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hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:59 AM Sep 2021

All right, Democrats. Are you awake NOW???

Roe v Wade is OVER in Texas. And Texas is the test case. The experiment by the GOP nuts to see how far they can get. And they are getting too far…. Where exactly is next? Because they aren’t going to stop with Texas.

We’ve got to get our shit together before 2022. We’ve got to decide if this democracy lives or dies. It’s that simple.

We’ve got to get past our own petty differences, and confront an enemy that would kill us given the chance - whether via COVID, dangerous pregnancies, school shootings, to name a few.

Can we get our shit together? Or are we fucked? Tell me now, because I’m not fighting MY ass off another term if it’s not going to be worth something. I’m still in disbelief about Al and Hillary. Why do we stand for such ridiculousness??? The GOP is now OPENLY mocking the right to vote.

Regardless of your issue - whether race equality, or gender equality, a woman’s right to choose, voting rights, Medicare for all - whatever - is closest to your heart - I don’t care. All are good issues to be concerned about. But we’ve got to help the whole cause. Vote together!!! Stand TOGETHER. It’s us versus THEM. And it’s not funny any more. It’s deadly serious. They GOP means to do away with us.

Do we fight?

Organize!! Organize!!! Organize!!!

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All right, Democrats. Are you awake NOW??? (Original Post) hamsterjill Sep 2021 OP
Yes it is time to face reality. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #1
Absolutely. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #8
We now know they are ruthless sociopaths who will kill their own base for political gain. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #11
killing their own base seems a bit counterproductive RussBLib Sep 2021 #23
Once they win they don't even need a base to continue minority rule. Check the Pinochet model. ancianita Sep 2021 #37
Exactly! StarryNite Sep 2021 #39
Another "exactly". hamsterjill Sep 2021 #57
We are heading to minority rule. They don't need their base. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #75
The GOP will just cheat to win, they figure they don't need real votes. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #45
People will only wake up when it is too late: first the came...then they came for me. olegramps Sep 2021 #65
Yes we are heading for China, Russia, Taliban, North Korea style of governing. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #77
The GQP also has a plan to ensure they "win" FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #2
Agreed. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #9
I would remove the part in your post attacking Democrats. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #20
What attacks Democrats? FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #22
S1 is not likely to pass. And I know this is likely a veiled attack on Manchin and Sinema. but I Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #34
I see no point in sitting back and allowing FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #36
So you think after taking a big majority on the courts, they need our permission? Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #90
No, that's not the root of the problem at all. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #113
I've heard that argument before as well. sdfernando Sep 2021 #53
Maybe he will and maybe he won't. But he didn't after Trump was elected. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #91
If people stay silent, that won't help us either. calimary Sep 2021 #60
Yeah...true that. But you know people message voted in 10 and we lost the House, next we lost Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #88
Yep. Vote BLUE, No Matter Who. calimary Sep 2021 #134
No, people from other states will not be subject to lawsuits. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2021 #139
Your post was fine. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #58
Yes it does, and that response is certainly predictable. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #110
You've noticed that, as well? hamsterjill Sep 2021 #111
I don't see any attack on Democeats. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #54
Rachel Maddow explained this in the clearest terms last night on her show. Nightmare scenario! FM123 Sep 2021 #3
Fight for everyone!!! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #10
You are so right, this is the time to stand TOGETHER. FM123 Sep 2021 #19
"Vote blue no matter who" gets us only so far. This happened when Democrats have control of the WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #4
Democrats don't have control of Texas FakeNoose Sep 2021 #6
You make my point. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #7
The problem with the courts is because we lost a national election-2016 . Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #16
The problem with SCOTUS is that Dems lost the national election. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #26
We would not have a right wing supreme court had we won in 16...unfortunately, Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #29
Great post!!! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #12
Democrats can't fight this in Texas as they don't have control. Thus some national plan must be Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #18
Democrats have no choice but to fight this in Texas. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #24
And they will lose in Texas...the reason no one runs as the seats are gerrymandered and it is Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #27
Are you snarking at me? hamsterjill Sep 2021 #30
You won't get people to run if they have no chance of winning the election. It is expensive. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #92
We had a good Democrat running in my district the past two elections--and lost both times. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #59
That is my point. We can scream and yell about winning elections. But the system in Texas is Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #93
'Vote blue no matter who' gets us only so far'...well it seems to me Hillary losing the election Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #17
+1 CrispyQ Sep 2021 #41
I'm pretty confident, everyone here turns out to vote Democratic every election cycle... Omnipresent Sep 2021 #5
My personal opinion hamsterjill Sep 2021 #13
What Democratic principles are referring to? Except for the trolls, DU is committed to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #15
Try phone banking. Get in touch with your county's wnylib Sep 2021 #85
And what exactly are we supposed to do? In 2016, we gave away the courts...you think Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #14
Appreciate your answer. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #21
I hope it is not too late. We need someone like Dean at the DNC first of all. We should not treat Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #102
I agree with everything you say...thought I answered this already...ah well may have not hit Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #108
Yes. Protest. Demonstrate. Boycott. Vote. Form an underground. nolabear Sep 2021 #28
+1000 hamsterjill Sep 2021 #64
I appreciate your sentiment. But this is not the 60's. It won't work. I am not saying no action Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #97
