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Susan Sarandon and her ilk own the draconian Texas Abortion Ban (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2021 OP
Yes. The egos of then took precedent over our women/girls and they all knew it because we all LizBeth Sep 2021 #1
If I recall correctly some earnestly advised us to abandon issues like abortion rights and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #9
Absolutely. Hostile to women and girls why would they care about SC. LizBeth Sep 2021 #13
They don't care at all...women are merely collateral damage as were Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #22
Right. LizBeth Sep 2021 #127
That's easy for wealthy postmenopausal women to encourage, isn't it? nt Ilsa Sep 2021 #19
Indeed it is...I despise them all. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #21
Well, really, I would say the stronger # has been fighting for women/girls seeing how I am LizBeth Sep 2021 #128
That is a good point. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #129
But, but, but . ..... Lovie777 Sep 2021 #2
I know...'but her emails' and she gave speeches...OMG Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #7
But that's a GOOD thing... brooklynite Sep 2021 #3
When I read this and think Sarandan actually said this...I can't/ I just can't...the stupid is Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #6
Yes they do...and I for one am furious that it has come to this. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #4
Yes mcar Sep 2021 #5
I think the fucking Texas Republican legislature and their dirty tricks own that shit. Autumn Sep 2021 #8
Yes LeftInTX Sep 2021 #10
It alway amazes me how people will jump over fire to blame a woman who holds no office for her Autumn Sep 2021 #25
I have no love for Susan Sarandon, but I fail to see how influential she is... LeftInTX Sep 2021 #32
I don't know one single peron who votes for any candidate based on who someone else Autumn Sep 2021 #51
I am glad you find it so humorous as a woman's right to choose dies before your eyes. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #65
Tim Kaine is Pro Life bahrbearian Sep 2021 #121
I doubt we will. nt Autumn Sep 2021 #122
We're not talking about now. In 2015-16 she used her... brush Sep 2021 #91
Not this, "Do you get now?" from you again... LeftInTX Sep 2021 #95
2015-16, not now. brush Sep 2021 #102
I'm quoting you...Quit mansplaining me... LeftInTX Sep 2021 #104
She has three-quarters of a million followers on Twitter. It's been argued here that someone.... George II Sep 2021 #120
Gee, when Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2020m he and his supporters were excited... brooklynite Sep 2021 #41
Yeah that's what endorsements for ones chosen candidites do. Get people excited doesn't always Autumn Sep 2021 #44
It wasn't one vote...it was way more...she encouraged others not to vote for Hillary and support Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #63
More people voted for Stein in the 3 states mcar Sep 2021 #103
Texas Republicans were GIVEN that shit, once Sarandon & Co. helped put trump in power. (nt) Paladin Sep 2021 #12
Texas Republicans were given nothing. Texas would never have voted for Hillary. Autumn Sep 2021 #16
Here, let me assist you with those snotty personal insults: Paladin Sep 2021 #23
Let me assist you with your snotty personal insults. Autumn Sep 2021 #34
Glad I could be of help to a superior being such as yourself. (nt) Paladin Sep 2021 #70
Texas was given it CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #60
You can't argue that Sarandon ever supported or voted for Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #66
No...Susan Sarandon and the merry band of Hillary haters. 'but her emails' own this. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #26
Sure Texas would have gone for Hillary. Autumn Sep 2021 #36
Holy hell. You seriously miss the point. CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #62
Without Kennedy bring bribed into retiring, which should be investigated. RBG, not retiring Autumn Sep 2021 #71
Blaming RBG. Nice. CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #77
It's all about alleged Dems who campaigned against Hillary... brush Sep 2021 #99
Yeah and that's not the first election where more than one Democrat has campaigned for the Autumn Sep 2021 #108
Weren't we talking about the general election, not the primaries? brush Sep 2021 #109
The "alleged Dems" you posted about did this during the general campaign and the 3 idiots were Autumn Sep 2021 #114
Who said anything about time constraints. You're free to post... brush Sep 2021 #117
Probably not but ...had she and her cohorts not actively campaigned against Hillary in key states, Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #68
Agreed... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #125
I mean, 30% of voters didn't even vote Sympthsical Sep 2021 #11
I'm serious as a ventilator. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2021 #15
And your thinking is flawed in many ways Sympthsical Sep 2021 #28
And why were they disaffected? It was because of the relentless campaign against Hillary waged Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #72
Your memory is correct. And who can forget Sarandon opining that Hillary was worse then Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #69
And some of that 30 percent did not vote because bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #20
If I'm making a list of problems with 2016 Sympthsical Sep 2021 #30
Sarandon has been a political activist for decades. betsuni Sep 2021 #42
Yeah she and the Greens helped elect W in 2000...Gore wasn't good enough don't you know... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #74
She was a John Edwards surrogate even though he voted the same way as Hillary and Biden betsuni Sep 2021 #81
I partially agree with you bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #45
Oh, I blame those who didn't vote, those who voted for someone other than Hillary and the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #29
Proportionate attention to these things would be nice Sympthsical Sep 2021 #37
See here is the thing, I don't think the party did anything wrong...and that my friend is why Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #52
Voting is key. Far too many so-called Democrats can't be bothered to vote. This is the result. sop Sep 2021 #35
