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Neil deGrasse Tyson tweet will make your day (Original Post) SoonerPride Sep 2021 OP
Seeing it every day. There are serious consequences to willful ignorance. hlthe2b Sep 2021 #1
Too late for me, I'm afraid. My compassion for these bastards is calimary Sep 2021 #15
Me too! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2021 #23
Don't sweat it! Moostache Sep 2021 #50
They're contributing to elections and helping with the overpopulation problem. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2021 #54
I was thinking, "Only 5X ?" soldierant Sep 2021 #55
Heh! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2021 #58
Neil deGrasse Tyson loves evidence. I wonder how he can know the political parties of COVID victims. Towlie Sep 2021 #31
He's probably extrapolating from percentage who died unvaccinated, the unvaccinated rates among hlthe2b Sep 2021 #35
Polling gave a percentage of Republican voters who were unvaccinated. summer_in_TX Sep 2021 #62
Maybe he's just making an edjumakated guess. Or, he may... Shoeless Louis Sep 2021 #41
What that is some site kimbutgar Sep 2021 #52
Welcome to DU, Shoeless Louis! calimary Sep 2021 #63
Just took a look. calimary Sep 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #2
Truly Delphinus Sep 2021 #5
Not all states. Maybe Dems pick up a few congressional and state seats or governorship. Auggie Sep 2021 #13
Unfortunately. This is likely accurate. Caliman73 Sep 2021 #45
This seems like a willful act by the republicans...... Lovie777 Sep 2021 #3
As an American, I don't want to think this way bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #4
Hey Neil, not too loud! panader0 Sep 2021 #6
I used to try to reason with them that they were killing their own base but them I saw the upside ratchiweenie Sep 2021 #12
If tRumpheads cound be reasoned with, they wouldn't be tRumpheads..... lastlib Sep 2021 #28
All the more reason they are suppressing the vote SouthernDem4ever Sep 2021 #7
That's why they don't care if they kill off their base. They know they are going to cheat to win. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #9
+1... they can't win unless they cheat... nt mitch96 Sep 2021 #33
The GOP is at war, weaponized healthcare during a pandemic. Deaths are just collateral damage. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #8
Omg! This is awesome! Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #10
Congratulations musclecar6 Sep 2021 #11
Shhhh!! We know. Missn-Hitch Sep 2021 #14
Sorry to hear that many Democrats are dying rurallib Sep 2021 #16
That was my take, too. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #37
Probably younger Democrats. Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #69
No, the death rate for younger people is still massively below the older cohorts. Celerity Sep 2021 #70
I do agree with that Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #71
here is the latest data from here in Sweden, at the bottom you will see an age breakdown Celerity Sep 2021 #72
And there was this in the mornings paper.... flying_wahini Sep 2021 #17
Sounds like GOP people are dying of Covid more than Democrats. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #18
There are still a lot of unvaccinated Democrats Wednesdays Sep 2021 #22
There are unvaccinated Democrats who take precautions ecstatic Sep 2021 #24
Neil Tyson: ''I derived the number from published COVID-19 death rates of unvaccinated people ... Donkees Sep 2021 #25
This is only partly a Dem/GOP issues Random Boomer Sep 2021 #27
Well, I do believe Butterflylady Sep 2021 #19
Holy crap. Is that true?!? ecstatic Sep 2021 #20
Savage IronLionZion Sep 2021 #21
Here is the source SoonerPride Sep 2021 #40
This says lots about their 'leaders'. Jon King Sep 2021 #26
Very sobering information samsingh Sep 2021 #29
why, gasp, what could that possibly mean? NJCher Sep 2021 #48
Any Rage Against The Machine fans here? chwaliszewski Sep 2021 #30
Not that I want people to die... MissMillie Sep 2021 #32
My mother's husband is likely amongst that 8k/week MissB Sep 2021 #34
I am sorry to hear that. SoonerPride Sep 2021 #39
Shhhh... bif Sep 2021 #36
Extracted image. Spread it around. BlueWavePsych Sep 2021 #38
Thanks. I had to go look it up because all I saw was "Link to Tweet." Pinback Sep 2021 #59
The collateral damage of the stupidity war is: SayItLoud Sep 2021 #42
retweeted YoshidaYui Sep 2021 #43
This is probably true, but I'd like to know more about the data source SpankMe Sep 2021 #44
Yeah, My usual altruism kind of took a beating 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #49
Well, that makes me feel a little better. LOL. Vinca Sep 2021 #46
But they are REALLY owning the libs with this! Kablooie Sep 2021 #47
Anti science anti truth Republican Trust_Reality Sep 2021 #51
Works for me....n/t bluecollar2 Sep 2021 #53
Hooray for our side! hay rick Sep 2021 #56
oh no! "this tweet is unavailable" (he took it down?) orleans Sep 2021 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author SoonerPride Sep 2021 #60
This is why a DU post should NEVER just be a link to twitter DBoon Sep 2021 #61
In Case Anyone Is Curious ItsjustMe Sep 2021 #65
"Medieval peasant" oasis Sep 2021 #66
No that does not make my day. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #67
"this tweet is unavailable" garybeck Sep 2021 #68
FYI, Tyson deleted this tweet from his stream rlegro Sep 2021 #73
Yes I know SoonerPride Sep 2021 #74

