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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo how does this work? Who determines the difference between 5 and 6 weeks?
If youre seeking an abortion do they have monitors standing by to listen for a heartbeat? Do you have to go to a vetted ob/gyn wholl swear how far along you are? (Mine was a month off with my first, unless you believe he really was six weeks late and perfectly healthy) Once that six weeks decision is made is the info sent to every abortion provider in the state so you cant try elsewhere? Can people put tails on you and follow you around to be sure you dont violate their law?
Is there any possible way this isnt some handmaid shit?
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Walleye
(31,008 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)The law only applies to the others
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Six weeks is the earliest that ever happens, which is why people are talking about that number.
Who detects the heart beat?
A person has an abortion.
A person files a report.
Who detected the heart beat?
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)who said they didnt hear a heartbeat at 9 weeks. This law is junk.
3catwoman3
(23,972 posts)
and pads, like you have to for Sudafed, so patterns of use can be monitored. Stray from your usual purchasing pattern and here come the period police.
orleans
(34,049 posts)and, thinking about it--i'm sure mike pence would LOVE to be included on all the period information women can give him--even it it is for the state of texas. you know, it would be a nice reminder of how wonderful his life was when he was dicktating on women's bodies.
"Periods for Pence
The residents of Indiana responded in a campaign that became known as "Periods for Pence".[4] A Facebook page was created anonymously on March 28 urging women from all over the state to send in emails, tweets, and phone calls to the governor's office reporting the progression of their menstrual flow, cramps, birth control, tampon discomfort, bloating, and even menopausal advancements.
The organizer of the Facebook page emphasized a specific aspect of the law, forcing miscarried fetuses and aborted fetuses to be "interred or cremated by a facility having possession of the remains," regardless of the age of the fetus. In response to this, the organizer posted:
Fertilized eggs can be expelled during a woman's period without a woman even knowing that she might have had the potential blastocyst in her. Therefore, any period could potentially be a miscarriage without knowledge. I would certainly hate for any of my fellow Hoosier women to be at risk of penalty if they do not 'properly dispose' of this or report it. Just to cover our bases, perhaps we should make sure to contact Governor Pence's office to report our periods. We wouldn't want him thinking that THOUSANDS OF HOOSIER WOMEN A DAY are trying to hide anything, would we?[5]
Following this first post on Facebook, thousands of women commented about the progression of their menstrual cycles. The page publicly shared the phone number of Governor Pence's office for the usage of any fans of the page. As of November 2016, the page had more than 70,000 likes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periods_for_Politicians
Walleye
(31,008 posts)underpants
(182,769 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,280 posts)They're trying to to turn the whole state into the abortion police. Should be a real clusterfuck that won't work at all.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Around four weeks after actual conception.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Which is why people are using the term '6 weeks' all over the internet.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Usually no later than 2-3 days after the 6 week mark. If it doesn't happen then, then there generally isn't a viable pregnancy.
Of course, with this dating method you can be a few days off on your estimate of when conception occured. It's still the rule of thumb that they use, though.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)If she even remembers.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)If there's a heartbeat, they'll be able to see it.
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1033171800/texas-abortion-ban-supreme-court-
this was helpful..
The law, Senate Bill 8, bans abortion once the rhythmic contracting of fetal cardiac tissue can be detected. That's usually around six weeks, before some women may even know they're pregnant. Most of the abortions performed nationwide are after six weeks of pregnancy.
There is an exception in the Texas law for abortions in cases of medical emergencies. The law does not make exceptions for pregnancies resulting from incest or rape.
A fetal heartbeat is typically first detected five to six weeks after gestation.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/questions-answered-texas-law-banning-abortion-weeks-79767379
nolabear
(41,959 posts)You get the idea. How will real people deal with this?