I see we're moving on to the blame Progressives portion of the program Sympthsical Sep 2021 #39
Hillary lost by a very small percentage...had they come out she would have won. Independents Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #46
What do you want to take seriously? What lessons have you learned? sop Sep 2021 #50
Susan Sarandon is an accelerationist who wants to accelerate the death of the Democratic party. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2021 #54
That is correct and sadly she is not alone. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #56
The Democratic party isn't perfect but it's better than all the other parties in America. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2021 #57
Yes it is...and if we would vote for them and give them the numbers, I believe we could enact Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #78
Right! CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #90
You can't save Susan from her own words. #LeaveSusanAlone!!!!! Budi Sep 2021 #53
If Joe Biden had been nominated in 2016 Tomconroy Sep 2021 #14
Yes he would have. He would have won easily. Autumn Sep 2021 #17
He wouldn't have won the primary but perhaps it would have become a two person primary Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #33
Had Biden run I don't belive Bernie would have. Biden would have won the primary and the Autumn Sep 2021 #38
I think Bernie would have run...he wanted to run in 12 but was persuaded not to. I do think Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #58
Disagree. It's my opinion had Elizabeth Warren or Biden run Bernie would not have run. eom Autumn Sep 2021 #59
Warren would not have run against a Democratic vice-president. I still believe Bernie would Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #79
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #64
He would hhave lost. Big time.With coattails of losses all across the country. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #27
I think Biden would have won myself...but that doesn't mean Hillary should have lost. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #31
Who would have voted for him? Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #47
Had he made it to the general, the same coaltion that supported him this time would have Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #61
Wow. Nice! Tomconroy Sep 2021 #89
He didn't make it to the general, by a significant margin. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #111
Decades of political activism helping Republicans! Way to go! betsuni Sep 2021 #18
That is how I see it. It was shocking to see the attacks on Warren in 2020...very reminiscent of the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #43
Same people who swore up and down they totally would've voted for Warren in 2016 betsuni Sep 2021 #49
How many times did we see the sneering reference to "vagina voters" mcar Sep 2021 #105
"It is not good enough for someone to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me.' ... It's not good enough for betsuni Sep 2021 #106
Yep mcar Sep 2021 #107
I would add all other "geniuses" who voted for Trump to spite Hillary to your list. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #24
What fucking change has has happened? We have a 6-3 court and a woman's right to choose Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #40
What do you call a 6-3 SCOTUS if not fucking change? Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #48
Yeah, bad change so I guess what you are saying is that Sarandon was right about change but not Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #82
Exactly. And the consequences were crystal clear in 2016 Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #113
Oh Good God Forget About That Me. Sep 2021 #55
YEAH, because a woman must always take the blame for her husband and all... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #83
Anyone that doesn't think Susan has some blame CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #67
Trolls belittle her as "just an actress." She's been a famous political activist for decades. betsuni Sep 2021 #73
I am having a real hard time not getting alerted on CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #80
Please be careful. betsuni Sep 2021 #84
Yes be careful... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #85
Like say, Steve Bannon? NNadir Sep 2021 #87
No one said or thinks all political activists are "laudable." Point is she's not "just an actress." betsuni Sep 2021 #92
She would have been less noxious had she been "just an actress." I have no idea why celebrity... NNadir Sep 2021 #98
It's beyond silly to argue that Sarandon has control over millions of conservative white women Kaleva Sep 2021 #93
No one said she did. She's a "progressive" political activist and Bernie Sanders surrogate. betsuni Sep 2021 #96
So you agree that she has no influence on millions of conservative, Trump voting white women? Kaleva Sep 2021 #97
She said Hillary was more dangerous than Trump. betsuni Sep 2021 #101
I haven't seen any empirical evidence that shows Sarandon's comment made a difference Kaleva Sep 2021 #119
They referred to Planned Parenthood as 'The Establisment' Budi Sep 2021 #75
They don't care...they wanted what they wanted and they leashed hell on our nominee. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #88
Yup. It was Stein who gave the electorate in 3 key States to Trump Budi Sep 2021 #94
They own a hell of a lot more than that N/T maxrandb Sep 2021 #76
Wrong .... the voters do..... nt Fullduplexxx Sep 2021 #86
Please🙄 She spent the entire Primary to Election grinding HRC's name into the dirt. Budi Sep 2021 #100
Misdirected anger and blame are not going to help change it Fullduplexxx Sep 2021 #110
Ya. Thats naieve. Voters voted because of the words Susan said for 2 fking yrs. ALSO.. Budi Sep 2021 #112
You campaign to get your message out to people who aren't around to hear you Fullduplexxx Sep 2021 #115
Thanks for making my point. Budi Sep 2021 #116
Blame Susan Sarandon when your reproductive rights get taken away LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #118
OMG. This is so tiresome. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Sep 2021 #124
She fully deserves scorn from Democrats. (nt) Paladin Sep 2021 #126
Sarandon was trending on twitter tonight LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #130