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
1. Seeing it every day. There are serious consequences to willful ignorance.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:10 AM
Sep 2021

I'm just trying to hold onto my last shreds of compassion. Never has it been more sorely tested.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
50. Don't sweat it!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 04:11 PM
Sep 2021

I actually was doing a mental standing ovation and that turned into mental cartwheels...
You may at least still feel bad, all I feel is joy that they're killing themselves off at such an accelerated rate.

To me, I have become Homer from this long ago clip of "The Simpsons":

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
54. They're contributing to elections and helping with the overpopulation problem.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:36 PM
Sep 2021

That’s how I really feel, when I’m not trying to sanitize myself for public consumption!

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
31. Neil deGrasse Tyson loves evidence. I wonder how he can know the political parties of COVID victims.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:29 AM
Sep 2021

 


Do hospitals or coroners check the political affiliations of COVID patients? Could Tyson really be referring to victims in red states and blue states?

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
35. He's probably extrapolating from percentage who died unvaccinated, the unvaccinated rates among
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:08 AM
Sep 2021

Republicans and the registered number of R's in the various red states. That's probably a fairly accurate estimate.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
62. Polling gave a percentage of Republican voters who were unvaccinated.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:47 AM
Sep 2021

And of Democrats. That allowed him to take the total number of deaths and find the estimated number of deaths for each.


%(x) + %(y) = #deaths

Shoeless Louis

(73 posts)
41. Maybe he's just making an edjumakated guess. Or, he may...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:20 PM
Sep 2021

Or he may have gone out to this website:

sorryantivaxxer.com


calimary

(81,265 posts)
63. Welcome to DU, Shoeless Louis!
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 01:53 AM
Sep 2021

Hey, either way, I VERY MUCH like the way the numbers are trending. Poetic justice, methinks.

calimary

(81,265 posts)
64. Just took a look.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 02:01 AM
Sep 2021

Is it wrong that I'm smiling?

on edit -

DAYUM! Gotta admit, scrolling through it has actually cheered me up a bit. I'd guess those are all voters who WON'T be voting republi-CON in the next election. Sorry it's struck me that way, but it's struck me that way. Even better when it's some hate-radio figure gone bye-bye. Wonder how much poison and how many lies they spread before they kicked? And how many of their listeners were adversely affected?

Response to SoonerPride (Original post)

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
45. Unfortunately. This is likely accurate.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:57 PM
Sep 2021

The Republicans have known, for a long time, that they cannot win based on the popularity of their policies. They have no policies that make the life of the average citizen better.

They have relied on outrage and "culture war" topics to motivate their smaller but easily aroused base. Plus voter suppression tactics. This is why they are so frantically working on those laws by which state legislatures can overturn the results of elections. They cannot corrupt every single voting district so they will win by excluding results they don't like.

Lovie777

(12,262 posts)
3. This seems like a willful act by the republicans......
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:27 AM
Sep 2021

COVID, bounties, voter suppression, gerrymandering, guns, etc.

republicans eyes are on death and destruction.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
4. As an American, I don't want to think this way
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:53 AM
Sep 2021

but must accept the reality that is. It's like a wayward relative with an addiction of any type. You can't stop them, you can't reach them, they will never alter course. So you focus on your own life.

ratchiweenie

(7,754 posts)
12. I used to try to reason with them that they were killing their own base but them I saw the upside
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:05 AM
Sep 2021

and stopped.

lastlib

(23,233 posts)
28. If tRumpheads cound be reasoned with, they wouldn't be tRumpheads.....
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

if they want to kill themselves off, it saves me from doing it......

