General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums🧵 The way Texas's anti-choice law actually works in practice is so diabolical and dystopian...
Link to tweet
Unrolled thread here (click link to view excerpts of the law)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1433102356946685953.html
The way Texas's anti-choice law actually works in practice is so diabolical and dystopian that it almost sounds fake. A Rube Goldberg machine of state-sanctioned misogyny. A quick thread on what the Supreme Court allowed to take effect last night: capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/bi
Image
Under SB8, any random person can sue anyone who "aids and abets" abortion. This includes *paying for* abortion, and *using insurance*. So, if you give a friend money, or file an insurance claim, or are an insurance company who pays a claim, you might be a target.
Image
If an anti-choice vigilante wins, they get to collect a statutory $10,000 bounty AND their attorney's fees. If a doctor or clinic or anyone accused of "aiding or abetting" somehow wins, they get...nothing, and DON'T get attorney's fees reimbursed. Their legal costs are their own.
Image
Image
SB8 also allows lawsuits against people who INTEND to perform abortion or "aid or abet" abortion. This is an open invitation to anti-choice activists to file lawsuits against everyone they don't like and try to drown them in frivolous litigation.
Image
The law also applies to *each individual abortion* performed. Doctors and clinics who regularly provide abortion care are now staring down the possibility of paying $10,000 plus costs and fees every time they do their jobs.
Image
This part is insane: People can bring suits up to FOUR YEARS later. And if a court decision briefly protects the right to abortion and then gets overruled, defendants can't rely on that, EVEN IF the decision was good law at the time. Perpetual threat of devastating liability.
Image
Where do these get filed? One option for vigilante claimants is the county where they live, regardless of where the alleged conduct took place. The law PROHIBITS transfers without the consent of all parties. If you live in El Paso and get sued in, like, Galveston, tough shit.
Image
SB8 also casually makes it so that anyone who tries to prevent Texas from enforcing any current or future anti-choice laws is required to pay the other side's attorney's fees if they lose. Again, the goal is to make defending abortion rights prohibitively expensive in perpetuity.
Image
And just to be safe, the law specifies that any court ruling that any part of SB8 is unconstitutional is temporary and can be overruled as soon as a friendlier court comes along. Utterly deranged, but also, what the conservative legal movement has been working for for decades.
Image
Texas Republicans DID carve out an exception: If a would-be claimant is the same person who impregnated a woman via rape or incest, they CAN'T sue to stop the survivor from having an abortion. (They can still bring vigilante suits over other abortions, though, don't worry.)
Image
There are little things, too: Texas already requires women seeking abortion to undergo a sonogram and hear an "explanation" of the sonogram images, with only a few exceptions. SB8 changes references to the "fetus" on the paperwork the patient must sign to "unborn child."
Image
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Make them prove they didn't 'aid and abet' by selling the woman gasoline.
Esp. the big oil companies franchises ... Shell, Conoco, Exxon, Chevron stations.
Demand they provide all the store receipts from the time period to prove they didn't sell gas to the woman, or anyone she may've gotten a ride from.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)I won't, of course.
But MY GOD.
drmeow
(5,017 posts)If lawmakers regulated men's bodies the way they regulate women's bodies, someone would have gone postal LONG before now!
I have no intention of doing anything violent or illegal but I do wish curses and voodoo dolls actually worked I'd focus on some very, very specific body parts!
Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,035 posts)It is so unbelievable I have to make sure I am understanding this correctly.
Nevilledog
(51,094 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,035 posts)10K is paid by the defendant. Even if the plaintiff is a complete stranger and has no damages.
Thanks, I am trying to wrap my head around this.
Nevilledog
(51,094 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,035 posts)They are out the legal fees.
Nevilledog
(51,094 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,035 posts)I couldn't believe what I was reading and thought at first the state was paying the 10K like a bounty.
Nevilledog
(51,094 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,035 posts)paleotn
(17,912 posts)Please, please?!
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)modrepub
(3,495 posts)If this works, why couldn't gun control be designed to work the same way?
hurple
(1,306 posts)Liberals start going to the website where you report possible abortion-prone people and begin filling in the form for, literally, every conservative, rethuglican female in the state, starting with the senior-most female in the legislature and working their way down to the grade-school age kids of their neighborhood rethuglican?
2naSalit
(86,591 posts)Accused of helping. Anyone can be reported.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)It's dystopian and punitive (and really in line with the Taliban. Lets hope they never get together)
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)So if they dont directly go after the woman they believe they are circumventing Roe and getting the same result?
Legal eagles here, besides the direct challenge of this law what other challenges could be made?
1984 is here and now!!
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)DSandra
(999 posts)Republicans are pure evil now do.