+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #98
Thanks... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #107
Sounds as though you're finding it hard to believe in the power of the people. nolabear Sep 2021 #117
its up to the women of texas now.. to withold all sex from men until this is fixed.. samnsara Sep 2021 #25
Well, I'm doing my part!!!! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #31
Do you live in Texas? MineralMan Sep 2021 #95
Yes, I've lived in Texas my whole life. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #109
what kind of outdated thinking is that? Skittles Sep 2021 #132
Why are we living under Minority Rule? WTF? spanone Sep 2021 #32
Such a great question!!!! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #33
Yes, just like 2018 was targeted treestar Sep 2021 #35
Where the hell is Merrick Garland in all of this? infullview Sep 2021 #38
Not only aren't people being held accountable, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #44
GREAT question!!! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #61
It's shocking to me that the backlash is so small. Even the top headline in the NYT is about Politicub Sep 2021 #40
Shocking to me, as well. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #67
+1 berniesandersmittens Sep 2021 #118
The only thing that matters is passing S1. gab13by13 Sep 2021 #42
No shit! FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #48
And let's start with the California RECALL. VOTE NO!!! ... aggiesal Sep 2021 #43
But her emails..... we can do it Sep 2021 #46
Some one should ask two senators about that filibuster now..... turbinetree Sep 2021 #47
I would imagine that bank accounts have been checked, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #50
Agreed ........ turbinetree Sep 2021 #131
Which "sleeping" Democrats are you talking to? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #49
Complacent! Why don't Democrats stop all the bad things! betsuni Sep 2021 #62
You got it. (I didn't think my response was too cryptic to understand.) NurseJackie Sep 2021 #76
From my post in whole, this is what you question? hamsterjill Sep 2021 #73
Yes. Absolutely! That's what I question. It's a flawed premise and it's insulting... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #80
Do you know how many times? hamsterjill Sep 2021 #82
That's a very broad brush you're using to insult people. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #83
No one else here is insulted. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #84
That logic is equally flawed. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #87
I think that's a great deal of over reach. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #101
No, the "over reach" is finding fault with people who aren't at fault. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #103
I am. betsuni Sep 2021 #105
It doesn't offend me! StarryNite Sep 2021 #104
Thanks, Starry! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #106
Encourage them James48 Sep 2021 #51
To be successful we must get the Donor money out of politics. Dustlawyer Sep 2021 #52
The GarbageOP will use this to drive voter turnout in EVERY state. SayItLoud Sep 2021 #55
And oppose all voter-suppression efforts, be those efforts legal or not (especially when not!) DFW Sep 2021 #56
but, but, but everything is just fine... onecaliberal Sep 2021 #63
I know right? hamsterjill Sep 2021 #69
I expected at least a fight. onecaliberal Sep 2021 #70
I expect a lot. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #72
I have dropped family and friends . . and stocked up on ammo AverageOldGuy Sep 2021 #66
I am so sorry. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #71
You will be better off with 2-3 sane and liberal friends. Jon King Sep 2021 #74
I hope all the pure voters have learned their lesson. Texaswitchy Sep 2021 #68
The ones who insist they can't vote unless they're "inspired." betsuni Sep 2021 #79
Yes. Texaswitchy Sep 2021 #89
You don't get to know whether we're fucked. You fight anyway, then find out n/t station agent Sep 2021 #78
Just asking how many are willing to keep fighting. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #81
SB 8-type legislation will be replicated in other red states. dalton99a Sep 2021 #86
And then they come after blue states. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #99
***NO !!! WE'RE NOT !!!**** Only 64% of democrats believe voter suppression is a problem (link) uponit7771 Sep 2021 #94
I am already forming a sternly worded Tweet in my mind Sympthsical Sep 2021 #96
Sarcasm noted. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #100
Blue state needs to pass the same.law regarding assault rifles JCMach1 Sep 2021 #112
I'm old enough to remember the Sherri Chessen (Finkbine) case in Arizona 59 years ago. kskiska Sep 2021 #114
Wow. Quite a story. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #115
It was all over the news - nationally. I was a young teenager at the time. kskiska Sep 2021 #116
Definitely a shame. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #120
Rec +100... n/t bluecollar2 Sep 2021 #119
Do we meet at your place? lame54 Sep 2021 #121
Sure. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #122
Our democracy is crumbling in real time and if we have any power, it needs to be used. Right now. ecstatic Sep 2021 #123
Well said! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #125
Time to pack the courts!!! Add 3 more liberal justices to SCOTUS & set term limits onetexan Sep 2021 #124
I am for whatever works. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #126
he was bold enough to end the Afghan war. onetexan Sep 2021 #127
So is it your thinking that he will try to pack the court? hamsterjill Sep 2021 #128
We need four questionseverything Sep 2021 #133
I've been saying this for many years... dajoki Sep 2021 #129
And I say.. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #130
And the.voting suppression law Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #135
Absolutely!!! hamsterjill Sep 2021 #136
I devoutly hope that you have more luck than I did wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #137
Don't feel dispirted you have actually done something worthwhile unlike the people who eternally SunImp Sep 2021 #138
Is there a reason people turn on Democrats when Rs do bad things? robbedvoter Sep 2021 #140
Yup. "Identity politics" are a distraction from The People's working class revolution. betsuni Sep 2021 #141

Irish_Dem

(46,772 posts)
1. Yes it is time to face reality.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sep 2021

The GOP moral rot is much more widespread and deep than we could ever imagine.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
8. Absolutely.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:25 AM
Sep 2021

We aren’t as evil as they are, so we have conned ourselves in to thinking that, at some point, they’d grow a conscience. When things got THAT bad.

Well, we have arrived at “THAT” bad and the GOP isn’t stopping. We have got to meet them toe to toe. On their crappy level. As much as we despise it, we cannot “go high” and let them keep on winning.

Irish_Dem

(46,772 posts)
11. We now know they are ruthless sociopaths who will kill their own base for political gain.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:29 AM
Sep 2021

Their base will kill themselves and their children fueled by propaganda and racism.
The base is acting out in aggressive and dangerous ways.

I think we have to fight hard, and outsmart them. It is time for a team of political, societal, psychological experts to advise us on how to proceed.

