8 months in and nothing

[rdking647]

It’s been 8 months since the coup attempt. And not 1 thing has been done to the planners. The gop is still obstructing. People like gaetz and Greene and the ill are threatening with impunity. I’m tired of it. I’ve tried to be patient. There’s a saying justice delayed us justice denied. Why should I bother fighting for the left is all they do is talk. Either start arresting people or get out of the way and let others who are willing to do their jobs take your place .

[SoCalDavidS]

1. No Surprise Here

People on DU get the idea that there is accountability, and that we live in a Democracy.

It's all over now but the shouting.

[Stuart G]

2. ...Time will tell .....Gaetz & Green will get theirs. So will Trump in one way or another..

............Time has a way of taking care of this kind of s**t...Time is the boss
.
.............Give the boss a break............................................
............He/she will take care of the situation...Nixon had to resign..Trump lost..Biden won..& he won today..
............Some will find this hard to believe, but often time is on our side..

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. And yet the war criminal bush Jr is still scott free

no, there is no justice for the rich and powerful. Yes, I know it's hyperbole, but it's how I feel right now.

[Justice matters.]

21. The US Justice is set up this way:

Prosecutors open investigations on appearances of crimes if they think they have, or can find evidence crimes have been committed.

Judges issue search warrants.

Prosecutors assemble a Grand Jury, which can return indictments based on a 50% + 1 decision ("majority rule&quot .

Then the alleged criminal(s) go to trial with their defense teams (lawyers) who plead to a Jury their client(s) is(are) innocent(s).

The prosecutors plead to the same Jury the opposite.

Finally, the Jury, after deliberations, has to come up with a unanimous (100%) guilty verdict, or the indicted(s) is(are) exonerated if no 100% guilty verdict is reached.

The problem here is the 100% or bust: The orange terrorist would play the victim and ask voters to vote for him just to put all the Dems who "witch-hunted" him for so long in jail for life (if not worse: Hanging 'em all?), and we know he would instruct his terrorist sycophants to do it, and they would oblige in his dictatorship...

We don't want to risk that, eh?

100% or bust... no thanks.

Let the select committee finish its important work. Let NY State charge him with tax frauds?

[robbob]

32. The problem with trying to convict tRump of anything to do with Jan. 6th;

He has a long and skilled history of never specifically involving himself with his crimes. He’s more of a “who will remove this pebble from my shoe?” kind of guy. Which is a good thing, in one way; the insurrection never had a chance of succeeding, because there was no grand plan from the top. Just vague insinuations about “stopping the steal” and “fighting for America”. Nothing concrete, and certainly nothing he can be convicted for. He’s a coward, and he kept his hands relatively clean.

[Justice matters.]

43. According to thousands of former prosecutors, he committed Obstruction of Justice 10 times.

But to succeed at getting a unanimous verdict from a criminal-trial Jury would still be difficult if any MAGAt would succeed at infiltrating the Jury.

And I can't imagine how the fascist media outlets would behave all along the trial(s), if any (maybe way later in time).

But NY State will (perhaps) bring up charges on his alleged financial crimes. Get him the Al-Capone way...

Numbers can't be spun.

[Bettie]

31. Will they though?

I mean, they are giving the insurrectionists the ability to go on vacations and ultimately, gentle taps on the wrist for what they did.

Did W pay? Cheney? Nope, not even a little bit. In fact, they prospered and still do.

Remember how hopeful we were multiple times only to find that the people we trusted chose (yes, chose) to find nothing and to let it all go.

I don't have much hope for this time either.

Time doesn't help with anything but some people forgetting that awful things happened, making it easier to sweep under the edge of the carpet.

[lagomorph777]

39. When the people on video assaulting cops and vandalizing the Capitol

get sentenced to Cancun vacations, I can't hold much hope for their far wealthier bosses (Trump et al).

[Bettie]

41. I have the same fear and feeling

call me crazy, but it looks like no one has the will to hold them accountable.

