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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:13 PM Sep 2021

Statement by Hillary Clinton: "Under the cover of darkness, by choosing to do nothing, the SC..."



Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
"Under the cover of darkness, by choosing to do nothing, the Supreme Court allowed an unconstitutional abortion ban in Texas to go into effect last night.
Their decision doesn’t change the fact that reproductive rights are human rights.
We'll fight for them.
"


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@HillaryClinton
Women have been dying from botched abortions by unscrupulous providers for decades. The ban in Texas won’t end abortions — only safe ones.

From 19thNews
https://19thnews.org/2021/08/texas-abortion-six-week-ban-clinics-close-their-doors/amp&__twitter_impression=true

Even if Texas’ six-week abortion ban is overturned, clinics will close
The strictest abortion restriction in the country is set to go into effect Wednesday
. Experts say that even if the law is eventually blocked, the damage will have been done.


Texas has virtually ended abortion access: A ban on the procedure after six weeks of pregnancy took effect at midnight on Wednesday. Though Senate Bill 8 may be blocked or even overturned — it is still being appealed — it will almost certainly be too late for Texas abortion providers, many of which are expected to close their doors in response.

This law will end legal abortion in Texas. Allowing the state to do that and effectively close all abortion clinics — even if the law is ultimately struck down — will give the state what it wants,” said Leah Litman, an assistant professor of law at the University of Michigan and expert in constitutional law. “Just allowing this law to go into effect is ending abortion in Texas.”

SNIP
In 2018, the most recent year for which national data is available, almost two thirds of abortions took place after six weeks.

The law also creates a vigilante system of punishment, empowering private citizens to
sue anyone they believe may have “aided or abetted” someone getting an abortion after six weeks. If a lawsuit is successful, the plaintiff would receive at least $10,000 and have any legal fees reimbursed.

The law is nonspecific about what would constitute “aiding or abetting.” Legal experts say that vagueness could have a chilling effect, discouraging people from, for instance, giving someone money to seek an abortion after six weeks, or helping them drive to an appointment or find lodging.
MORE...

The churches influenced the overturn of Roe vs Wade, maybe it’s time to tax churches.

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Statement by Hillary Clinton: "Under the cover of darkness, by choosing to do nothing, the SC..." (Original Post) Budi Sep 2021 OP
Would being the man involved be considered "aiding and abetting" ?? Srkdqltr Sep 2021 #1
It was left vague intentionally, no doubt. If he's assisting her in the abortion locating process... Budi Sep 2021 #3
This is a terrible take. CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #7
It's just that the woman takes the brunt of this, as usual, and the guy isn't involved? Srkdqltr Sep 2021 #9
I don't know do you have data? CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #13
Every time the guy has unprotected sex, his own protection. Srkdqltr Sep 2021 #17
I am not arguing the shittiness of the law. CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #18
I guess would be yes. Would love to see a court case with this. riversedge Sep 2021 #12
Kick dalton99a Sep 2021 #2
All women between 18 and 50 need to pack up and leave Texas FakeNoose Sep 2021 #4
Says it all. Budi Sep 2021 #5
remember back when , you rape , your a gilding ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #6
I'm hoping that there are enough folks opposed to this evil that they will clog the courts Rabrrrrrr Sep 2021 #8
After listening to Maddow tonight, I am just sad-and angry. riversedge Sep 2021 #10
K&R betsuni Sep 2021 #11
Where is the "townhall" about this real development Nixie Sep 2021 #14
+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #15
...and then they voted. STILL under the cover of darkness, to destroy abortion rights. spanone Sep 2021 #16
American Taliban isn't just a meme anymore. From CNN: Budi Sep 2021 #20
That's some scary shit there. spanone Sep 2021 #21
Kicking for visibility! Niagara Sep 2021 #19

Srkdqltr

(6,227 posts)
1. Would being the man involved be considered "aiding and abetting" ??
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:21 PM
Sep 2021

As there is now DNA he can be found and should be.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. It was left vague intentionally, no doubt. If he's assisting her in the abortion locating process...
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:36 PM
Sep 2021

I'd say yes, to your question. Depends on a court interpretation I think.

Judging by this short video from the DNC, anyway.


 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
7. This is a terrible take.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 10:55 PM
Sep 2021

Your post seems presumptive that the man has done something wrong based on the fact that he is a man. Not the way this should be fought. That would still be infringing on people.

I understand wanting to drum up more support against this stupid bill.

Srkdqltr

(6,227 posts)
9. It's just that the woman takes the brunt of this, as usual, and the guy isn't involved?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:14 AM
Sep 2021

How many times it's the guys idea for the abortion. He takes no responsibility and she is left to cope. It does take 2 to cause the pregnancy. When actually neither of them is really wrong it's the nosey folks who can't get out of others sex life who are wrong.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
13. I don't know do you have data?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 08:07 AM
Sep 2021

How many times is it the guys idea for the abortion? I don’t know, do you have data? Or are you assuming that it is on the high end? How many times does the guy even know? Not that he should be required to know, but here we are focusing on divisiveness rather than the foundation of the law which is where the problem lies.

Srkdqltr

(6,227 posts)
17. Every time the guy has unprotected sex, his own protection.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 08:46 AM
Sep 2021

He runs the risk of unplanned pregnancy and for that he is responsible. If he is having hit and run sex, well he runs that risk along with her. Simple. But when pressed it isn't his problem its hers alone? Now that is divisive. The law stinks on so many levels.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
18. I am not arguing the shittiness of the law.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:14 AM
Sep 2021

You posed the question of how many times is it the man demanding the abortion? Of course it happens. Men aren’t always ready for raising children either. Although in the end not he shouldn’t have a say in what a woman does with her body, he like the woman has the ability to discuss what their ability to raise a child is. Indeed, how many times? Do we know that? We need to stop the blaming and ratchet up the empowerment of women being able to control their bodies. Before and after sex. Stop portraying them as helpless.


I disagree with the Hit and run sex illustration as though women are completely incapable of deciding whether or not to have sex. Women are just as capable (and free to I will add) to enjoy having sex- even just for the pleasure of it as a one nighter or whatever. I am tired if the stigmatism of sex being a dirty act if it is anything outside of a long term committed relationship.

The entire line if thinking seems dripping with the idea that women are incapable of making decisions on their own.

Of course rape is a different matter altogether.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. Says it all.
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 09:50 PM
Sep 2021

Sorry stinking place, but wait there'll be more States run by the same maniacal fools following the trend setting Tx.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,347 posts)
8. I'm hoping that there are enough folks opposed to this evil that they will clog the courts
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 11:38 PM
Sep 2021

with absolutely ludicrous amounts of reports of people helping with abortions. A few thousand dedicated people could absolutely tie up the entire state in shitloads of potential investigations.

And if those people were thinking smartly, they would get all the voting records and find out who are the Republicans, and report every fucking one of them is aiding abortions. Let those Republican assholes sit as accused people for ten years before they can get a trial because of the enormous log of accusations.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
14. Where is the "townhall" about this real development
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 08:38 AM
Sep 2021

that is a direct result of being undermined by brand building…?

spanone

(135,783 posts)
16. ...and then they voted. STILL under the cover of darkness, to destroy abortion rights.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 08:39 AM
Sep 2021

the american taliban is alive and kicking

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