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
23. killing their own base seems a bit counterproductive
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

Last edited Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)

but they do seem to be under some kind of spell, not that I believe in supernatural shit.

Irish_Dem

(46,772 posts)
45. The GOP will just cheat to win, they figure they don't need real votes.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:59 AM
Sep 2021

I agree Magats act like a transfixed cult.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
65. People will only wake up when it is too late: first the came...then they came for me.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:36 PM
Sep 2021

The Republican Party is the official voice of fascism. They have pursued fascist tactics for over forty years to establish an authoritarian presidency. It is the the sole goal of the Federalist Society that has taken over the courts. It is their stated intent, not something imagined by its critics, but based on a ridiculous claim that it is authorized in the Second Article of the Constitution which extends the presidents authority to all department of the federal government. If implemented it would created a presidency like those in China and Russia. It would make the separation of powers that was the key principle upon which our government was formed totally void. This what has already happened in Georgia in which the legislature, in control of the Republicans now has the power to nullify elections if they don't like the result and declare the loser as the winner. Welcome to 1984. This will become the law in every Republican dominated state.

It clock is already striking 11:00. It may indeed already be too late. Good luck folks; I will soon be history and you can wallow in the nightmare of your own creation.

Irish_Dem

(46,772 posts)
77. Yes we are heading for China, Russia, Taliban, North Korea style of governing.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:52 PM
Sep 2021

China has started lightening up on its people and giving them some freedom and a higher standard of living.
The Taliban will probably start doing the same.

While the US is heading for a more ruthless autocratic country with only crumbs to the people.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
2. The GQP also has a plan to ensure they "win"
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

control in every election cycle in the future.

Certain "Democrats" are OK with that also.

Some will say this has nothing to do with the TX abortion law, but they are wrong. They're either ignorant or complicit. This event is just one of many things that should warn us what republicons intend to do.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
9. Agreed.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:27 AM
Sep 2021

This has everything to do with the GOP being emboldened by their wins in Texas and taking that crappy assed strategy to other states!!!

The GOP doesn’t even hide its intentions any more. And yet they get away with it.

Time to fight back. If not now, WHEN???!!!

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
22. What attacks Democrats?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:06 AM
Sep 2021

Are you unaware of the urgency, and what will happen if S1 never passes? Ensuring a republiqon return to control should not ever be anything any democrat ever helps happen. It should be opposed in any way possible by every single liberal, and every single Democrat whether elected or not.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
34. S1 is not likely to pass. And I know this is likely a veiled attack on Manchin and Sinema. but I
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:20 AM
Sep 2021

have heard there are other Democrats who simply don't want to see the filibuster go. It may be because we are a breath away from losing the House and Senate in 2022. There is no point in attacking any Democrat at this point...when we have a 50 50 majority.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
36. I see no point in sitting back and allowing
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:35 AM
Sep 2021

anyone to help end democracy and usher in republiqon rule. There is no excuse, none whatsoever, for not making an exception for voting rights. It's also foolish to think that once republicons take power, and have elections rigged to never again lose power, that they will do anything other than rush to end the filibuster completely.

I don't believe in turning a blind eye to the actions of anyone, just because of party affiliation. Particularly when the future is riding on something that could and should have been taken care of by now.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
90. So you think after taking a big majority on the courts, they need our permission?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:30 PM
Sep 2021

'I don't believe in turning a blind eye'...ah. You know that is the root of our problem and why we can't have nice things like great health care and better Medicare. It is also why our Republic is in danger. How about we vote blue no matter who and stop with the blind eye thing which has cost us everything.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
113. No, that's not the root of the problem at all.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 04:38 PM
Sep 2021

I don't need to be told not to vote for republicons. No matter how it's phrased. We all know to vote blue.

But that phrase is as grating and misleading as "defund the police". It implies that there will be lousy candidates and that we should just look the other way no matter how they might screw up. That attitude and demand creates "why bother" type voter apathy. We might have to put up with a Manchin kind of candidate because of the makeup of a state or district, but we should never settle for that for any other reason. Most places in the country, people who want a conservative candidate won't be voting for the Democrat anyway so we don't need to cater to their whims.

Nor should we ever have to keep silent when we disagree with a politician. Particularly one for whom we are demanded to vote, and did.

And the thing still not being acknowledged is the importance of the For the People Act. Without it, this is all moot as republicons will take control and undo everything we want.

sdfernando

(4,929 posts)
53. I've heard that argument before as well.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

I don't think it holds water because the minute the GOP controls the Senate again the 1st thing turtle man will do is get rid of the filibuster....bank on it 100000000%

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
91. Maybe he will and maybe he won't. But he didn't after Trump was elected.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:35 PM
Sep 2021

I hope the filibuster disappears...maybe it will. If we lose the House and the Senate, we are fucked. I don't know that we will ever have another fair election. and I am sad to say this is of our own making. We hold our people to a higher 'standard' and what is the result? The criticism drives people away from our party and we lose elections which allow the GOP to further erode election fairness. After seeing how some went after Pres. Biden recently, I am not surprised we find ourselves in this situation.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
60. If people stay silent, that won't help us either.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:33 PM
Sep 2021

We HAVE TO elect more Democrats - EVERYWHERE - next year.

And frankly, I’m not optimistic about that, either. I expect a few Democrats might - repeat - MIGHT start waking up after all our rights are GONE and irretrievable. And they’ll say what they always whine: “we didn’t have the votes…” (even when they numerically did).

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
88. Yeah...true that. But you know people message voted in 10 and we lost the House, next we lost
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:27 PM
Sep 2021

Senate with more message voting...Pres. Obama was compared here to a used car salesman...then the big one...the but her message crowd refused to vote for Hillary in 16 ignoring the courts and opining that Trump wasn't that bad...my point is we gave away our power via party disloyalty...and it is easy to say we must vote them out.

