Barry Goldwater "Mark my words, if and when these preachers get control....

[underpants]

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the (Republican) party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/777519-mark-my-word-if-and-when-these-preachers-get-control

Yes I just quoted Barry Goldwater on DU.

[FalloutShelter]

1. WOWW, just adds perspective to

how crazy this party has become when Barry Goldwater speaks reasonably about the then threat to the GOP, which has metastasized to a level he could not have imagined.

[COL Mustard]

5. Barry Goldwater Could Never Be A Republican Today

As far to the right as he was, he wasn't crazy enough for them. At one point I was mostly a Rockefeller Republican, but I drifted away over the 70s and 80s and finally left when John McCain picked Palin as his running mate. That showed me that the party had no principles other than staying in power for power's sake.

[FalloutShelter]

7. All true!

[Dreampuff]

15. Ditto!

[AZLD4Candidate]

20. Considering Goldwater died in 1998, I doubt he knew anything about Palin

[Kid Berwyn]

42. Gen. Sen. Goldwater knew about Pat Robertson, tha chicken livered liquor officer.

THE LIQUOR OFFICER

Or PAT ROBERTSON GOES TO WAR

EXCERPT...

Robertson had sailed for Korea in January, 1951, as a new young Second Lieutenant fresh out of Quantico's 11 week basic platoon leader training course. With him was his friend and classmate from Washington and Lee, Ed Gaines. The First Marine Division had taken fearful casualties at the Chosin Reservoir in December when the Chinese had entered this war with a vengeance; new second lieutenants were needed badly and the rumored life expectancy of platoon leaders in combat was only six minutes. Robertson was one of 71 officers and 1900 enlisted men in the Fifth Replacement Draft aboard the U.S.S. General J. C. Breckenridge. The full draft was needed to bring the Divisions' three rifle regiments up to strength for General MacArthur's planned February counter-attack against the Chinese. On the last day before leaving for Korea, however, Robertson and Gaines had been pulled off the ship in Kobe, Japan, with four others whose names had the misfortune to be listed next to Gaines on the roster of lieutenants assigned to the 7th Regiment. The reason: ostensibly to train young Marines coming out of the hospitals after the Chosin Reservoir battle.

Both the First Marine Division personnel office and those officers aboard the Breckenridge who had had combat duty were offended. Captain Harry Steinmeyer, a decorated veteran of Guadalcanal wrote on February 14, 1951:

"Happy Valentines: Here's one I have to tell you. Lt. Gaines & a Lt. Robinson (Whose Father is Senator from Va) were taken off in Japan. In short there were 80 men and 8 2nd Lts pulled on the pretense of training men who came from Korea to go back there. Gaines slipped 2 days before we got to Japan and said he & the other one were going to be pulled off there. It's really rotten politics. I'd sure like to write Winchell on it. See what Walter & Daddy say about that. At least I can live with my conscience. Well so much for that"

First Lieutenant David Hartstein, the Draft's adjutant, wrote his wife the same day:

"Hi There Valentine: Oh yes, there is one thing I wanted to tell you about. When we were in Kobe yesterday a Col. came aboard to choose several officers to retrain casualties that were getting ready to 90 back to Korea. He chose 6 second Lts. none of whom have ever had any combat. Its interesting to note that two of them had said they wouldn't have to go to Korea. One was the Robertson that General Sheppard wanted to see and I'm sure that his father being the Senator from Virginia had nothing to do with it and the other was a kid named Gaines whose father is president of Washington and Lee university. it is interesting though isn't it. See that's what you get when you choose the wrong parents. Incidentally they are both very nice guys but no more anxious to go than the rest of us."

What had caused this extraordinary salvation? As the trial date of March 8, 1988 approached, Robertson found himself in an increasing dilemma. He had shocked the Republicans by strong second place finishes, in Iowa., South Dakota and Minnesota; he had nearly won Michigan, and expected to win South Carolina on Saturday, March 5. March 8, "Super Tuesday" with its 22 separate primaries, was expected to provide perhaps even a majority of delegates in the bible belt states where from whence came Robertson's strongest support. His lawsuit had suppressed any media comment on his alleged "liquor officer" background.