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
8. The GOP is at war, weaponized healthcare during a pandemic. Deaths are just collateral damage.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:19 AM
Sep 2021

It is just a game to them, a deadly serious game with a goal of absolute power and control.

musclecar6

(1,686 posts)
11. Congratulations
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:59 AM
Sep 2021


To the brainless medieval peasants. They are doing a great job of proving their point, whatever that is. Maybe stupidity in capital letters. Maybe they get off in proving their loyalty to the Orange would be totalitarian tyrant. I’m sure he appreciates that when he’s not laughing at their stupidity.

Elessar Zappa

(13,991 posts)
69. Probably younger Democrats.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:17 AM
Sep 2021

Most young people are liberal but at the same time, many are unvaccinated due to the typical “immortal’ feeling that the youth have.

Elessar Zappa

(13,991 posts)
71. I do agree with that
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:25 AM
Sep 2021

but I’m saying, of the Democrats that die, I would think a lot are young, unvaccinated. Older people are the large majority of deaths but I have a feeling the vast majority are Republicans because almost all older Dems are vaccinated. I have no statistics but that’s my observation.

Celerity

(43,361 posts)
72. here is the latest data from here in Sweden, at the bottom you will see an age breakdown
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

From Folkhälsomyndigheten (our public health service, like the CDC)

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

Deaths per day (Avlidna per dag)







Cases per day (Sjukdomsfall per dag)






Deaths by age group (Avlidna per åldersgrupp) totals from the start of the pandemic





since the beginning of the pandemic:

Ages 0-9 years old death totals: 9 deaths (3 deaths ages 5-9yo, 6 deaths from birth to 4 years old, almost all had massive comorbidities)

Ages 10-19 years old death totals: 5 deaths

(so total school-age (5 years to 19 years of age) children's deaths are 8, despite our schools never really closing, other than the majority of high schools for a period in 2020)

Ages 20-29 years old death totals: 22 deaths

Ages 30-39 years old death totals: 47 deaths

Total deaths for youngest 50% of the Swedish population: 83 (around 2,739 US population adjected equivalent deaths for 166,500,000 people)

99% of deaths here were 50 years and older, 96% of deaths were 60 years old and over, 89% 70 years of age and older

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
17. And there was this in the mornings paper....
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:29 AM
Sep 2021

Amid the delta-fueled coronavirus surge, the American Academy of Pediatrics reported a nearly sevenfold increase in new child covid infections in one month: In the first week of July, there were 12,000 cases nationwide. By the first week of August, the number had grown to 96,000 — representing about 15 percent of all new infections.

Won’t let me link (firewall)
The Washington Post

jaxexpat

(6,828 posts)
18. Sounds like GOP people are dying of Covid more than Democrats.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:34 AM
Sep 2021

That seems right but there's something that doesn't quite add up.

Is Neal saying that 1600 Democrats die every 10 days? If the vaccine is as effective as we think then why are any statistically significant number of Democrats dying of Covid at all? Is the vaccine unavailable to that many people? Are there that many Democrats who refuse vaccination? (if that's the case, we've got some house cleaning to do) Since when does the CDC or any body else keep records of political affiliation along with the COD data?(never)

Either Neil's talking out of turn or getting his verbiage messed up or we're being spoofed here.

I think this is bogus.

Wednesdays

(17,374 posts)
22. There are still a lot of unvaccinated Democrats
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:45 AM
Sep 2021

Not nearly a majority, but still a significant number. For example, a lot of African Americans are vaccine-hesitant because of what happened at Tuskegee, etc. Again, not a majority, but enough to reach that infection number.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
24. There are unvaccinated Democrats who take precautions
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:46 AM
Sep 2021

like masking, social distancing, or isolating. Maybe they're the majority of the Democrats who are dying? Hopefully he'll share his source for that information.

Donkees

(31,406 posts)
25. Neil Tyson: ''I derived the number from published COVID-19 death rates of unvaccinated people ...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:59 AM
Sep 2021
I derived the number from published COVID-19 death rates of unvaccinated people (about 1,000 per day). And from the polls that show 25% of Republican voters are unvaccinated, versus 5% of Democrats.