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
1. Yes. The egos of then took precedent over our women/girls and they all knew it because we all
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:41 AM
Sep 2021

repeatedly educated them and not a care in the world on their part.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
9. If I recall correctly some earnestly advised us to abandon issues like abortion rights and
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:46 AM
Sep 2021

concentrate on economics.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
22. They don't care at all...women are merely collateral damage as were
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sep 2021

those who died of Covid under Trump's watch.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
128. Well, really, I would say the stronger # has been fighting for women/girls seeing how I am
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 08:31 PM
Sep 2021

one of those so I am not going after all of them. It was more the younger ones that allowed little p to dictate to them.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
3. But that's a GOOD thing...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:41 AM
Sep 2021

You see, when Trump and Republican fundamentalists get elected, they’ll overplay their hand and cause a reaction leading to the glorious People’s Revolution (™).

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
6. When I read this and think Sarandan actually said this...I can't/ I just can't...the stupid is
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:43 AM
Sep 2021

just so strong in her and others like her.

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
25. It alway amazes me how people will jump over fire to blame a woman who holds no office for her
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:05 AM
Sep 2021

views and her one vote and give elected Republicans a pass for every nasty piece of legislation they pass.

LeftInTX

(25,037 posts)
32. I have no love for Susan Sarandon, but I fail to see how influential she is...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:09 AM
Sep 2021

I just don't think there are that many people who hang on to her every word...

DU really amplifies her and are a bit fixed on her. However, in my other Democratic circles, she just isn't mentioned..

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
51. I don't know one single peron who votes for any candidate based on who someone else
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:26 AM
Sep 2021

likes. They are fixated on her and Jill Stein. You would think that there has never been a Democrat who doesn't adore every Democrat running for office and there has never been a third party peron on the ballot for president. There were 21 choices for President in my state in the last election. Biden skated to victory

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
65. I am glad you find it so humorous as a woman's right to choose dies before your eyes.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:52 AM
Sep 2021

Yeah, I remember another one who didn't support Gore and gave us Bush and two endless wars...oh wait that Susan Sarandon and the Greens too.

brush

(53,721 posts)
91. We're not talking about now. In 2015-16 she used her...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:20 AM
Sep 2021

celebrity megaphone/platform massively against Hillary and influenced many to not vote for her, which help trump win, which led to McTurtle stealing SCOTUS seats, which lead to 3 trump-appointed, anti-abortion justices on the Supreme Court who then sat on their hands Tuesday night and let the horrendous Texas abortion bill pass into law.

Do you get it now?

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. She has three-quarters of a million followers on Twitter. It's been argued here that someone....
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 01:51 PM
Sep 2021

....with that big of a following is highly influential.

She certainly was influential when she claimed that voting for trump would "bring the revolution quicker than Clinton". I wonder how many of those 750k followers listened to her and voted for trump? Remember, Clinton lost by a mere 77,000 votes - about one-tenth of her following.

brooklynite

(94,256 posts)
41. Gee, when Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2020m he and his supporters were excited...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:15 AM
Sep 2021

…even though he only had one vote. Almost as if they thought his opinions could sway the votes of others.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287443505

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
44. Yeah that's what endorsements for ones chosen candidites do. Get people excited doesn't always
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:17 AM
Sep 2021

translate to votes though.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
63. It wasn't one vote...it was way more...she encouraged others not to vote for Hillary and support
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:49 AM
Sep 2021

Jill Stein.

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
16. Texas Republicans were given nothing. Texas would never have voted for Hillary.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:55 AM
Sep 2021

Not in a hundred years. If you think different I have a nice bridge for you. Five bucks and it's yours.

