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Jim G.

(14,811 posts)
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:16 PM Sep 2021

Judge sides with Illinois hospital refusing to treat man with ivermectin

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/570216-judge-sides-with-illinois-hospital-refusing-to-treat-man-with-ivermectin?fbclid=IwAR0pdztHy2iYXFqu86aKY9sJ29Ua72hkQ2j79SWMk1z22vN9Ww1dh6caCOw

A judge has sided with an Illinois hospital that refused to treat a man suffering from the coronavirus with ivermectin, an anti-parasite medication most commonly used in animals.

A Sangamon County judge on Monday ruled against the wife of Randy Clouse, who wanted Memorial Medical Center to give her husband ivermectin to treat the virus, The State-Journal Register reported.

~snip


The lawyers for the Springfield hospital argued against the measure and condemned Alan Bain, the doctor who prescribed the drug for Clouse and testified during the hearing.

“He wants to make Mr. Clouse a guinea pig,” William Davis, the lawyer representing the hospital, said.

~snip


The decision is opposite the one made in Ohio where a judge ordered a hospital to treat a man sick with the coronavirus with ivermectin at the request of the patient’s wife.


~more at link


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Judge sides with Illinois hospital refusing to treat man with ivermectin (Original Post) Jim G. Sep 2021 OP
Common sense prevails! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #1
discharge the patient. there are other places to get treatment nt msongs Sep 2021 #2
Right? Maybe the doctor can treat him at home. gldstwmn Sep 2021 #4
Does he have a vent at home? LisaL Sep 2021 #6
Why would he need one if he has dewormer? intheflow Sep 2021 #20
Dewormer is not going to keep his heart beating. LisaL Sep 2021 #22
Sorry, smiley faux pas. intheflow Sep 2021 #23
Hmm. Patient is on the ventilator. LisaL Sep 2021 #5
he doesnt want the treatment offered. his body his choice nt msongs Sep 2021 #11
Unless he wants an abortion in Texas in which case gldstwmn Sep 2021 #13
Well, he is attached to the vent so we don't know what he wants. LisaL Sep 2021 #14
It's for that republican traitor ailment, fascistitis, so she can intimidate and "own" the staff louslobbs Sep 2021 #21
That's the point. gldstwmn Sep 2021 #12
Someone needs to take a good, long look at doctors gldstwmn Sep 2021 #3
And then revoke their freaking licenses? (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #7
That should be the least of it. gldstwmn Sep 2021 #8
wow...I thought it was the same case... stillcool Sep 2021 #9
It's sad that people are so desperate for their loved ones to live that they would try anything. gldstwmn Sep 2021 #15
The guy in Illinois? LisaL Sep 2021 #16
the attorney for the Mrs. declined stillcool Sep 2021 #17
That's the guy in OH. LisaL Sep 2021 #18
did I respond to the wrong post? stillcool Sep 2021 #19
If they want to prescribe their own course of treatment why go to a hospital at all? gldstwmn Sep 2021 #25
I think it's the right-wing doctors stillcool Sep 2021 #26
And you know that woman's lawyer gldstwmn Sep 2021 #29
Since when do patients get to order their doctors frazzled Sep 2021 #24
I've heard of doctors stillcool Sep 2021 #27
Seems like if they want ivermectin, it should be only ivermectin. Wouldn't that work well brewens Sep 2021 #10
There's money to be made running a quack hospital. Turbineguy Sep 2021 #28
Better yet, it could support Soylent Green production... Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #30
Non-standard care with off-use medications should be a liability issue bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #31
Send him home to take Invermectin and sit in an Orgone box AdamGG Sep 2021 #32
I want some of whatever that judge in Ohio is taking. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #33

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
4. Right? Maybe the doctor can treat him at home.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:20 PM
Sep 2021

People go to a hospital for treatment from experts when they are not able to treat themselves.

intheflow

(28,451 posts)
23. Sorry, smiley faux pas.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:17 PM
Sep 2021

I used to mean crazy, but I should have used to underscore the ridiculousness of my post.



LisaL

(44,972 posts)
14. Well, he is attached to the vent so we don't know what he wants.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:26 PM
Sep 2021

But the hospital said there is absolutely no reason to give him ivermectin.
He doesn't test positive for covid any longer. So WTF is ivermectin even supposed to be treating?

louslobbs

(3,230 posts)
21. It's for that republican traitor ailment, fascistitis, so she can intimidate and "own" the staff
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:09 PM
Sep 2021

Fascistitis: is an inflammation of the traitorous stupidtory gland, found in magats. It causes the patient lose all sense of honesty, decency, and patriotism. It also causes the patient to become threatening, intimidating, and violent. At the onset, the patient becomes irritated and impatient. And though doctors don’t know why, the patient begins to mumble in Russian. As it progresses, the brain swells and the patient runs amuck, threatening everyone around them. The danger sign is when the patient begins foaming from the mouth. It is generally during this stage, that oxygen levels drop precipitously, and intubation becomes necessary to keep the carcass oxygenated. This is generally known as the “bye Felicia” phase of the disease. A mixture of hydroxychloroquine, Clorox and ivermectin, shot up the rectum with a light saber, should only be attempted when all other methods fail.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
3. Someone needs to take a good, long look at doctors
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:18 PM
Sep 2021

that want to treat people with Ivermectin for Covid.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
9. wow...I thought it was the same case...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:22 PM
Sep 2021

that's wild.

