Really they just need to add one seat to the supreme court. Right now.

[ColinC]

Push it forward or kick anybody against it out of the party. If we aren't going to use our majorities, we don't deserve to have them.

[W_HAMILTON]

1. Fuck that.

That stupid assed thinking is what got us in this position to begin with.

If people didn't shit on our nominee in 2016, we wouldn't have to be put through all of this.

And if you kick out people that don't agree with you, you won't have a majority.

[ColinC]

2. Fuck that.

That stupid ass thinking is what got us into this place in the first place. The idea we don't have to use our majorities to keep them, lost us 2010, 2014, 2016 and damn near 2020. If we want to not lose everything we hold dear, we need to act now and stop rolling over for the extremists. Millions of lives are lost because we did otherwise. Millions more likely will be if we refuse to fight back.

[W_HAMILTON]

9. Oh bullshit.

Idiotic Green Party voters and other various idiots that don't know jack shit about how our electoral system works is what got us in this mess and them doling out the same advice that got us into this mess sure as hell ain't gonna get us out.

Fucking vote Republicans out, up and down the ballot. Every time.

[Demsrule86]

13. No. that is bullshit. What lost us 2010, 2014 and 2016 were message voters...pure and simple.

Our side didn't come out and vote in 2010 in order to punish President Obama for not getting a public option or Medicare for all... this allowed a Republican gerrymander the likes of which we have never seen. In 2014 same old message voting. I saw Obama called a used car salesman right here on DU... Democrats didn't show up in the midterm.

President Obama used his majority to get the ACA which was and is a big fucking deal ...but it wasn't enough for some. And the irony here is that had we voted in 10 and in 14 we would have gotten additional legislation and at least one more SCOTUS appointment. It was a 5-4 ruling today. Consider the difference one more justice would have made. In 16, some decided Hillary Clinton-one of the smartest women- of my lifetime wasn't 'pure' enough. The but her email crowd which includes but is not limited to Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, and Brianna Grey...worked against our nominee and helped elect Donald Trump. Trump had three Supreme court picks...one was already assured if Hillary lost with McConnell's obstruction.
However, the 'but her email crowd' didn't care. This didn't have to happen. And our elected can't help us mostly because we have voted for enough of them.

Unless we demonstrate loyalty in every election by voting blue no matter who and stop fucking message voting and sitting out elections because we didn't get something we wanted, we will not win, people will die and our Republic will die. it is that serious.

[Act_of_Reparation]

21. People suck.

It's unfortunate, but it is true. You can't rely on them to do the right thing by virtue of itself; you need to give them concrete, tangible, personal reasons if you want them to follow you. "Vote for us because the Republicans are awful" isn't a winning message, and no amount of berating people is going to change that.

We need to stop crying about our teammates and play the fucking game.

[Demsrule86]

22. They do suck often. However, a party could never craft a message that appeals to all members...so

we have a choice elect a Democrat or elect a Republican and watch our Republic crumble because that is what will happen. We are past issue voting. We vote now for survival. Vote blue as if your life and freedoms depend on it because they do.

I have never been a one-issue voter; I also considered electability always during a primary. Once a primary was over, I voted a straight Democratic ticket as did countless Roosevelt Democrats who came before me, and if more don't begin doing this, our Republican is finished.

[Act_of_Reparation]

25. There's no other way out of this situation.

We can't sit back and wait for people to be the best versions of themselves. We need to craft a message that appeals to a broader range of voters. I don't know what it is, but we need to find it if we want to start actually being a majority party.

[PoliticAverse]

3. "kick anybody against it out of the party" - cause life would be better with Mitch McConnell

in charge of the Senate?

[ColinC]

4. No because nobody in our party would be stupid enough to vote against them if those were the stakes

Manchin and sinema would not be re elected as republicans and would not enjoy being in the minority. Those idiots are playing hairball sabatoging democracy while their caucus is letting them.

[PoliticAverse]

5. What makes you think Sinema is going to run again? And she's literally patted McConnell on the back

Also there are likely more than 2 Democratic senators that would oppose expanding the court.