You sure give that out of work grade B actress a lot of power. I'm suprised she's not Queen of the world by now.

Paladin

(28,239 posts)
23. Here, let me assist you with those snotty personal insults:
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sep 2021

I'm a 4th generation, life-long Texan. And I'm too old to relocate.

Go ahead, have at it. The vast majority of Texans like to help people out, that way...

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
34. Let me assist you with your snotty personal insults.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
Sep 2021

I lived in Texas, was smart enough to get out when I was young in 76. My family lives in Texas, I fucking know Texas. And I know Texans and their legislature. Yeah, real helpful.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
60. Texas was given it
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:46 AM
Sep 2021

Texas was given it because there is a USSC that will not stand in their way. Trump appointed 3 judges to the USSC!

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
66. You can't argue that Sarandon ever supported or voted for
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

Hillary...Sarandon actively campaigned against Hillary with the Russian princess Jill Stein in key battleground states and helped elect Trump who gave Texas three SCOTUS appointees...and paved the way for this ruling. It was a sure thing that Trump would get one appointee before the election...but these...(no words bad enough) folks didn't care and now women will die. I say fuck Sarandon and Stein-traitors to humanity...particularly women.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
26. No...Susan Sarandon and the merry band of Hillary haters. 'but her emails' own this.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:06 AM
Sep 2021

They helped Trump win even though there was one certain SCOTUS waiting in the wings...and Trump had three SCOTUS appointments. This actually has roots in 2010 when 'message voters' who had a big sad because they didn't get a public option refused to support President Obama and we got nothing for eight long years.

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
71. Without Kennedy bring bribed into retiring, which should be investigated. RBG, not retiring
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:00 AM
Sep 2021

when her health issues began Mitch and Lindsey not allowing Obama to appoint his choice for the SC when Scalia died, Dems not fighting like hell for him to do so Trump would not have appointed three of them.

Holy hell. You seriously miss a lot of points.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
77. Blaming RBG. Nice.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

It is precisely because we KNEW that McConnell was holding the seat open that Susan Needed to shut her fucking mouth with her bullshit. We KNEW that EVERYTHING was on the line and still people like Sarandon in their ivory towers went on news shows to denounce Hillary and promote third party candidates.

You will never get it because you do not want to admit that she helped to put us EXACTLY where we are. Is she the ONLY reason? Absolutely not. But she has a LOT of blame. Just as much blame as the people that voted for Trump.

Knock yourself out defending someone who actively participated in a campaign against the Democratic nominee. Here. On the site called DemocraticUnderground.com just don’t expect your opinion to be well received. And that is about as nicely as I could possibly state it.

brush

(53,721 posts)
99. It's all about alleged Dems who campaigned against Hillary...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:35 AM
Sep 2021

encouraged voting for Russian favorite Jill Stein which helped trump win, who then got to appoint three, anti-abortion justices to SCOTUS who sat on their hands Tuesday night and let the abominable Texas abortion bill pass into law.

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
108. Yeah and that's not the first election where more than one Democrat has campaigned for the
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:01 PM
Sep 2021

nomination to become president." Alleged" or otherwise. And it's not the first election that Jill Stein or any other 3rd party candidate has run for president either.

Amazing how Biden won when there were 22 other parties on my ballot in the GE and in the primary there were like 26 other Dems running against him ( if memory serves) . I count Bloomberg even though I consider him the "alleged Dem".

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
114. The "alleged Dems" you posted about did this during the general campaign and the 3 idiots were
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:47 PM
Sep 2021

appointed to the SC after Trump was elected.

Star Member brush (37,219 posts)

99. It's all about alleged Dems who campaigned against Hillary...

encouraged voting for Russian favorite Jill Stein which helped trump win, who then got to appoint three, anti-abortion justices to SCOTUS who sat on their hands Tuesday night and let the abominable Texas abortion bill pass into law.


I was referencing the times, such as 2020 for one, when other 3rd parties have run for president and "alleged Dems" who have run against other Dems. If you have time event constraints when your posts are replied to please stipulate those constraints first.

brush

(53,721 posts)
117. Who said anything about time constraints. You're free to post...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 01:06 PM
Sep 2021

whenever. Just wanted to clarify we're talking about the general election in 2016.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
68. Probably not but ...had she and her cohorts not actively campaigned against Hillary in key states,
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:58 AM
Sep 2021

she may have won and we would have a 6-3 Supreme Court today which allowed Texas to overturn RoeV Wade. It was on the ballot in 16 but Sarandon, Stein, and others didn't give a damn.

