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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEight months since insurrection and nothing
No indictments I am thinking Garland is not going to pursue any crimes against trumpig or family. Why are these scumbags still walking around, I just get angry Du community. I want paybacks and hard make these traitors hurt from trump to Flynn.
imanamerican63
(13,763 posts)Unlike other AGs of past administration, he is following the laws this way Trump and his goons weasel their way out of trouble?
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,997 posts)Jim G.
(14,811 posts)gab13by13
(21,281 posts)I agree with him that the insurrection is growing in steam, don't you? In 2 weeks they are holding another insurrection rally so that tells me they feel emboldened since there have been no serious consequences.
Is DOJ investigating who gave the insurrectionists tours of the Capitol? Should it?
Is DOJ investigating who disabled the panic buttons on Congressional desks? Should it?
Why are so many people who were involved in a coup attempt only being charged with trespassing and other misdemeanors? Should they be charged with more serious crimes?
Is DOJ investigating who funded and planned the coup attempt? Should that just be left to the House select committee?
The attempted coup was based on the Big Lie. Why didn't DOJ get involved in stopping the Cyber Ninjas who violated federal election laws? Title 52 - Voting and Elections - Subtitle I and II. Ballots, voting systems, and other election materials are no longer in the custody of election officials. All that DOJ did was write a stern letter. Now the insurrectionists are in my state, Pa. doing the same thing the Cyber Ninjas did in Arizona, breaking federal election laws. Why isn't DOJ intervening?
If big wigs aren't held accountable for an attempted coup on our democracy we are going to lose our democracy.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,997 posts)Unless you are in the DOJ, you have no clue what's going on behind the scenes.
So keep complaining that isn't being done and keep bashing Democrats along the way.
gab13by13
(21,281 posts)We don't know what DOJ is doing.
We don't know what DOJ isn't doing.
I do know that DOJ did nothing meaningful to stop the Cyber Ninjas who violated federal election laws. The Cyber Ninjas weren't even qualified to do an audit, the company is a sham company with no employees, no office building, and as I said, because of DOJ inaction in Arizona they are now in my state, Pa.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,997 posts)Not the Republicans. Got it.
And since you are the expert on election laws, maybe contact the DoJ and explain to them how they are wrong in interpreting the law.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)The 1/6 Commission is taking a scalpel to this, and unlike his predecessors in the MF45 administration - AG Garland is smarter than them. He's patient.
I really don't want BIG news, indictments, arrests until next summer.
Playing the long game here.
PortTack
(32,750 posts)gab13by13
(21,281 posts)to criminally charge or indict anyone. The committee can investigate and turn the information over to DOJ.
The point that I think Duncan is making is not aimed at Congress but at our DOJ. The DOJ has much more clout than the select committee has. The select committee is going to have to go through the courts and fight for information, fight for subpoenas to be honored. The game that the GQP is playing is delay, obstruct, delay, obstruct, and it sure looks like they are quite successful.
maxsolomon
(33,265 posts)As far as indictments of Trump and his cabal, don't hold your breath.
Conspiracy is a hard thing to prove in court. It's why Mueller stopped short.
gab13by13
(21,281 posts)in Trump's cabal who were indicted, convicted, and sentenced, but Trump pardoned them or commuted their sentences.
Mueller did prove collusion, he did not feel he proved criminal conspiracy, mainly because many of the witnesses were safe in Russia.
Mueller did more than enough to warrant the impeachment and conviction of Donald Trump, too bad the GQP Senate is complicit with Trump.
maxsolomon
(33,265 posts)It doesn't make me any more optimistic.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Indictments most be based on solid evidence - at least, if they are to result in convictions that hold up on appeal. That requires in-depth, and in this case, complex and thorough investigations. "We know they're guilty of something - we all saw it on television" is not evidence nor will it sustain any indictments or convictions.
Investigations are not conducted in public and they don't adhere to a timetable determined by anxious pundits, ambitious journalists, and impatient members of the Democratic base. No one can or should assume that DOJ is doing nothing Just because they haven't been made a privy to the inner workings of the investigation.
gab13by13
(21,281 posts)Why did DOJ allow a sham group of people take custody of ballots, voting systems, and other election materials when the law states they must remain in the custody of election officials? Why is DOJ allowing similar fraudits in other states?
Title 52 - Voting and Elections - Subtitle I and II. We now have Kristen Clarke confirmed as head of the civil rights division of DOJ.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Unless there's another explanation that hasn't occurred to you or hasn't been explained repeatedly on DU the numerous previous times such accusatory questions have come up before.
brooklynite
(94,461 posts)Why cant the real world look like that???
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)This will go on for about 2 years.
https://www.insider.com/capitol-rioters-who-pleaded-guilty-updated-list-2021-5