Random Boomer

(4,168 posts)
27. This is only partly a Dem/GOP issues
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:06 AM
Sep 2021

Yes, there are Democrats who don't get vaccinated, especially on the far left side where anti-vaxxers have been on the rise for years. Many "influencers" in the health movement are spouting anti-vaccine (ALL vaccines) rhetoric.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
20. Holy crap. Is that true?!?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:40 AM
Sep 2021
Maybe that's why TFG tried to mention vaccines at his hate rally the other day. SMH.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
21. Savage
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:40 AM
Sep 2021

but I'd like to see the source for those numbers if it's based on the regional areas where it's happening or if someone is actually collecting party affiliation on these folks.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
26. This says lots about their 'leaders'.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sep 2021

A political calculation ....mention masks or vaccines and have the base turn on them....or hope enough of their base stays alive to vote.

Purely evil people.

MissB

(15,807 posts)
34. My mother's husband is likely amongst that 8k/week
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:42 AM
Sep 2021

He was unvaccinated (so is she). Currently on a ventilator but not much longer.

This week, next.

BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
38. Extracted image. Spread it around.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:03 PM
Sep 2021


In case anyone is curious…

Right now in the USA, every ten days, more than 8,000 (unvaccinated) Republican voters are dying of COVID-19. That’s 5X the rate for Democrats.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
42. The collateral damage of the stupidity war is:
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:24 PM
Sep 2021

The aged, infirm and sadly children.

Sadly the GarbageOP and deniers are OK with this. I'm not but it is what it is.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
44. This is probably true, but I'd like to know more about the data source
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:53 PM
Sep 2021

Also, the death rate isn't sufficient to change the balance of power in the country. Some on our side of the divide were theorizing (if not hoping) that enough un-vaxxed, mostly R deaths would shrink the conservative base enough to enable real democracy to start working again.

It's morally problematic to tolerate or expect death upon a whole class of people so your side will gain a policy edge. But I'm so afraid for America's future, that I'm tacitly on board.

Republicans may now eat my ass. Thanks.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
49. Yeah, My usual altruism kind of took a beating
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 03:30 PM
Sep 2021

when they were OK with people dying for jogging while black, walking to the store to get Skittles and an Iced tea, selling loose cigarettes, not using a turn signal when changing lanes, being in your bed watching TV after work, or passing a suspected $20 counterfeit, which turned out to not be counterfeit, or in my neighborhood, taking your grammie and your kid siblings some Subway after visiting the dentist, he died inside his grammie's doorway............fast forward to January 6 riot where a "true American patriot" was bashing through the doors of the Capitol screaming to hang Mike Pence and kill Nancy Pelosi, and got shot by a man just doing his job. And he sits there and cries because now his life and that of his family is in danger, and the douche that flamed these fires is still not in jail. So yeah, I have been decivilized.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
47. But they are REALLY owning the libs with this!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 03:17 PM
Sep 2021

That's what's important.
Their lives are of small importance compared to the need to own the libs.

It's a Pyrrhic victory but that's fine with them.

hay rick

(7,612 posts)
56. Hooray for our side!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:32 PM
Sep 2021

I remember when I would have thought of them as people and fellow citizens. Truthfully, those days are also dead.

orleans

(34,051 posts)
57. oh no! "this tweet is unavailable" (he took it down?)
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:40 PM
Sep 2021

but not before this:



oh please! yes--how sad when a renown scientist does the math and explains it so even a moron can understand. by thinking he was "better than this" do you mean dumber? would you rather the morons did the math? sad. btw no E in truly
also, "renown" means very well known, famous.

while i couldn't do a screen grab, i did copy his words and the picture he posted:

"In case anyone is curious…
Right now in the USA, every ten days, more than 8,000 (unvaccinated) Republican voters are dying of COVID-19. That’s 5X the rate for Democrats."

Response to orleans (Reply #57)

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
61. This is why a DU post should NEVER just be a link to twitter
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:50 PM
Sep 2021

The original tweet is down. If someone else had not posted a screen shot, nobody would know what this is about.

rlegro

(338 posts)
73. FYI, Tyson deleted this tweet from his stream
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 09:44 AM
Sep 2021

...saying it had generated too many unintended GOP/Democratic fights online.

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