Sympthsical

(9,020 posts)
11. I mean, 30% of voters didn't even vote
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:48 AM
Sep 2021

But sure, let's blame the actress.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/09/new-data-makes-it-clear-nonvoters-handed-trump-the-presidency/

"As we noted shortly after the election, about 30 percent of Americans were eligible to vote but decided not to, a higher percentage than the portion of the country who voted for either Trump or his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Pew’s data shows that almost half of the nonvoters were nonwhite and two-thirds were under age 50. More than half of those who didn’t vote earned less than $30,000 a year; more than half of those who did vote were over age 50."


Every time I see Sarandon's name mentioned, I immediately know someone's trying to redirect blame away from some massive failing.

Blaming a tiny percentage of people for the failing of a massive percentage of people is a mark of unseriousness.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
15. I'm serious as a ventilator.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:55 AM
Sep 2021

If my memory is correct Jill Stein received more votes than TFG's margin of victory in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

Sympthsical

(9,020 posts)
28. And your thinking is flawed in many ways
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:07 AM
Sep 2021

Mathematically and politically.

Your assumption is that those Stein votes would've automatically gone to Clinton. I'm not sure why anyone thinks this. It's a bit of illogic that always creeps up in these discussions. No candidate is owed votes. No candidate is entitled to them. It's not as if Clinton started with say, 20 votes. And Stein took away 1 of those votes. So Clinton only got 19. No Stein, then Clinton gets all 20 votes.

That's not how that works. That's not how any of this works.

Clearly people voting for Stein were disaffected. No Stein? Ok, leave it blank. Or write in. Or vote for Johnson. Hell, maybe even Trump.

And again, you just leap right over that 30% non-vote to haggle over a vanishingly small percentage.

Very much proving my point.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
72. And why were they disaffected? It was because of the relentless campaign against Hillary waged
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:01 AM
Sep 2021

by Sarandon and Stein. Also, the Democratic Party was attacked relentlessly...so I think your reasoning is flawed.

bottomofthehill

(8,315 posts)
20. And some of that 30 percent did not vote because
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:00 AM
Sep 2021

They stupidly listened to morons like Susan Sarandon and the both sides are evil argument.

She may not be the cause, but she was clearly a part of the problem. Angry people are looking for a place to direct their anger. She may be a 3 cushion safety, but she still deserves part of the blame.

Sympthsical

(9,020 posts)
30. If I'm making a list of problems with 2016
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:09 AM
Sep 2021

Sarandon might rank maybe 1000th on there.

It's just internet silliness. And I think it's brought up as a deflection. Easier to go after her than to seriously self-examine why the party failed in 2016. Just blame the actress. There. Now we don't have to question ourselves! For verily, everything we did leading up to that election was practically perfect in every way.

We Poppins'ed that shit!

I honestly cannot believe people think this way.

But many seem to.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
42. Sarandon has been a political activist for decades.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:16 AM
Sep 2021

Don't dismiss her as just an actress. The party didn't fail in 2016.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
74. Yeah she and the Greens helped elect W in 2000...Gore wasn't good enough don't you know...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:05 AM
Sep 2021
Kerry was savaged in the primaries also...the party didn't fail...this sort failed the party, their fellow Democrats, and women in general...consider that Bush judges also vote for the Texas anti-abortion law that allows women to be hunted down and punished as well as all Trump judges.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
81. She was a John Edwards surrogate even though he voted the same way as Hillary and Biden
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:13 AM
Sep 2021

about Iraq. Somehow that didn't make him a warmonger. THAT WAS DIFFERENT.

bottomofthehill

(8,315 posts)
45. I partially agree with you
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:18 AM
Sep 2021

But the internet adds to the silliness and amplifies the message of a Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, Michael Moore, Jill Stein, Bernie bros…..The the twitters, facebooks, tic-tocs and instagrams of the world are not going away so we have to learn to plan with them. But when assholes with a profile have stupid ideas, there is a way to amplify them.

Susan Sarandon may be 1000th on your list but if you add up those like her. The number gets much higher and drove up voter apathy in a very close election.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
29. Oh, I blame those who didn't vote, those who voted for someone other than Hillary and the
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:07 AM
Sep 2021

actress and her minions...like Nina Turner (not a Democrat) who thankfully lost in Ohio.

Sympthsical

(9,020 posts)
37. Proportionate attention to these things would be nice
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:13 AM
Sep 2021

But this is the internet. Proportion isn't what we do.

And note, none of those things you mentioned hold anything the party did accountable.

Which I think is very much the point, when so much redirection effort is pointed at so many less significant things.

"30% of the entire electorate?! Yeah, but, like, five people over there did something. Let's blame them."