A hospital refused to give ivermectin to a covid patient. Then a judge ordered doctors to administer it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/31/ohio-ivermectin-lawsuit-hospital-covid/
An Ohio woman has won a court order for a hospital to treat her husband, who is on a ventilator with covid-19, with the antiparasitic medicine ivermectin. (Luis Robayo/AFP/Getty Images)
By Hannah Knowles and Timothy Bella

When her husband got so sick from the coronavirus that he was forced into a medically induced coma this month, Julie Smith turned to ivermectin — a deworming drug that some people are using to treat or prevent covid-19.

“My husband is on death’s doorstep,” she wrote, according to an affidavit. “He has no other options.”

Yet when Julie Smith got a prescription from an Ohio doctor, a hospital in West Chester Township, Ohio, allegedly refused to administer the drug to Jeffrey Smith while he was seriously ill and on a ventilator, according to a lawsuit she filed on behalf of her husband this month.

Now, the hospital is being forced to administer the unproven treatment to Jeffrey Smith, 51, after a judge ruled in Julie Smith’s favor.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
15. It's sad that people are so desperate for their loved ones to live that they would try anything.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:27 PM
Sep 2021

I wonder if he was vaxxed?

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
17. the attorney for the Mrs. declined
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:48 PM
Sep 2021

to comment if the man had been vaccinated. It's a creepy story, even without the worm references


The Aug. 23 order, which does not explain the judge’s reasoning, says Smith shall be administered 30 milligrams of ivermectin daily for 21 days. Smith’s vaccination status is not mentioned in the lawsuit, and Jonathan Davidson, an attorney for Julie Smith, declined to comment to The Washington Post on whether the Ohio man has been vaccinated.
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After her husband was placed in a medically induced coma on Aug. 20, Julie Smith sought and was given a prescription of the drug by Fred Wagshul, an Ohio doctor who told the Capital Journal that the government’s stance toward ivermectin amounts to “genocide.”
Wagshul backed off the word choice in an interview with The Post but falsely claimed that ivermectin has proved more effective at warding off the coronavirus than the vaccines, although he said he also recommended immunization. In an email later, a spokeswoman for Wagshul’s practice said the doctor also believes that ivermectin is more effective against virus variants than the vaccines, given waning immunity and breakthrough infections.
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Among those who filed the lawsuit was Ralph Lorigo, the Erie County Conservative Party chairman who has sued successfully in Illinois and New York for similar orders to use ivermectin. Davidson said he believes Julie Smith read about Lorigo’s successful court actions, which resulted in her finding a physician in Wagshul who was willing to prescribe the drug. Attempts to reach Lorigo were unsuccessful.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
25. If they want to prescribe their own course of treatment why go to a hospital at all?
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:44 PM
Sep 2021

They can just stay home and call a mobile veterinarian. I'm sure there's some sort of magical thinking that talks them out of being on oxygen and a ventilator as well.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
26. I think it's the right-wing doctors
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:09 PM
Sep 2021

who are pals with 'conservative leaders' that are looking time in the spotlight. It's amazing how they can get these people to do damn near anything but get the frigging vaccine.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
29. And you know that woman's lawyer
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:03 PM
Sep 2021

was the one who told her not to disclose that her husband hadn't been vaccinated to the Washington Post. I'm surprised the insurance companies aren't denying claims.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
24. Since when do patients get to order their doctors
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 06:22 PM
Sep 2021

to prescribe a particular treatment or medication?

I guess the plethora of pharmaceutical advertisements that ask you to “talk to your doctor” about x or y med, with a long list of potential (and often horrific) side effects, has made people think they should tell their doctors what to do, rather than just ask.

I’ve declined a medication once or twice, but never would I walk in and tell my doctor that I wanted a particular med.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
27. I've heard of doctors
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:12 PM
Sep 2021

that prescribed liberally, but not in a hospital setting. She had to sign a release so she couldn't sue the hospital if the horse-shit doesn't work

brewens

(13,557 posts)
10. Seems like if they want ivermectin, it should be only ivermectin. Wouldn't that work well
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 05:22 PM
Sep 2021

to absolve everyone else from liability? Problems with the wormer could be blamed on something else.

Turbineguy

(37,312 posts)
28. There's money to be made running a quack hospital.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:02 PM
Sep 2021

The treatment ends with a nice discount on the funeral.

bucolic_frolic

(43,111 posts)
31. Non-standard care with off-use medications should be a liability issue
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 08:09 PM
Sep 2021

that no doctor would want to touch.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
33. I want some of whatever that judge in Ohio is taking.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:26 PM
Sep 2021

That's probably beside the point in this story, but still...

It seems quite recreational.

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