obvious, before finally getting to what the headline suggests, which is that Clinton was right (as far as many of us are concerned).

The woman cannot win. Even when she's right and says it she's wrong. Meanwhile, Trump was allowed to say every ugly thing imaginable and the media made note of it, but normalized it as just Trump being Trump.

SMH

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