Yeah, because it's an easy blame. Why 30% of the entire electorate looked at what you were offering and went, "Oh, fuck that," is a much more difficult problem. Addressing it would require more than posturing.

So let's not do that. Let's just rage at the actress. Whew. My work is done! Elections solved, man.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
52. See here is the thing, I don't think the party did anything wrong...and that my friend is why
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:26 AM
Sep 2021

we find ourselves here...party loyalty is a must in order to win elections. If you don't like something in our party then get involved and change those things...but don't withhold votes at crucial times. And I speak generally not saying you didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. As for 30 %, I would say a fair number fell for Russian propaganda...so foolish.

But regardless, we are here because Trump was elected in 2016 and nothing you say can change this fact-,he was allowed to shape the judiciary for decades. So those 'but her email voters' gave the GOP the courts and that is the truth. And I will never forgive them. This isn't the first time either...we had a twenty-year war because Gore wasn't pure enough in 2000 and Bush was elected. He was incompetent and allowed 9-11 to happen. I would also point out that Bush appointees voted for the Texas abomination.

sop

(10,076 posts)
35. Voting is key. Far too many so-called Democrats can't be bothered to vote. This is the result.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:11 AM
Sep 2021

Conservatives have been organizing for decades, turning out for every election, voting in like-minded candidates at every level. Meanwhile, certain groups within the Progressive coalition were just too lazy - or too easily disuaded by media personalities like Sarandon - to get up off their asses and vote.

Sympthsical

(9,020 posts)
39. I see we're moving on to the blame Progressives portion of the program
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

I mean, Independents checked out in droves.

But yeah, the small percentage of progressives are the real problem here.

So hard to take any of this seriously. It's like no lessons were learned at all.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
46. Hillary lost by a very small percentage...had they come out she would have won. Independents
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:19 AM
Sep 2021

are not members of our party or always with us on the issues. But our side should have come out.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
78. Yes it is...and if we would vote for them and give them the numbers, I believe we could enact
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

important legislation.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
53. You can't save Susan from her own words. #LeaveSusanAlone!!!!!
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:28 AM
Sep 2021
#LeaveSusanAlone!!!!



bites don't it 😫

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
33. He wouldn't have won the primary but perhaps it would have become a two person primary
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
Sep 2021

more quickly and that might have heped us.

Autumn

(44,956 posts)
38. Had Biden run I don't belive Bernie would have. Biden would have won the primary and the
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

general easily.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
58. I think Bernie would have run...he wanted to run in 12 but was persuaded not to. I do think
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:38 AM
Sep 2021

he would have been forced out sooner...and no matter who emerged in the primary...Biden or Clinton. Neither would ended up as damaged goods so to speak. And we might have stopped Trump.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
79. Warren would not have run against a Democratic vice-president. I still believe Bernie would
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:08 AM
Sep 2021

have run. Hillary might still have run too. Of course, she is a Democrat and might have stepped aside if a sitting VP chose to run. We will never know.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
64. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:51 AM
Sep 2021

*gasp*
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Stop! yer killing me…..

Bernie wouldn’t have run.

Bwahahahahahaha!


Come on man. You can’t even believe that can you?!?!?!

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
31. I think Biden would have won myself...but that doesn't mean Hillary should have lost.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:09 AM
Sep 2021

Some who abandoned her literally have blood on their hands and Susan Sarandon is but one of them.

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
47. Who would have voted for him?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:20 AM
Sep 2021

He lost the Democratic primary, by a significant margin. He was the iconic boogey man of the GOP, the evangelicals, the independents... anyone to the right of Hillary. Would the QAnon vote have been sufficient to elect him? Doubt it.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
61. Had he made it to the general, the same coaltion that supported him this time would have
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:47 AM
Sep 2021

supported him. And he would have had a good chance. I live in Ohio. Biden was picked to deliver the Mid West for Pres. Obama. And it was the Mid West that gave us a win in 20. People don't realize that Biden is very good at campaigns. I have met Biden a number of times. This year after Trump his decency and competence really stood out and he won the nomination.

While Biden was campaigning for the Obama second term, he came to Ohio quite often. My daughter who at the time suffered from crippling anxiety really wanted to see him in Youngstown. I was working on the venue. So I took her. She had a panic attack due to the crowds, the SS was about to escort her out when Biden intervened, He had her placed in the VIP section way from the crowds and spoke very kindly to her about her illness. I believe to this day that he planted the seed that allowed her in the end to win the anxiety battle. He mentioned his stutter, but I am not sure what else was said. Whatever it was, it changed her life. He is a very good man...and smart.

