Stop comparing the new law in Texas to the work of the Taliban.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

Reproductive control has been the reality for nonwhite women (and during some times, lower/working class white women) in this country for centuries. Pretending this is something "other" or "outside" of the American experience denies the experiences of generations of largely nonwhite women in this country who have faced reproductive violence through forced reproduction, forced sterilization and forced separation from their children.

Just because it's happening to middle-class white women now doesn't mean we have to look abroad to find words to describe it. It's radical evangelical American Christian white supremacy -- and there's a sizable chunk of white women who support it. Name it. It's the legacy of this nation.

[stillcool]

1. I like the American Taliban

it incapsulates all you've said, if you qualify it with "American". The shoe fits.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. The Taliban allows abortion in more cases than Texas SB8 does. It's a shitty comparison, and racist

to boot.

[stillcool]

6. eye of the beholder...I see men

I see men who crave power because they want to wield power. Everything that they surround themselves with are tools to achieve that end. I fail to see where you get 'racism'.

Male Dominance in Public Life
Can we prevent a rollback of women’s rights?
Posted January 22, 2019 |

Both the authoritarian and religious hierarchies have long tried to control women’s power of giving birth. Whether it’s been to encourage more births for military combat, expand a religion, or as a form of birth control (as in China), giving birth is recognized as less a feat than a magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat.

Accepting this hierarchy with its insatiable quest for male power as natural is unworkable, not so much because we’ll all end up killing one another through contaminating the atmosphere, chemical warfare, or cyberwarfare. It’s that the hierarchical paradigm offers no joie de vivre.

The hierarchical structure is based upon the higher-level person telling the next-lower person on the totem what to do. You have to do this, you’ve got to do that, or you must do the other. If you do it right, the credit goes to your boss or his boss. If wrong, you’re to blame for your stupidity or disobeying orders.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/campus-confidential-coping-college/201901/male-dominance-in-public-life

[hlthe2b]

2. As one who lost two great aunts (at least according to family "lore') to backdoor

procedures in the last century, I can assure you the history includes all women.

I don't for one minute discount the horrendous racist attitudes toward women of color and the increased magnitude of impacts in this regard. But it truly has always been an issue for all women--at least all women without extreme privilege. So, we really need to come together on this issue. There is power in numbers.

Nor should it be only an issue for women nor only heterosexual men. This should be a transcendent issue. Either we are all equal under the law and in control of our own bodies and destinies or we are not.

And yes, the attitudes toward women and tactics inherent--including veiling horrendous actions toward women behind the "tenets of religion" are not at all, unlike the Taliban. They are just waiting to build up sufficient acceptability to start imprisoning women they suspect to have had an abortion rather than a miscarriage. That is quite apparent.

[VarryOn]

4. Good word. That said, theTaliban/ISIS/Al Qaeda are on a completely...

different level of evil than Republicans. There's a lot of conflating Republicans with them on here. As bad as Republicans are on the whole, they don't behead, crash planes into buildings, strap on bombs, take 12-year-old sex slaves, burka women, whip adulterers, go full-blown Sharia and so forth.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. Small side point: some abortions are allowed under Sharia, in fact.

[VarryOn]

7. I didn't know that. I'm guessing there are parts...

I should know more about it.

[ancianita]

14. Some? Allowed? Oh, praise the male gods! Perhaps you can cite an imam-approved site that states

that "in fact." I've known Muslism, worked and studied with them and have not come across this, so the citation would help both of us.

[walkingman]

8. Texas is just turning over abortion laws over to private citizens - religious nuts and shitkickers.

[Withywindle]

9. I get that it's punchy to say American Taliban but it obscures the real problem.

We don't have an Islamic fundamentalist problem. We have a Christian fundamentalist problem. No need to invoke terrorists on the other side of the world, we have our homegrown ones right here. We have a racism, misogyny, homophobia, hatred and contempt for the poor problem.

Racism and misogyny are both real, and women of color suffer from both.

[Iggo]

10. Right after I start.

[hlthe2b]

11. This Frank Schaeffer (reformed major evangelical) appearance on Joy Reid is a must for you

Link to tweet

Who is Frank Schaeffer?
Son of Evangelical Royalty Turns His Back, and Tells the Tale
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/us/20beliefs.html

Frank Schaeffer (born August 3, 1952) is an American author, film director, screenwriter, and public speaker. He is the son of the late theologian and author Francis Schaeffer. He became a Hollywood film director and author, writing several internationally acclaimed novels depicting life in a strict evangelical household including Portofino, Zermatt, and Saving Grandma.

While Schaeffer was a conservative, fundamentalist Christian in his youth, he has changed his views, becoming a liberal Democrat and a self-described Christian atheist.[3][4] He lives north of Boston.[4]

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Kick.

[Claire Oh Nette]

13. They are Dominionists.

They want control of the seven pillars of society, including media and education and courts and military and communications and legislation.

Read The Family. Or watch the series. It's no joke.

Fuck Christo fascism.