[kentuck]

3. You would think maybe just one?

Rudy, Mo, Jr., or Mr Pillow?

If it was the Republican Party, they would have taken all of them to Court, several times if necessary. It would be the biggest conspiracy of all time. "Yeah, we lie and cheat to get into office, but everybody does it. People understand there is corruption everywhere."

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. Ooh! Whatcha gonna do when they step aside???

[Kid Berwyn]

5. Justice delayed.

Justice denied.

[live love laugh]

6. So you're tired of Democrats because Republicans -- not Democrats -- attacked the gov't.? nt

[Grasswire2]

8. where did the OP say he/she was tired of Democrats?

Didn't happen.

[sheshe2]

11. well...

They did say:

Why should I bother fighting for the left is all they do is talk.

So where are they going to go when they no longer fight for the left.

[Hekate]

16. +1

[live love laugh]

18. Explain: "Why should I bother fighting for the left is all they do is talk."

[ShazzieB]

20. It was quite clearly implied.

[Grasswire2]

7. the strategy of "Look forward, not back" has gotten us here.

And we may never recover from it, and lose the republic.

I have assumed that public demand would eventually force adjudication of the crimes, but time is running (or has run) out.

[ecstatic]

9. I know you'll get slammed but I agree

It's disgusting that nothing is being done to stop the people who planned the terrorist attack/coup. I actually feel it's racist too. Just another reminder of how unfair/unjust our justice system is.

[WarGamer]

10. Planners?

Planners of what?

Have we confirmed that someone coordinated the teams of thugs to overwhelm the Capitol Security and direct them into the building for their felonious activities?

Didn't the FBI just say there was no such coordination?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

[kentuck]

13. Although I am not aware that Chris Wray ever confirmed that?

I could be wrong.

[Hugin]

17. Mark Hosenball only had four unnamed sources cited as current and former law...

enforcement officers in that article. Could be former sheriffs of nottingham or code enforcement, I guess.

So, no... No word from the FBI.

Didn't we learn not to listen to bullshit like this in 2016?

"But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials."

Relevant passage from: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

[lagomorph777]

40. No, Reuters / Tass published some anonymous bullshit "tips" claiming that.

Publicly visible evidence clearly gives the lie to that crap.

Trump installed loyalists in the days leading up to the attack.
His cronies bussed in hundreds of terrorists.
His campaign funded the attack, to the tune of $4.3 million.
He and his cronies stood on a stage and told them to attack.

[betsuni]

14. Classic "Why don't Democrats stop _____ ?": "Why should I bother fighting for the left"

and "get out of the way and let others ... take your place." Assuming bad intentions on the part of Democrats because they don't have superpowers. "I'm tired of it."

[Hekate]

15. Spot on, betsuni

[NurseJackie]

30. You're right... it's a "classic" script. It's tiresome.

[betsuni]

33. I'm very tired of it.

For the last half hour all I seem to see is Democrats-don't-fight-leadership-does-nothing. What the hell. How do they know what everyone's doing? Stupid question. The rule is to assume inaction and bad intentions of Democrats and post on DU about your "concerns."

[NurseJackie]

34. And then... to double-down when challenged on the wisdom of such an approach.

Making enemies of allies is not a prudent course of action. Blaming loyal and hard-working Democrats and Democratic leadership who are ALREADY focused on these issues only creates resentment and distrust. What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how some people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

A good rule of thumb for any progressive or liberal minded individual: ATTACK AND CHALLENGE REPUBLICANS, NOT DEMOCRATS.

[Tomconroy]

19. I think I read that the first trial of the insurrectionists

Is scheduled for October. Nine months is not unusual in court time. I hope people will be a little patient.

[rdking647]

22. a trlal for some of teh low lever coup people is meaningless

we have GOP congressmen openly flouting laws. encouraging violence

and the dems do nothing about it.

the GOP takes away the civil rights of millions of americans
and the dems have done nothing except talk....