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
111. He didn't make it to the general, by a significant margin.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:40 PM
Sep 2021

Twice in a row. Just to mage it clear, I was talking about 2016, when Sarandon made her pathetic remark about facilitating change by voting against Hillary after she won the primary.
The Biden coalition, if that’s what you are referring to, did not exist then, in large part because a large number of Bernie supporters wanted no part in it. A full 11% of them voted for Trump.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
18. Decades of political activism helping Republicans! Way to go!
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:56 AM
Sep 2021

Demonizing Democrats like Elizabeth Warren who "used to be a Republican" or someone who "used to take money -- or still takes money -- from Wall Street" and assures us that she won't vote for a Democratic woman because "I don't vote with my vagina, this is bigger than that." Hillary and Elizabeth are totally corrupt! Wall Street! Warmongering! Fracking! Obviously this isn't about policy. About imaginary immorality and corruption.

What an idiot.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
43. That is how I see it. It was shocking to see the attacks on Warren in 2020...very reminiscent of the
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:17 AM
Sep 2021

treatment of Clinton in 2016.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
49. Same people who swore up and down they totally would've voted for Warren in 2016
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:24 AM
Sep 2021

if she ran and they wanted to vote for a woman in 2016 but just "not that woman" because Hillary was Satan or whatever. Then when Warren ran the next time she was demonized the same way.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
106. "It is not good enough for someone to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me.' ... It's not good enough for
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:52 AM
Sep 2021

someone to say, 'Hey, I'm a Latina, vote for me' that's not good enough."

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
24. I would add all other "geniuses" who voted for Trump to spite Hillary to your list.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:04 AM
Sep 2021

But Sarandon was half right. Things had to get so bad before real change actually could happen. Things got bad. Real change is happening. Except not in a way Sarandon imagined them to be happening. You have to be totally delusional and fucked in your head not to have foreseen this happening exactly the way it happened.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
40. What fucking change has has happened? We have a 6-3 court and a woman's right to choose
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

is likely gone. We can win elections now and have the Righty court strike everything down...oh so much progress for sure. We are a breath away from losing our Republic to fascist Republicans...and with Trump getting three justices...I don't see how we will effect needed change. The courts were so important. It is too bad 'the but her email' crowd didn't see that.

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
48. What do you call a 6-3 SCOTUS if not fucking change?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

How about thre texas abortion law?

If you can't see the fucking change happening, I son't know where you are looking. Fucking change is all around us. In a a very bad way.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
82. Yeah, bad change so I guess what you are saying is that Sarandon was right about change but not
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:13 AM
Sep 2021

right about the kind of change and of course the revolution...yeah that is true. Certainly, it is not the kind of change we wanted.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
67. Anyone that doesn't think Susan has some blame
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

Anyone that doesn’t think Susan has some blame needs to go to her twitter account, RIGHT FUCKING NOW, and start reading her bullshit, the bullshit she retweets and the comments that her followers write.

She is not just a B grade actress and anyone dismissing her as such is being willfully ignorant. Go read the bullshit there and realize that all of her followers influence people as well. She went on the media and shit talked Clinton in 16 and welcomed Trump as president because it would bring about the revolution. The fucking moron forgot to mention it would be the christo-fascist revolution and women’s rights would be shredded as a result.

Honestly giving this person a pass… Here. O this site OF ALL PLACES… Is absolutely disgusting.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
80. I am having a real hard time not getting alerted on
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:09 AM
Sep 2021

and likely banned.

Honestly people coming here to this site defending this piece of garbage is absolutely insulting.
Defending someone who actively campaigned against our democratic candidate is egregiously offe sive.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
87. Like say, Steve Bannon?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:18 AM
Sep 2021

Being a "political activist" is not immediately laudable. History is littered with "political activists" from Lenin to Hitler to Robespierre who did a great deal to damage polity.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
92. No one said or thinks all political activists are "laudable." Point is she's not "just an actress."
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:22 AM
Sep 2021

Duh.

NNadir

(33,449 posts)
98. She would have been less noxious had she been "just an actress." I have no idea why celebrity...
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:32 AM
Sep 2021

...infers a right to political prominence.

One result of this belief is Trump, a person for whom the useless and in fact, pernicious "political activist" Sarandon worked to put in office.

Kaleva

(36,235 posts)
93. It's beyond silly to argue that Sarandon has control over millions of conservative white women
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:22 AM
Sep 2021

Nationally, Trump got 52% of the white female vote in 2016.