CONTINUED...

(Original Link, now bad) http://www.schlatter.org/liquor_officer.htm

Via Waybac: https://web.archive.org/web/20120205005545/http://www.schlatter.org/liquor_officer.htm

[AZLD4Candidate]

46. What does that have to do with the OP's statement that when McCain picked Palin in 2008

Goldwater left the Republican Party, when he died in 1998?

[Kid Berwyn]

53. Pat Robertson almost became the GOP nominee in 1988.

Goldwater understood the political power of the religious right. Robertson helped make the modern GOP by implementing a strategy over the past 40 years where the RWNJs would first take over school boards and city councils, then grab up statehouses and governorships, then finally federal offices.

When I look around, it seems obvious to me how this drunk nut helped wreck democracy. For some reason, it doesn’t get mentioned much in the press. So, I thought I’d share.

[drmeow]

56. That's not what the OP said

"I was mostly a Rockefeller Republican, but I drifted away over the 70s and 80s and finally left when John McCain picked Palin as his running mate." the OP is referring to him/her self, not Goldwater

[world wide wally]

21. Cheney and Bush don't even qualify by today's GOP standards.

[AllaN01Bear]

27. nor would ronald raygun , even they claim to adore him

[prodigitalson]

51. he supported allowing gay soldiers to serve

Way back in the 90s

I'm not sure Reagan could win the primary today...

[Aristus]

2. Barry Goldwater was a stubborn son-of-a-bitch. But he wasn't stupid or crazy.

Those are the key factors in the new GQP right now; stupidity and craziness. The stubbornness is just a bonus.

I remember him saying not long before he died (and long after he had given up Senatorial power, BTW) while weighing in on the issue of LGBTQ service members: "You don't need to be straight. You just need to shoot straight."

I think Adam Kinzinger is the only Goldwater Republican left...

[Clash City Rocker]

3. Goldwater was not the hardcore right winger some people think he was

For example, he supported racial equality.

[SharonAnn]

26. re homosexualityhe said something "They don't have to be straight, they just have to shoot straight

Regarding gays in the military.

[FoxNewsSucks]

4. It finally happened

[a kennedy]

6. Love this, and that's it exactly......🤬 🤬 🤬

[LakeArenal]

8. Mr Lake liked Barry and he's a pretty liberal guy.

I, of course, was not a Goldwater fan....
at the time. But Goldwater Republicans are looking pretty great to me now......

[soldierant]

18. Wasn't

Hillary a Goldwater Girl? She certainly turned out all right.

[LakeArenal]

19. Point!

[Mosby]

9. Goldwater was more of a Libertarian than Republican.

[Boomerproud]

17. Exactly.

They hate government and are completely selfish. Still better than insane.

[paleotn]

10. These people are that damn nuts....

Even Barry Goldwater begins to sense.

[Evolve Dammit]

11. Barry wouldn't make it out of a primary today. Nixon either. Or Dole, or Ryan or....

Repugs are batshit crazy dangerous and a domestic terror network at this point. I kinda feel for the traditional GOPers, but they voted for 45 and Walker and DeSantis and Abbott and King and Palin and (you get the idea, fill in the next lines).

[Mr.Bill]

12. I wonder when, exactly, he said this.

To put things in context for the younger folks here, there was a time in the 60s when the religious people backed the Democratic Party. Not 100% of them, but most. Given that, this quote could have been a shot at the Democrats.

[underpants]

23. Looks like 1965

The Republicans were starting to outreach into churches more. This became part of God Guns and Gays - Lee Atwater.

[Yoyoyo77]

25. He spoke out on this later in his career.

This comment came well into the Reagan moral majority day's.

[cannabis_flower]

30. Pretty sure he was talking about the Republican Party

He also said this:


"The oldest philosophy in the world is conservatism, and I go clear back to the first Greeks. ... When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

[Mr.Bill]

31. Thanks,

that helps clarify it.

[Dreampuff]

13. We aren't actually dealing with the Republican Party

It may have never been ideal, but it has been taken over by a group of crazies. Do you remember when the Koch brothers out of Wichita, Kansas hauled bus loads of newly laid off people around the country to protest? There seemed to be a big issue with the possibility of a Democratic candidate winning and heaven forbid, he wasn't even a white man. When they interviewed many of the people, they didn't even know what they were protesting, but it was a trip around the country and free meals in a motel room.