[brooklynite]

23. In your career as an armchair prosecutor, how long did it take to deliver an indictment?

Go to trial? Get a conviction?

Too many people seem to get their understanding of criminal justice from TV shows.

[obamanut2012]

24. There are literally several hundred investigations open, including high level ones

Some of these investigations might take a few years. It is ongoing. This is real life, not a Netflix series.

[rdking647]

25. a few years????

justice delayed is justice denied.

8 months is more than enough time....
as they say its time to shit or get off the pot

[CrackityJones75]

27. Why? Because you say so?

You give no reason as to why your timeline is correct.

[slater71]

26. Agree 100%.

They are trying to run out the string until 22 when or if they win that is the end of everything. Gaetz, Gomer, Hawley, and Cruz should have been slapped for their part in the attempt to change the vote for president. but know nothing happened. It used to be that if a congress person did something like this they would not have been reelected. Not anymore. The republicans are going full steam ahead to be a one-party control forever in this country and Trump will be the dictator. It`s very obvious what is happening and no response from our leaders. This soft approach BS must stop or everything will be lost including our freedom.

[uponit7771]

28. K&R, I disagree that NOTHING has been done to the planners. The planners are now threatening telcos

... with disbandment if they give out phone records etc.

At the least the planners and those at the top have been encouraged to act more like assholes

[George II]

42. I'm sure there's a lot more going on in the background than what the DOJ is telling us....

These are intricate cases against the people at the top. It's not just them seen walking through the rotunda with a confederate flag.

If they don't get everything in order for these cases, it will blow away any chance of convictions, and damage the cases of others.

I'm perfectly willing to wait until they have good, solid, prosecutable cases.

[NurseJackie]

29. Oh brother! Stop it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. Gaetz & Empty Greene thinking nothings happening is not reason for you to think the same

They will be surprised.

[George II]

36. Could you do us a favor and give us your link to Department of Justice internal communications....

....so we can all see what little they're doing? Fact is, you don't build a case overnight or even in seven months.

I can just see the hue and cry when the first cases are thrown out because the prosecutors didn't prepare properly.

Also, did you miss this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142794452

US Capitol riot: 50th rioter pleads guilty as DOJ nears 600 arrests

NOTHING you say????

[rdking647]

37. 600 arrests and not one politician who aided them

all they have arrested is a bunch of low level morons.

certain rethugs threaten violence and nothing gets done.
they openly flaunt laws.

i for one and sick and tired of it. im tired of reading the news each day and it gets worse and worse and the GOP advances their agenda.

and other than talk and asking for money the dems arent doing muc of anything

[George II]

38. Once again, unless you have some magical link to DOJ internal communications you have no idea....

....what they're doing.

No doubt a number of those "low level morons" have LOTS of corroborating statement into the activities of the organizers and those in Congress who helped.

Maybe they should put out a daily email blast, or better yet have Jen Psaki do a daily press briefing telling everyone, including the insurrectionists, what they're up to.

Yeah, that'll do it.

[Hortensis]

44. This is a lesson in power. It's real, enormous, and much easier bestowed than taken away.

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Most of the power of the Republican Party and others mostly unknown to us is outside government. Our people in government have enormous power also, but not enough to fire or control them. The electorate is the only institution powerful enough to either kick out the criminals we installed in government or hand them final victory, as we choose.

1/6 is just a recent event in a long, ongoing and growing crime. Only eight months and frustrated? I've been waiting years to know what former FBI Director Comey knows, when did he know it, and who did he "know" it with? Instead, he so far walks free, so far untouched and untouchable, including by the press. Then there's tRump, who in a dreadful display of power actually finished his term. THEN he was removed -- not by congress, not by the judiciary: but by the power of the electorate.

We really should require them to fear us more because what only we can bestow only we can also take away -- though only when it's time. (How many know that, once we elect them, we cannot remove the reps we send to congress before their terms run, no matter what they do? I didn't for years.)

In any case, it's a waste of time to be frustrated. Our next chance to make some big fixes for real comes November AFTER next.