Wingnut threats of violence is uncharted territory

[Cyrano]

Yes, we had a Civil War. But it had geographic boundaries. Now, the crazies are threatening violence, whipped on by those who are using them, and the only boundaries are political.

What do we do? How do we deal with it? Is there a way to avoid this?

No one has the answers to any of those questions. But it seems that unbridled, ongoing violence is moving at us with the speed of a bullet and may well arrive with the 2022 elections.

There is no "both sides are doing it" here. This is being run by right wing politicians, media, foundations, mega donors, and every type of fascist imaginable. And they've got their storm troopers ready to take to the streets. Armed.

If this comes about, what would or could the majority of sane politicians and citizens do?

About all I can think of is the implementation of Martial Law. But where? For how long? How is this situation brought to an end?

Most of us are watching, waiting and hoping none of this comes about. Well, hope isn't a plan.

What do you think? If the gates to the asylum are opened, what should or can be done?

[Cyrano]

2. "Everybody for themselves?" Seems that would make things worse.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. We are reliving the 60s here. Instead of a directed rage at blacks...

going to school or eating at a "white" diner, it is undirected, but aimed at what seems to be the cause of their pain now.

As in the past, islands of decency and common sense should grow to stop this dangerous idiocy.

[vercetti2021]

4. They are fooled by the illusion that they think they own all the guns

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We don't flaunt them in public to make us feel good about our fragile selves. We have them, and we'll fucking use them if we gotta. I own four guns and you better believe I will use them if shit comes to pass.

[WA-03 Democrat]

11. Same here

Bought them all after Trump. Don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

16. Totally Agree

We know who the crazy maggots are at the local level (they have exposed themselves)...they don't know who we are.

[vercetti2021]

17. I'm sure my neighbor knows me lol

Hes a nutter. He has seen me come home with rifle cases after I've been at the range. He'll have to think twice before trying to go Hambo on me

[empedocles]

5. Violent threats to school boards and health clinics by rw individuals, is something

the larger population and police can understand - that they need to confront.

As evidence of 'outside' coordination/finance becomes more public - more so the appropriate resistence, I hope.

[empedocles]

13. Yes. However, the overall trends seem to be going the majority ways.

Non-vax down to new low 42%. As other jurisdictions learn the school board attacks by a few rw nuts, the responses will get better.

So will other violent tactic responses be better planned and adjusted to.

As the wingnuts get further and further crazier or more violent, [partly to get more publicity], support seems to get thinner.

[empedocles]

15. TY

[Irish_Dem]

8. We are in another civil war of sorts. It is time to address it and come up with solutions.

I agree, time to answer your question, how do we deal with our current reality.

We are seeing societal breakdown, the GOP is deliberately fostering this kind of rebellion and acting out for the purpose of political gain.

I think martial law would make the situation worse.

It is going to take a team of skilled political and psychology experts to come up with possible solutions.

I think Biden is getting that kind of advice. He keeps speaking directly to the American people.
Displaying calm strength, superb leadership. Seems totally unafraid of the cheap political shots thrown at him.
Sending direct help to the American people.

But yes, the remaining sane Americans with a moral compass need to figure out what we can do to help this situation we face now.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

9. Biden is Bad A**

1. Biden is the only person that can implement Martial Law and stay in office for years. He will make sure America is stable before leaving office. Also, he can appoint more justices to the Supreme Court and that seems likely after the new Texas abortion law.

2. I do not know one person that does not own at least one gun.

3. If they attack at the local level and take over government buildings, they will imprison themselves in those buildings and go to federal prison, lose their jobs and possibly families.

4. Biden is not "weak" Trump, Biden is Bad A** and will order shoot to kill orders for anyone trying to overthrow the government and harm Americans.

5. The Capital Police, even the Capital Police Trumpers, defended the Capital against the insurrectionists with a few exceptions. I have no doubts that police, armed forces and national guard will defend the US with a few exceptions.

6. A civil war is bad for business, big business knows this so they are stealing elections. Big business was allowed to buy the presidency for years, now they can't and they are going crazy. What did one of the Koch brothers say when President Obama won the election, something to the effect "it is a sad day in America when $600,000,000 can't buy the presidency"


These are my opinions and I can see in my deep red state school board meetings that the worm is turning "against" the crazy Maggots. I know rabid Tea Partier's that are now denying they were part of the Tea Party movement.

[sarisataka]

20. He can do that?

Biden is the only person that can implement Martial Law and stay in office for years. He will make sure America is stable before leaving office. Also, he can appoint more justices to the Supreme Court and that seems likely after the new Texas abortion law.

I thought we were quite adamant last year that Presidents cannot simply declare Martial law and stay in office ruling like a dictator. What has changed? Did an Amendment pass that I didn't hear about?

[Mary in S. Carolina]

22. Didn't Lincoln and Roosevelt

declare Marshall law? I could be wrong.

[sarisataka]

23. Yes and no

Lincoln did declare Martial law based on a Congressional act but SCOTUS ruled it could only apply where local courts could not convene, so essentially Union controlled areas of the Confederacy.

Hawaii was under martial law during WW2 but that was done by the territorial governor, not Roosevelt.

Both Presidents still had to face re-election during wartime even Martial law in effect.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

24. Thank you!!

Actually, that makes me feel better.

[LiberatedUSA]

10. Well one thing we know...

…both Vietnam and Afghanistan has taught us that rifles and IEDs are enough to make a war never ending regardless of military power.

But of course, there is also a mental factor. The Vietnamese and the Taliban have a lot more drive than most of the gun nuts.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

12. Exactly - look at the snowflake insurrectionists

Whining about how "I can't get a vegan meal in prison"...or "I have arthritis in my shoulder so I need a softer bed" .....or "there is no privacy when using the toilet".

If this is the future Republican military, we have nothing to worry about. Besides they are killing themselves off with Covid, notice there is a religious exemption for not taking the vaccine or wearing a mask...bah bye.

[LiberatedUSA]

19. It isn't just that.

It takes real determination and belief to do a suicide bombing. The gun nuts don’t have that kind of drive. However, a world where cheap phone controlled drones can be purchased on Amazon, sorta makes that a relic of the past. The fact that the Taliban (and the like) still do it means they have a level of determination no gun nut will ever achieve.

[MineralMan]

18. While your concerns are valid, your martial law suggestion is

not. What we do is to make sure that the majority grows and prospers.

Individually, we can protect against violence, but only very locally. As a strong majority, however, we would be able to do more to quash emergent violence through better enforcement of existing laws.

The solution is not violence, but political in nature. As individuals, we can help grow a solid majority that will pass laws that help keep the peace.

Martial law, frankly, is an unthinkable solution to this problem. It is not something that can be used proactively to deal with violent speech and diatribes by an unbalanced far right movement.

I think you need to think about this further. As you do, please consider the ineffectiveness of the insurrection on January 6. It accomplished none of its goals. There was no unity of purpose in that mob, nor any effective planning. It failed miserably, as soon as enough enforcement was available.

[sarisataka]

21. Why is there such a fascination with Martial law?

Isn't this Democratic Underground?

[Mary in S. Carolina]

25. Fox News, etc

encouraging more violence and maggots calling to take back what is "theirs", puts some people on the defense. If they attempt another coup, we need to keep all our cards on the table. But, as explained to me above, I don't think Marshall Law is possible, and if it were, I don't think it is the way to go.