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)There was a story yesterday where a woman seeking abortion had her first clinic visit and no "heartbeat" was detected. She returned for the procedure the next day, but before the abortion is another required ultrasound. Only a day later a "heartbeat " was detected and the procedure had to be canceled. She left crying, uncertain what she would do next.
sl8
(13,736 posts)Sec. 171.203. DETERMINATION OF PRESENCE OF FETAL HEARTBEAT
REQUIRED; RECORD. (a) For the purposes of determining the
presence of a fetal heartbeat under this section, "standard medical
practice" includes employing the appropriate means of detecting the
heartbeat based on the estimated gestational age of the unborn
child and the condition of the woman and her pregnancy.
(b) Except as provided by Section 171.205, a physician may
not knowingly perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman
unless the physician has determined, in accordance with this
section, whether the woman's unborn child has a detectable fetal
heartbeat.
(c) In making a determination under Subsection (b), the
physician must use a test that is:
(1) consistent with the physician's good faith and
reasonable understanding of standard medical practice; and
(2) appropriate for the estimated gestational age of
the unborn child and the condition of the pregnant woman and her
pregnancy.
(d) A physician making a determination under Subsection (b)
shall record in the pregnant woman's medical record:
(1) the estimated gestational age of the unborn child;
(2) the method used to estimate the gestational age;
and
(3) the test used for detecting a fetal heartbeat,
including the date, time, and results of the test.
Sec. 171.204. PROHIBITED ABORTION OF UNBORN CHILD WITH
DETECTABLE FETAL HEARTBEAT; EFFECT. (a) Except as provided by
Section 171.205, a physician may not knowingly perform or induce an
abortion on a pregnant woman if the physician detected a fetal
heartbeat for the unborn child as required by Section 171.203 or
failed to perform a test to detect a fetal heartbeat.
(b) A physician does not violate this section if the
physician performed a test for a fetal heartbeat as required by
Section 171.203 and did not detect a fetal heartbeat.
(c) This section does not affect:
(1) the provisions of this chapter that restrict or
regulate an abortion by a particular method or during a particular
stage of pregnancy; or
(2) any other provision of state law that regulates or
prohibits abortion.
[...]
nolabear
(41,959 posts)How do the new overlords determine an abortion isnt being performed outside the (insane) window of opportunity? At eight weeks? Are they going to put monitors in every office?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)The idea is to make it so potentially expensive to even think about providing an abortion that no-one will try, until the law is finally struck down. Some rich motherfucker will bankroll the litigation fees for anti-choice charities or individuals who bring any court cases, and may well use cheap, careless lawyers, because the idea is to make the organisations pay any way they can, rather than to win lots of cases.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)I wonder how many women will simply make the decision that they do not want to have children at a much earlier age and opt for a more permanent solution. This of course wouldnt be an option for people that cannot afford it but I do think if I was a woman I might consider it. On top of everything else that is completely fucked up in this country and world and the moral dilemma of bringing a child into this world, why would I risk getting pregnant with a bounty on my head if I werent ready to have a child at that point in time? I might think about just opting out of having children entirely. I know that (for now) there is birth control, but that isnt fool proof by any means and as a woman with a potential bounty on their head I dont know that I would trust it.
Then there is the possibility of IVF pregnancy and Tubal reversal surgery as well should the woman decide they then want to have a child. I didnt even know that tubal reversal surgery was possible. Perhaps that is where resources will go. Still another i sane amount of responsibility put on women, but allowing them to decide when and if they get pregnant. If Roe is dead, I suspect that there will be an entirely new way women fight the subjugation of their gender.
I dont know maybe I am way off base and this is all stupid thinking but I am tired of women having to put up with this bullshit.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)If I was young Id be scouting out every possible way out. If this thing holds, theres going to be an underground like you wouldnt believe, and sadly far more who will just cower and let it happen.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)By the most faithful, of course. Because we wouldn't want a bunch of ignoramuses to make the determination.
It will follow the same course of neighborly spies suspecting a woman is pregnant and then noticing that she's not. Call the Birther Patrol immediately, find out who the woman's doctor and friends are, make them all pay a heavy cost.
Because only the faithful are protecting the babies, the future.
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