But we have a gerrymander in most red states and courts that appear poised to allow multiple attacks on voters... so easier said than done. And what happened most recently here on DU with our own elected and in the media...a week long attack on President Biden...even elected officials got involved in expressing their disapproval on cable news...so I don't see how anything changes until Democrats vote blue no matter who...our Republic won't survive less.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
134. Yep. Vote BLUE, No Matter Who.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:59 PM
Sep 2021

I’m in a deep blue mood today. What an awful day. I guess we women are expected to just shut our mouths and spread our legs.

Good grief I hate this day.

My heart breaks for any victim of rape or incest who gets knocked up because of that. In Texas, she has NO choice. I wonder if some sort of latter-day “underground railroad” is being set up to get around this HORRID new “law.”

And if we in other states contribute to it, are we then subject to lawsuits from anti-choice vigilantes looking for a “free ten grand”?

DemocraticPatriot

(4,336 posts)
139. No, people from other states will not be subject to lawsuits.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 04:48 AM
Sep 2021

We are not under the jurisdiction of Texas law, if not residing within the state. Texas civil law cannot be enforced in any other state.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
110. Yes it does, and that response is certainly predictable.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 04:23 PM
Sep 2021

Stale and predictable. It's as if a certain group is just waiting to post that sort of thing. . . .

FM123

(10,053 posts)
3. Rachel Maddow explained this in the clearest terms last night on her show. Nightmare scenario!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:10 AM
Sep 2021

Fight fight fight.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
10. Fight for everyone!!!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:28 AM
Sep 2021

If it’s a Democratic principle, we fight together for it. No parsing!!! Stand together!!!

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,315 posts)
4. "Vote blue no matter who" gets us only so far. This happened when Democrats have control of the
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:16 AM
Sep 2021

House, Senate and presidency. Undermining radical grassroots organizing has consequences, and right now the Republicans are way better at mabilizing all levels of the ticket. Dems put all their eggs in the presidential basket in 2016 and 2020, and here we are.

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
6. Democrats don't have control of Texas
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:24 AM
Sep 2021

... and that's where this is happening.

We Democrats in the rest of the country need to be concerned, but we must support the Democrats who are in Texas. It's THEIR fight, and we need to make it OUR fight.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,315 posts)
7. You make my point.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:25 AM
Sep 2021

For the party, focusing so hard on regaining the presidency took resources away from downticket races, effectively ceding them to Republicans.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
16. The problem with the courts is because we lost a national election-2016 .
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:54 AM
Sep 2021

And I seriously doubt we could have turned Texas blue either.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,315 posts)
26. The problem with SCOTUS is that Dems lost the national election.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:12 AM
Sep 2021

The problems with the OTHER courts is that the Dems failed to organize effectively downticket, and have been putting all their eggs in one basket.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
29. We would not have a right wing supreme court had we won in 16...unfortunately,
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:16 AM
Sep 2021

we didn't win. The but her email folks made sure of that. And now I don't even know how we fix this. We can send money but a gerrymander is in force...

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
18. Democrats can't fight this in Texas as they don't have control. Thus some national plan must be
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:58 AM
Sep 2021

devised so as to try to stop this. It will spread.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
24. Democrats have no choice but to fight this in Texas.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:09 AM
Sep 2021

Do you know how many times I’ve voted in a local election in Texas when the ONLY choice is a Republican? (And I skip the item then. Never vote for a Republican). There should never be a race where there is not a Democratic candidate. The National part of the party needs to get more involved in local elections. I think you even said this in another part of this thread - so I’m not disagreeing with you. Just illustrating a point.

Democrats must get better at messaging.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
27. And they will lose in Texas...the reason no one runs as the seats are gerrymandered and it is
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:13 AM
Sep 2021

impossible for a Democrat to win...we need to go after them economically at the national level. Pressure companies like GM to leave, things like that. I love how folks think the reason we lose is that there are no Democrats to vote for in elections. Running for office is expensive and difficult. No one is going to run for an unattainable seat.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
30. Are you snarking at me?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:19 AM
Sep 2021

You “love how folks think the reason we lose is because that there are no “Democrats to vote for”???

I wasn’t addressing the whole issue in my three sentence post. Of course we need to do better. But ultimately, I’ve got to have a name to select on a ballot.

Thanks for the exchange. Have a great day!

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
92. You won't get people to run if they have no chance of winning the election. It is expensive.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:37 PM
Sep 2021

That is not snark.

Lonestarblue

(9,959 posts)
59. We had a good Democrat running in my district the past two elections--and lost both times.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:32 PM
Sep 2021

Like many districts in Texas, my district is so gerrymandered that unless many, many Republicans somehow grow a conscience and vote for the Democrat, there is no chance to win. And this is under the gerrymandering from the 2010 census. Once Republicans get through reconfiguring every district so as to ensure even more wins for them, very few Democrats will be able to win a House seat or a seat in the Texas legislature. Population wise, some estimates have Democrats at 51% of eligible voters, but we sure don’t win 51% of the seats. Only part of that is voter turnout. Much of it is gerrymandered districts. Democrats only started winning a few more races in recent years because their districts changed as the suburbs of the big Democratic cities grew. The new gerrymandering will take care of those districts for Republicans.

Given that Republicans control the redistricting process, I don’t know how we overcome the inability to elect Democrats to either Congress or the state house. I still think there is value, though, in having Democratic candidates in most races. It gives younger candidates experience and name recognition, and it forces Republicans to spend money defending a seat, especially in districts that aren’t overwhelmingly red. The people who can make a difference are the Independents, so they are the ones we need to win. The Trump voters are a lost cause in my opinion.