[ColinC]

7. None of those democrats would oppose if kicked out was a real option

And so far these two are the only ones who have publicly opposed expanding the court. Sinema is a first term democrat and will likely run again. right now, there is no push to save democracy. No through voting rights. Not through expanding the courts. Not through eliminating the fillibuster or creating exceptions. Not through creating a new state, etc. Just one of those things could give a boost to a quickly deteriorating situation. But only two people have been incredibly vocal in assuring none of those two things happen...

[Demsrule86]

14. It is this sort of idea that puts us in the minority and gives the GOP free reign. We have

a 50 50 majority, we can't lose anyone. I am not sure Sinema will even run next time.

[Demsrule86]

19. Those are the stakes...do you not see that?

[Demsrule86]

17. Yes and this a familiar pattern...some don't vote for the Democrat because of one issue or

another, he/she didn't agree with them. So then we lose the majority or have a limited majority which is the case now. They expect our elected that they failed to support previously to somehow save them...and then punish our elected if they fail to do so...even though often it is impossible.

[House of Roberts]

6. One seat? Really?

Explain to me how losing each case 6-4 is so much better than losing 6-3?

[ColinC]

8. Actually in the most extreme cases, it would split it 5-5

Because Roberts is not one of the ultra conservatives on the court and would likely side with liberals in cases like, I don't know, abortion?

[2naSalit]

11. Perhaps that is why...

An odd number is maintained so there isn't a stalemate since the decisions are supposed to be pretty much final.

[Demsrule86]

15. I wouldn't count on that...better to vote for Democrats and not ruin our small majority because

we expect them to jump up and save us like a Messiah or something...save yourself. vote Democratic always.

[Irish_Dem]

10. It is time for the Dems to play hardball or we will lose the war the GOP is waging against us.

So yes, we need to take some bold steps.

[Demsrule86]

16. We need to take bold steps that will enable us to win elections...not what the OP is suggesting.

That will only cause us to lose the Senate and possibly another supreme court pick.

[Irish_Dem]

20. We can no longer come from a place of fear and being intimidated.

At this point, I think all suggestions should be considered.
But undergo adequate vetting.

[Demsrule86]

23. We should be afraid of what will happen if we don't win future elections. We are not in a

position of great power. What we do now will impact our party's survival and more importantly our Republic's survival. What will stop the GOP from overturning an election if they get both houses of Congress? We have to protect our majority and should kick no one out of the Senate. No Democrat but Manchin will ever win West Virginia...we are lucky to have him. Otherwise, McConnell would be in power.

[Demsrule86]

12. Right punish Democrats for not having enough of a majority...and make it worse. That my

friend is how we got here...good old message voting. I suggest a new strategy, vote in every election-including midterms, always vote Democratic...any Republican will always be worse. You may feel Democrats don't deserve their majorities, but I feel that rank and file Democrats do not deserve Republicans. The courts are already 6-3 -largely because of small P and Green defectors in 16 who encouraged others not to vote for Hillary Clinton. But our elected are supposed to be able to save us from ourselves. Save yourself by always voting Democratic. It is the only way.

[pinkstarburst]

18. That's a non-starter

We don't even have the support for it within our own party, and if we do that, repubs will just add 5 more conservative justices the next time they hold the oval office. And "kick anyone out of the party" if they're against it is an equally bad idea. So what, kick Joe Manchin out so that he shrugs and says oh well, I guess I'll just join the republican party since I've been kicked out, giving McConnell control of the senate?

What we need to worry about right now is Breyer's seat. There is NO guarantee we will hold the white house in 2024. It was way too close in 2020. If Breyer doesn't resign during Biden's term, giving him a chance to appoint a young, liberal replacement, then he will be 86-90 during the term of the next president. If you think the conservative hold they have on the SC is bad now, imagine it with one more conservative justice.

[Demsrule86]

24. Breyer should resign immediately. he should not wait any longer...Biden can appoint his

successor now...but who knows what will happen after the midterms.