Below are the battleground states identified as such by Ballotpedia which Hillary lost

In MI, Trump got 51% of the white female vote compared to 43% for Hillary

In PA, Trump got 50% of the white female vote compared to 47% for Hillary

In FL, Trump got 60% of the white female vote compared to 36% for Hillary

IN NC, Trump got 60% of the white female vote compared to 37% for Hillary

In AZ, Trump got 51% of the white female vote compared to 44% for Hillary

IN OH, Trump got 56% of the white female vote compared to 39% for Hillary

In Iowa and Wisconsin, Hillary got a plurality of the the white female vote (49% in both states) but not a majority.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/national/president

Kaleva

(36,235 posts)
97. So you agree that she has no influence on millions of conservative, Trump voting white women?
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:28 AM
Sep 2021

The voters who actually cost Hillary the election.

Kaleva

(36,235 posts)
119. I haven't seen any empirical evidence that shows Sarandon's comment made a difference
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 01:39 PM
Sep 2021

There may be but I haven't seen it.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
75. They referred to Planned Parenthood as 'The Establisment'
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:05 AM
Sep 2021

Truth is, Roe was never even on their list of high priority populist slogans.

Multimillionare Activist & Actress Susan didn't really give a shit about women's repro-rights nor the SC.
She spent the entire Primary to Election grinding HRC's name into the dirt.

This is why Multimillionare Activist & Actress Susan promoted Trump the-pussy-grabber, over HRC..

This is what Multimillionare Activist & Actress Susan campaign against:
*******


"I'm the Last Thing Standing Between You and The Apocalypse" - Hillary Clinton, October 11, 2016

"Clinton said she wanted justices who would defend women's rights, back LGBT rights, support Roe v. Wade and reverse the Citizens United decision and its ability to funnel dark money into elections. Clinton said she wanted a court to "stand on the side of the people"

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
88. They don't care...they wanted what they wanted and they leashed hell on our nominee.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:18 AM
Sep 2021

They joined the GOP in the campaign against her and for Trump...because a vote for Stein was a vote for Trump.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
100. Please🙄 She spent the entire Primary to Election grinding HRC's name into the dirt.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:35 AM
Sep 2021

She gets no pass on this bs. She was on every media site, late night to daylight to social media.
She used her celebrity & influence to advocate against HRC & for Trump in the gen.
.....
As a female activist she got exactly what she advocated for..and against.
She must be so happy & proud of herself today.
Maybe she'll get another Hollywood star for her brilliant performance.
......

She spent the entire Primary to Election grinding HRC's name into the dirt.

This is why Multimillionare Activist & Actress Susan promoted Trump the-pussy-grabber, over HRC..

This is what Multimillionare Activist & Actress Susan campaign against: ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
*******


"I'm the Last Thing Standing Between You and The Apocalypse" - Hillary Clinton, October 11, 2016

"Clinton said she wanted justices who would defend women's rights, back LGBT rights, support Roe v. Wade and reverse the Citizens United decision and its ability to funnel dark money into elections. Clinton said she wanted a court to "stand on the side of the people"


After the SC final ruling on Tx vs Roe, Susan damned well owns this for her 2 yr long effort advocating against the future of our SC.

Some activist, huh. 👎

Fullduplexxx

(7,839 posts)
110. Misdirected anger and blame are not going to help change it
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:32 PM
Sep 2021

These people are there because of the way people voted not because of what Sarandon said. And by the way the population in America is mostly female and the voting population in Texas is mostly female. This country is theirs for the taking.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
112. Ya. Thats naieve. Voters voted because of the words Susan said for 2 fking yrs. ALSO..
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:42 PM
Sep 2021

If nothing Susan (et. al.) said ever mattered in the end, then there'd be no reason to campaign nor raise millions of dollars to influence voters.

"Money & Media" , he said when asked why he ran on the Dem ticket.

She owns her words.

Fullduplexxx

(7,839 posts)
115. You campaign to get your message out to people who aren't around to hear you
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 12:56 PM
Sep 2021

And that takes money. Nothing Susan Sarandon said or could have said would have caused me not to vote for the Democratic candidate. In the end it's the voters pushing that switch Not Susan Sarandon

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
116. Thanks for making my point.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 01:03 PM
Sep 2021

"You campaign to get your message out to people who aren't around to hear you"

She owns her words. She used her celebrity & the media to run oppo against this. ⬇️

"Clinton said she wanted justices who would defend women's rights, back LGBT rights, support Roe v. Wade and reverse the Citizens United decision and its ability to funnel dark money into elections. Clinton said she wanted a court to "stand on the side of the people"

She gets a new Hollywood Star. Yippee.

All I gotta say on your 'Save Susan' mission
We're done.

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