We badly need the Senate to pass the revised John Lewis Act, but it does no good to write or call my Senators. Neither Cruz nor Cornyn are ever going to vote for this bill. And without it, we truly face a Herculean task here in Texas and other states where Republicans can and will suppress the vote.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
93. That is my point. We can scream and yell about winning elections. But the system in Texas is
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:40 PM
Sep 2021

rigged so we need to find other methods to fight this. I do not expect that Texans given the gerrymander situation can vote the GOP asses out. I suggest we try to win statewide races first...put our money there and add boycotts as well.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
17. 'Vote blue no matter who' gets us only so far'...well it seems to me Hillary losing the election
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

is why we're here today. I am all for winning local elections. But you have to do both.

CrispyQ

(36,439 posts)
41. +1
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:52 AM
Sep 2021

Our side has focused on federal elections over state & local for a long time, IMO. There was absolutely no excuse for losing all those state legislator seats & governorships during Obama's term. Is it always going to take a tyrant like Trump to get our side to turn out for the mid-terms like we did in 2018? If so, we're gonna lose our country.

Omnipresent

(5,704 posts)
5. I'm pretty confident, everyone here turns out to vote Democratic every election cycle...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:24 AM
Sep 2021

But how do we get those with short attention spans, to turn out every two years?

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
13. My personal opinion
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

Worth nothing, but mine.

I’m not entirely sure that everyone here always votes for Democratic principles. I would hope that’s true, but I see a lot of bickering over small things. I guess that’s probably to be expected and even encouraged on a like minded message board, but who knows.

As to your question, my personal thought is that we need to get louder and do better messaging. Let’s get the message out that COVID idiots who aren’t vaxxed are threatening the rest of us. Make it abhorrent that someone chooses not to get the vaccines. Ads everywhere!!! On Faux News! Billboards. Callers in to right wing radio stations. We’ve got to all try to be “Pete”… you know how Buttegieg just puts down Faux when he’s on and makes them look like fools? We need MORE of that!!!

Again - only useless opinion.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
15. What Democratic principles are referring to? Except for the trolls, DU is committed to
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:52 AM
Sep 2021

vote for Democratic ideas and what I would think are the principles. Perhaps you could clarify this.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
85. Try phone banking. Get in touch with your county's
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:13 PM
Sep 2021

Democratic party headquarters. Get lists of registered Dem voters to call and remind them of the importance of voting. If there are no local or state races in your area that need vote reminders, contact another state's Dem leadership and ask for lists to do phone calls. Be ready to listen and to discuss issues with them.

ON EDIT: Get some Dem friends to join you in making calls. If not in person, then e-mail lists to them to call.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
14. And what exactly are we supposed to do? In 2016, we gave away the courts...you think
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:51 AM
Sep 2021

protests will work? I don't. I have no idea what we can do. I would also add while I love your post for the energy and the message, of course, there is not one practical suggestion in it. 2016 was always about the courts. Now we have no way to even protect the vote so we can vote out the bad guy's IE Republicans.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
21. Appreciate your answer.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:02 AM
Sep 2021

You are citing reality. What you say is true. Thus the portion of my post about “tell me now”…

Is there anything we can do? Or is it already too late. I don’t know the answer. I’m just not willing to give it away yet though.

We need leadership. And that’s not a slight to Joe or Nancy or Kamala anyone else on the Democratic side. But we need more people like Stacy and Beto who get down in the trenches in my thinking. I’ve lived in Texas my whole life. It’s devastating to see these changes and to lose rights and remedies. I merely want everyone else to take note before it’s too late for all of us. The GOP will not stop at Texas.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
102. I hope it is not too late. We need someone like Dean at the DNC first of all. We should not treat
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:01 PM
Sep 2021

this very important job as a political goodie to be handed out to people we like or what have you...we need experienced operatives. That is my first observation. Secondly, I am hoping this will wake up women everywhere who will come out and vote and we need to organize that. We can win statewide...there is no gerrymander there...it won't be easy but it can be done. There were so many women in 16 who assured me that Roe was in no danger. I expect they will now have a different opinion...at least I hope so. If we overperform with women, we might even win some gerrymandered seats. It is going to be hard to take down the GOP at this point. I am not giving up. But I see no point in yelling or screaming, protesting etc. The battle will be won or lost at the ballot box.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
108. I agree with everything you say...thought I answered this already...ah well may have not hit
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 03:58 PM
Sep 2021

send...so do-over. I agree we need more leadership. But I disagree who...we need a Howard Dean or someone like him who has vast experience with elections. I like Beto and Stacy but neither won their races. We need all hands on deck...we need to target statewide races first particularly governors and US senators. The Roe thing will help...might even help with some red districts...one thing we have going for us is the burbs which are turning blue everywhere...they should be targeted to get the maximum votes for statewide races and districts should be evaluated and targeted. We need people to do mailings about this. We need money we need people to call...lots more I could add...but you get the drift going on MSNBC may or may not help if they present 'both sides. It probably won't. But Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram will help...we need all hands on deck. I don't see protests as being worthwhile and no matter how much we shout the GOP doesn't care. We are beyond that now.

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
28. Yes. Protest. Demonstrate. Boycott. Vote. Form an underground.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:15 AM
Sep 2021

Donate. Harangue the media. Create art. Teach your children about birth control and human rights. Move festivals and events. Tax the churches. FIGHT!

Not taking action is taking action.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
97. I appreciate your sentiment. But this is not the 60's. It won't work. I am not saying no action
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:45 PM
Sep 2021

should be taken. I think we should attempt to win statewide elections and stage boycotts. I don't find protests all that useful personally. I doubt SCOTUS will allow us to tax churches nor will they uphold the right to protest. I don't know what the answer is. We dug ourselves a deep hole. If every Democrat voted in every election, we might have a shot. But having watched the attacks on the President over Afghanistan, it doesn't seem to me many have learned any lessons from 16. I hope I am wrong.

