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everyonematters

(3,769 posts) Thu Sep 2, 2021, 01:46 AM Sep 2021

This country was not established as a theocracy.

That's the way these states are acting, passing these arcane abortion laws. They are being passed on personal beliefs being put over the benefits of society as a whole.

"Congress shall pass no laws regarding the establishment of religion nor the free practice thereof."

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This country was not established as a theocracy. (Original Post) everyonematters Sep 2021 OP

Note that that says "Congress". States were free to have their own "official" religions, and several PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #1

The problem is that what they personally beleive is not based on rational thought, but what they everyonematters Sep 2021 #2

The Enlightenment (aka Age of Reason) was replaced by Romanticism shortly after 1800 Klaralven Sep 2021 #3

Which is why we can't have a Theocracy... Claire Oh Nette Sep 2021 #4

Theocracy doesn't require agreement. It requires a sufficiently large minority of zealots. Klaralven Sep 2021 #5

Yet their Bible speaks eloquently on the Breath of life... Claire Oh Nette Sep 2021 #6

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

1. Note that that says "Congress". States were free to have their own "official" religions, and several

Reply to everyonematters (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 03:50 AM

Sep 2021

did.

"personal beliefs being put over the benefits of society as a whole." - Do you really think most people advocate for laws for things that they don't "personally believe"?

everyonematters

(3,769 posts)

2. The problem is that what they personally beleive is not based on rational thought, but what they

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 04:38 AM

Sep 2021

choose to believe. If that is the process, it is no different from religion.

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)

3. The Enlightenment (aka Age of Reason) was replaced by Romanticism shortly after 1800

Reply to everyonematters (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:27 AM

Sep 2021

In the US, the 1800s were marked by the Second Great Awakening and Third Great Awakening.

Due to the lack of an established religion a vast number of wacky sects have originated and prospered in the United States.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)

4. Which is why we can't have a Theocracy...

Reply to Klaralven (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:31 PM

Sep 2021

Which sect is the right one?

All these religious beliefs (no, personal beliefs used as a cudgel) need to be scrubbed from the laws, local, state, and federal.

Unscientific, anecdotal, myth based wishful thinking should not guide laws for other people's uterii...

or anything else, for that matter.

White Supremacy paired with ignorance is the other virus we've got no cure for, but we can vaccinate against with education and reading books.

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)

5. Theocracy doesn't require agreement. It requires a sufficiently large minority of zealots.

Reply to Claire Oh Nette (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:49 PM

Sep 2021

Differences among the more zealous sects tend to be on church governance and obscure theological points.

There's wide agreement on:
- life begins at conception and terminating it thereafter is murder, and
- homosexuality is sin.

You can drive a lot of politics with those two concepts.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)

6. Yet their Bible speaks eloquently on the Breath of life...

Reply to Klaralven (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:57 PM

Sep 2021

Still borns happen. Water breaking early happens. Breech births happen.

Yes, zealotry and extremists are indeed the problem.

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