The Koch brothers had originally planned on taking over the libertarian party and it could have easily been done for them with all of their wealth, but they felt that party didn't have enough muscle to actually do anything so they started working on the Republican Party. Flash Forward several years and they don't even want anything to do with them anymore because they have gotten so crazy. They created a monster.

[Jon King]

14. They believe in the rapture, so yeah, we can't reason with them.

Why would climate change or any real issues even matter to them? In their minds as long as they try to ban abortion, they are good to go.

[monkeyman1]

16. hate this !

i'm old enough to to remember back when he said this on the ol' boob tube ! even back then I knew he was right ! look at us now, damn bible thumper's are even in the Supreme Court ! bible thumpers & damn politics don't mix ! proven fact ! we need to get rid of this tax -exempt bull-shit asap ! Charity begin's at home ,not a damn building & support a preacher that fly's around in business jet ! get the picture !!

[Joinfortmill]

22. He was right

[Bongo Prophet]

24. To paraphrase: "In your heart, you know it."

[erronis]

28. The repuglicons haven't been taken over by religious zealots; just by money -

oligarchs, plutocrats, koch/mercer/thiel-style owner class.

They know how to manipulate the proles and the media and have the money to do so. They are using the dimwits that watch fox and sit in mega-church pews to spread their own virus.

Their purpose is not to expand Jesus Christ into the lives of everyone, but to subvert any free thinkers.

Not much different than the authoritarian regimes in Muslim or Chinese or Russian areas.

[keithbvadu2]

41. Religion and politics use each other to gain power and wealth.

[MarcA]

47. Excellent summation of Reality. n/t

[spanone]

32. K&R

[Equomba]

33. When Goldwater's daughter, Joanne, found that she was pregnant a month or so after

becoming engaged in December 1955, she told her father she did not want to have the child. Barry said ‘I’ll take care of it’ and arranged for her to fly back to Washington and have a then-illegal abortion.

Barry's wife Peggy started Planned Parenthood in Arizona in the 1937, after meeting with Margaret Sanger.

I'm surprised anyone in the R party ever mentions his name! Whoops, I take that back. Most are too damned dumb to know or even care about the history of anyone.

[brewens]

34. Evanpedical Christians is my new one. Waiting for some chances to use it. :) n/t

[UTUSN]

35. K&R

[PCIntern]

36. A Goldwater saga involving an acquaintance:

Many years ago I treated a fellow who was a far right wing lunatic even for the 1980s. He was a hateful, racist, intolerant man with an extremely short temper and a huge physique. He was one of the most dangerous people I ever knew and was very careful around him. When he would talk politics I would nod and smile and not give him any disagreement at all whatsoever with what he was saying. He had been fired from every job he ever had as executive chef in many places including country clubs and very fine restaurants, such as we had in Philadelphia.

He had been an airman stationed in the base where Goldwater was a regular, And if I recall correctly he told me that Goldwater was a bird colonel in the Air Force. He had had many conversations with him over the years and was respectful of his rank and attainment as senator however he felt that he was way too liberal and was closer to being a Democrat than a Republican. As an aside, The interesting part about this patient of mine was that he was extremely bright and intuitive, well read, and fully aware of the implications of everything he said and wished for. He was not a moron, he was not blind, he was not stupid and that one of the reasons I found him so dangerous was that he could intuitively interpret any body language, offhand remark, or statement as a slight against him. He was known to get into altercations with just about anyone who cross his path who got on his nerves.

I was quite relieved one day when I was told that he had been found deceased in his apartment, although no one ever knew exactly what it was that killed him and everyone assumed it was a heart attack. He was the first real effective extreme right winger with whom I had to be in contact in my lifetime on a regular basis And at the time but he might be sort of an anomaly. I will certainly wrong about that.

[themaguffin]

37. at the same time, he birthed the modern GOP and its racist base...