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
117. Sounds as though you're finding it hard to believe in the power of the people.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:11 PM
Sep 2021

That’s fine. And I’m glad you still believe in voting. I hope they never destroy that hope in you. Meanwhile I’ll do what I can and teach others who can do what I can’t, and maybe we’ll do better.

MineralMan

(146,282 posts)
95. Do you live in Texas?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:44 PM
Sep 2021

I live in Minnesota. We voted for the Democrat for President. What happened in Texas?

All elections are local elections, even the Presidential election.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
109. Yes, I've lived in Texas my whole life.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 04:11 PM
Sep 2021

What happened in Texas? You mean, today, or over the last forty years?

In a nutshell, over the last forty years, a bunch of rich jackasses moved here from other parts of the country and turned what was a thriving BLUE Texas into a red hell hole. At first, it was all about rich people not paying taxes. But then, the mega churches took seed and we have probably two generations of crazies now out there "savin' babies" because that's what God told them to do. The rich idiots figured out that they could use the religious crazies by keeping them all riled up and getting them to vote like the rich idiots. So they organized and it all turned into the crazy Republicans who have now gerrymandered the state so that voting doesn't really matter.

Sorry if you were looking for a more formal answer. But that's actually how Texas went from blue to red. Today's "win" for the crazies is putting a feather in their cap and it will embolden them. They won't stop at Texas. They could set their sights on Minnesota next. One never knows.

infullview

(978 posts)
38. Where the hell is Merrick Garland in all of this?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:42 AM
Sep 2021

Texas has just elevated civil law above judicial law. Isn't there some federal rule that can stop them?

gab13by13

(21,283 posts)
44. Not only aren't people being held accountable,
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:58 AM
Sep 2021

the insurrection is growing. I have no idea why our DOJ allowed a bogus Cyber Ninja company go into Arizona and violate federal election laws. DOJ did write a stern letter.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
40. It's shocking to me that the backlash is so small. Even the top headline in the NYT is about
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:48 AM
Sep 2021

how the Taliban is mapping out its government.

Meanwhile, abortion has been made de facto illegal in Texas.

I am guilty of using nothing but rhetoric about it, too. I haven't taken any actions beyond posting and feeling outraged.

I thought that something like what Texas has done would create a mass uprising -- what use is there for having a government if its purpose is to beat women into submission?

Now that I think about it, I suppose that's what Texas has in common with media coverage of the Taliban; it's easier for us to fret over women and girls in a far off place than do anything about American women and families who are about to be brought to financial ruin because they dare to engage in family planning. Anyone involved in providing an abortion or seeking one out is at risk of being sued by any Texan. It doesn't matter if a case has merit or not. It will be expensive to defend, and most people will not have the means.

There will be a barefoot and pregnant class if this isn't stopped, beaten into submission by court fees and people who police women's bodies with a religious zeal.

We cannot depend on the Supreme Court to save us. The fix has been in for months. I don't know what to do to help.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
67. Shocking to me, as well.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:43 PM
Sep 2021

Your post is awesome!!!

In reality, the coverage shows the lack of importance that some place on this subject.

My feeling is that whether or not abortion is “your” issue, this is the beginning of the GOP emboldened on that issue in Texas and coming to do the same thing in other states.

gab13by13

(21,283 posts)
42. The only thing that matters is passing S1.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:54 AM
Sep 2021

All that the GQP has to do is take back the House and that is very possible with their upcoming gerrymandering.

I wish that Speaker Pelosi and Chuck Schumer could trade places for 2 months. So far we have approved 9 federal judges, 24 judges have been nominated by president Biden but they sit and wait, maybe after vacation?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
48. No shit!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:04 PM
Sep 2021

I'm amazed that so many people don't realize that.

If we can't vote for Democrats and have that count, every good thing Biden is doing will be immediately undone by incoming republicons.

FFS, Moscow Mitch brought the Senate back specifically to pack the court with crackpots MF45 was told to appoint. But Schumer takes how many weeks' vacation????

aggiesal

(8,909 posts)
43. And let's start with the California RECALL. VOTE NO!!! ...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:57 AM
Sep 2021

otherwise we'll have a member of the California chapter of the U.S. Taliban sitting in the Governors office.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
50. I would imagine that bank accounts have been checked,
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:05 PM
Sep 2021

or future jobs have been assured, and therefore they still don't care.

betsuni

(25,445 posts)
62. Complacent! Why don't Democrats stop all the bad things!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:34 PM
Sep 2021

They aren't fighting! Fight more or I'm giving up!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
80. Yes. Absolutely! That's what I question. It's a flawed premise and it's insulting...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:02 PM
Sep 2021
From my post in whole, this is what you question?
Yes. Absolutely! That's what I question. It's a flawed premise and it's insulting to insinuate that Democrats are asleep at the wheel. I do not believe it was well-considered and it comes-off as being, well... I think I'll just leave it there for obvious reasons. I'm sure you get what I'm driving at.

In any case, perhaps a better headline would have been: "All right, people. Are you awake NOW???" or "All right, voters. Are you awake NOW???" But even something like that tends to suggest that we Democrats (and Democratic leadership) have just been lazily drifting along wherever the current will take us. Clueless; Unaware; Ignoring dangers, etc.

I think a call-to-action is better than an outright insult. "All right, voters. Let's get to work!" or "All right, voters. Let's re-double our efforts!" --- See what I mean?

Have a great day!!!
Okay, thanks! You too!

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
82. Do you know how many times?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:05 PM
Sep 2021

I’ve been told on DU in my 17 years here that Roe v. Wade would never be overturned? A whole lot of times.

Well today is step one, at least, in that process. So, I stand by my comment that Dems need to wake up. If that offends you or anyone else - sorry.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
83. That's a very broad brush you're using to insult people.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:11 PM
Sep 2021

The great deal of effort being spent in laying blame, and creating distrust and resentment could be better put to use by inspiring unity and strength. That's all I'm saying.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
84. No one else here is insulted.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:13 PM
Sep 2021

I’m sorry that you feel the need to be. Perhaps you should trash the thread?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
87. That logic is equally flawed.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:21 PM
Sep 2021
No one else here is insulted.
That logic is equally flawed. Fact is, you cannot say with any degree of certainty how many people take offense at broad-brushed insults like that. Some may have already "trashed the thread" and you'll never know. How can you be so confident that I haven't already trashed this ridiculous thread?

I’m sorry that you feel the need to be.
Here's what I'm sorry about: I'm sorry that anyone feels the need to insult their allies and create division, resentment and distrust. That's a mistake.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
101. I think that's a great deal of over reach.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:00 PM
Sep 2021

I disagree with you. I’m not insulting anyone here and I’m ending this exchange.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
103. No, the "over reach" is finding fault with people who aren't at fault.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:03 PM
Sep 2021
I think that's a great deal of over reach.
No, the "over reach" is finding fault with people who aren't at fault. It's better to attack your enemies rather than your friends.

I’m not insulting anyone here
That's not true. You're insulting me.

StarryNite

(9,442 posts)
104. It doesn't offend me!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:45 PM
Sep 2021

What offends me is what's happening to our country and our rights. It seems that the tactic the rethugs are using to take control is by doing it state by state. We can't be those frogs in a pot just sitting there while the heat is slowly turned up until we're cooked. I don't know what the answer is but we better figure it out soon.

Great post hamsterjill.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
106. Thanks, Starry!
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 02:57 PM
Sep 2021

You are absolutely right in that we need to get things figured out NOW. It's soon going to be too late.

James48

(4,429 posts)
51. Encourage them
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:10 PM
Sep 2021

To ingest sheep dip, and acknowledge their right to not be vaccinated.

I’m ok with that.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
52. To be successful we must get the Donor money out of politics.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

We must also require truth in news and not allow the media to broadcast known falsehoods. The Donors uses their money to control politicians and they use their advertising money to control the media, which in turn controls many of the voters.

We will not stop them unless we band together to end these two root causes of most of our problems!

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
55. The GarbageOP will use this to drive voter turnout in EVERY state.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:19 PM
Sep 2021

Every evangelical will turn out and vote.

DFW

(54,329 posts)
56. And oppose all voter-suppression efforts, be those efforts legal or not (especially when not!)
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:24 PM
Sep 2021

I only know three currently sitting Senators, but they all feel the same way, and one of them has already introduced a counter-measure to Republican voter-disenfranchisement efforts: https://www.ossoff.senate.gov/press-releases/sen-ossoff-introduces-bill-establishing-first-ever-statutory-federal-right-to-vote/

We could do worse than to write to our Senators (if Democrats are among them) to vigorously support Jon's efforts and his bill.

AverageOldGuy

(1,521 posts)
66. I have dropped family and friends . . and stocked up on ammo
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:38 PM
Sep 2021

My son is a rabid rightwinger -- QAnon, Trump, anti-vax, does not wear a seat belt. His wife is at the end of her rope. The real problem is two boys -- 14 and 11.

Wife and I are now filing suit to order him to have the 14-yr-old vaccinated. We are considering suing for custody and helping daughter-in-law with a divorce.

He is PISSED BEYOND BELIEF. My wife is crushed and crying all day.

Meanwhile, I have tolerated my Republican friends and their comments about masks, vaccines, abortion, "voter fraud," and the rest of their bullshit.

Wife and I decided this morning to cut them off. We have started dropping them on Facebook where we have posted a long explanation that we are not taking this shit any longer.

We told our pastor we will not be back -- we have had it with his comments FROM THE PULPIT.

Finally -- and this is NOT a joke -- I have placed a pistol under the front seat of all three of my vehicles and I have stocked up on ammo for all my guns.

We live in a rural Virginia county surrounded by armed "militia", Republicans, and other assholes.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
74. You will be better off with 2-3 sane and liberal friends.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:48 PM
Sep 2021

It is what it is, a much smaller circle, just consisting of rationale people is the way to go.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
68. I hope all the pure voters have learned their lesson.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 12:44 PM
Sep 2021

The ones that need to be entertained.

Vote D like your life depends on it because it does

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
81. Just asking how many are willing to keep fighting.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:02 PM
Sep 2021

Some here seem to think things are either fine or hopeless because Dems can’t do anything more than they are already doing. I keep getting asked what I want Democrats to do.

I want them to WIN!!!

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
99. And then they come after blue states.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:55 PM
Sep 2021

Remember, even Texas was once blue. It’s sad.

The GOP has an agenda and they are checking off their “to do” list.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
94. ***NO !!! WE'RE NOT !!!**** Only 64% of democrats believe voter suppression is a problem (link)
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:41 PM
Sep 2021
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/06/21/monmouth-poll-americans-back-both-early-voting-voter-id-requirements/7774904002/

At 64%, Democrats were more likely than Republicans, at 43%, or independents, at 42%, to express concern about voter disenfranchisement, reflecting a concern within the party about voter suppression after several cycles.


There is no Roe V. Wade if we allow voter suppression

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
96. I am already forming a sternly worded Tweet in my mind
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 01:45 PM
Sep 2021

I may also rail against an out of work actress at some point. I'm already seven paragraphs into that. Need to edit and tighten a bit.