[Norbert]

38. Though I disagreed with Goldwater a lot, I liked him.

He didn't follow an agenda to the letter and did a fair amount of critical thinking. I'm sure McCain must have sought his advice on occasion.

If I'm not mistaken I thought Goldwater had some good things to say about President Clinton.

[mountain grammy]

39. Barry Goldwater believed in the Constitution

and the First Amendment establishment clause. He wasn't a stupid idiot like the current mob of republicans.

[IronLionZion]

40. Supposedly Goldwater told Nixon to resign

along with several other Republicans who would not be viable in today's extremist GOP. He saw that his party was going to hell fast.

[colsohlibgal]

43. He'd Be Appalled At The Likes Of MTG

He would almost certainly have been a member of the “Lincoln Project” group. He would have had no use for the likes of Trump.

[BobTheSubgenius]

44. Goldwater, Nixon, Buckley. If they were running today, they'd probably be primaried.

I doubt that that was even a word or a concept back then. You know you've been put into a dark place when you feel a tinge of nostalgia for them.

[underpants]

45. Buckley kicked John Birch out of CPAC

They’ve been let back in. That tells us a lot.

[BobTheSubgenius]

57. Interesting. I'm going to look up that story.

Thanks!

[EarnestPutz]

48. When he ran for president, the slogan was "In your heart, you know he's right", but the Dems.....

.....would answer "In your guts, you know he's nuts". Good times. He was right on a few issues, like abortion, gay rights, the environment and Native American rights. Mostly. But he was still nuts. And arrogant. I saw him on the Senate floor years ago, and he just bristled with arrogance, treating the Senate floor aides like dirt.

[Demnation]

49. Lest we forget: "Exremeism in defense of liberty is no vice..."

Maybe in private convo's Goldwater was leery of right wing evangelicals. It sure didn't stop him from sidling up and kissing their dirty butts for their money and their votes. He marched in lockstep with the 60's version of today's GOP rank and file.

In 1964 I was 10-years old and walked with my lunatic evangelical Republican Southern Baptist father (long since passed) in a Goldwater For President parade in Los Angeles. A cherished memory that also makes me sick to my stomach.

Fuck Barry Goldwater and his whole extremist, Republican, reactionary bullshit club of amoral millionaires.

Lest we forget: “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!." Barry Goldwater

[Grins]

50. According to John Dean's book...

… “Conservatives Without Conscience,” Barry had pretty much “Had it!” with the Republican Party the last year’s of his life.

NB: HIGHLY recommend the book!

[videohead5]

52. Jerry Falwell Sr

After Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated for the supreme court Jerry Falwell Sr said "I think all good Christians should get together and kick her off of the supreme court" They ask Berry Goldwater what he thought about what Jerry Falwell Sr said and he said " I think all good Christians should get together and kick Jerry Falwell in the ass"

[toughtony]

54. POWER

That's what this is about. They're not acting in the name of God, they are using the name of God to acquire and wield power. The need to control what, when, and how Americans live their lives. They can't live in a world that doesn't conform to their way of life. These people are dangerous and extremely violent. And there is nothing christian about them, I don't care how many bibles they read, how well they know it, they are the products of evil. It is very hard to find good christians, let alone a good church. These people make it extremely difficult to trust anyone from that group. Make no mistake, THEY WANT TO WIELD THE POWER TO CONTROL PEOPLE'S LIVES IN A MANOR THAT CONFORMS TO THEIR SO-CALLED VALUES. And I wouldn't dislike them so much if so many of them weren't so darn greedy and evil. Many of them are sexual perverts who hide behind their handmaiden wives. Look at the photo of those crooked christian leaders in the photo with trump--THEY ARE ALL GREEDY, POWER HUNGRY, EVIL CRIMINALS. No decent christian would dare be caught standing that close to the devil unless he sold his soul.

[ShazzieB]

55. It's so ironic.

Goldwater was a lunatic on the subject of the Vietnam War. He wanted to nuke Chinese supply lines in Vietnam. (Seriously, Barry? Nukes?!?)

The tag line in his campaign ads was "In your heart, you know he's right." Somebody came up with the rejoinder, "In your guts, you know he's nuts." Remembering all that, the idea of him being the voice of sanity is highly amusing, to say the least.