Not sure, it's early in the day. So much activism to be done.

Let's start with a meme on FB and see where my day of activism takes me.

The net is a large world full of opportunity.

JCMach1

(27,555 posts)
112. Blue state needs to pass the same.law regarding assault rifles
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 04:29 PM
Sep 2021

...

Something is either a Constitutional right, or isnt

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
114. I'm old enough to remember the Sherri Chessen (Finkbine) case in Arizona 59 years ago.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 04:42 PM
Sep 2021

She was pregnant and had taken thalidomide for morning sickness. When the news regarding the drug came out she was examined to determine whether her baby would be deformed. That turned out to be the case. Her doctor scheduled a therapeutic abortion, but backed off when it became publicized and turned into a media circus. She ended up going to Europe for the procedure.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/karinabland/2016/04/15/sherri-chessen-miss-sherri-romper-room-abortion-reproductive-rights-donald-trump/82957074/

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
116. It was all over the news - nationally. I was a young teenager at the time.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:06 PM
Sep 2021

It's a shame we haven't progressed past that.

ecstatic

(32,677 posts)
123. Our democracy is crumbling in real time and if we have any power, it needs to be used. Right now.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:41 PM
Sep 2021

If you look back at pivotal points in our history, those who were on the side of justice, equality, democracy had to take strong steps to ensure the continuation of this country. They didn't cower behind a filibuster or waiting for agreement from traitors.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
126. I am for whatever works.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:48 PM
Sep 2021

But I don’t see Biden doing this. I don’t think he’s bold enough to try it.

And for those who will quickly say “he can’t” because of the House, or the Senate, or whatever other excuse there is - my answer is that there is ALWAYS a way. The administration just has to find it, make it, whatever.

We need extreme measures. Do whatever it takes. NOW.

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
129. I've been saying this for many years...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:06 PM
Sep 2021

we have to fight them on their level, no more being the good guys. If they want to get down in the mud I say we rub their faces in it.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
130. And I say..
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:29 PM
Sep 2021

You’re absolutely right.

We no longer have the luxury of the “holier than thou” attitude that so many Dems cling to. We fight on THEIR level or we get clobbered.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,164 posts)
137. I devoutly hope that you have more luck than I did
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 03:08 AM
Sep 2021

I spent hours compiling and writing a post with information about actions people could take.

https://democraticunderground.com/100215807007

The final action was this:

Finally, and equally important, what did you do today to ensure that the For the People Act passes in the Senate?

As long as states can restrict voting, Republican-controlled states will continue to restrict women's access to safe, legal abortion, too. So what did you do today? Did you call both of your senators? If not, why not?

How about yesterday? How about tomorrow? Have you asked your friends and relatives to call, too?

Both senators need to be called daily until this bloody bill gets passed. Do what you can to ensure that it happens.


I thought that this would be an easy, free, yet very meaningful way for people to take action.

However, in the responses I got a surprising number of people complaining about how angry they were at people who hadn't voted Democratic in 2016, etc. I carefully replied to nearly all of them, asking that they transmute that anger into action. No one responded.

Then, this evening, I created a post asking how many people had contacted their senators today. I got 1 rec (a post showing Tom Hanks's T-shirt got hundreds) and two responses from people who chose to argue with me that apparently calling their senators wasn't worth their time. (I didn't even respond fully to the second person.)

I've never felt so dispirited. I really, really hope that people will listen to you.


SunImp

(2,223 posts)
138. Don't feel dispirted you have actually done something worthwhile unlike the people who eternally
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 03:54 AM
Sep 2021

live in the past.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
140. Is there a reason people turn on Democrats when Rs do bad things?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 05:19 AM
Sep 2021

I am a Democrat. I have been awake for 20 years. Including when Burnie said abortion rights are a distraction and Planned Parenthood was Establishment. You want to organize? I am in. But I am not taking any implication that I was asleep. Hillary warned us. I heard her. So, STFU with the asleep.

betsuni

(25,445 posts)
141. Yup. "Identity politics" are a distraction from The People's working class revolution.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 06:39 AM
Sep 2021

The one that will never come because it's the United States.

There's a belief that Democrats could easily stop all the bad things Republicans do but they don't want to because they're beholden to wealthy donors, corporations, lobbyists, billionaires -- bribed, corrupt, and have the same economic policies as Republicans. They're just trying to fool us with their social policies. For the last forty years they've shifted to the Right and ignored the working/middle class/unions because all they care about is money (status quo means money in politics, the root of all government dysfunction -- ignore Republicans).

The belief that Democrats were shocked by the idea of universal health care, higher minimum wage, combating climate change, taxing the wealthy and corporations, economic equality, affordable education -- classic Democratic polices. They had never heard of these things and thought them impossible and radical! (Bernie has said this many, many times, like during a Rachel Maddow interview 7/10/19: "'Health care as a human right? Oh, Bernie, that's not -- that's un-American. Nobody in America believes that!'" -- a surprise to Democrats who've said for decades that health care is a human right -- Hillary's try in 1993 for universal health care, the Democrats who introduced Medicare for All bills for years, the ACA).

The belief that Democrats are the true roadblock to progress, as Michael Moore said. Always assume bad intentions and inaction when it comes to Democrats. They cannot be progressive without being "pulled" or "pushed" by True Progressives ("progressive" means anti-establishment with the establishment being the Democratic Establishment). This is a rule. Republican are innocents suffering from economic insecurity caused by neoliberal Democratic policies. Trump voters are just waiting for a true progressive utopian savior to vote for because they're secretly democratic socialists who will join the rest of the 99% in solidarity against the 1% in the class revolution. That's the ideology.

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