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Celerity

(43,357 posts)
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:17 PM Sep 2021

I think part of the motivation for the TX aborta-vigilante law is to disabuse libs from moving

there and to make many more flee the state, thus helping to ensure continued Rethug electoral dominance.

The Rethugs are also banking on a shedload of the Hispanic population to slide in increasing numbers to voting conservative, especially as so many are converting to Evangelical conservative Christian churches, both large and small.

For the first time ever in the US, Hispanics are now less than 50% Catholic.

The Fastest-Growing Group of American Evangelicals (Latinx)

A new generation of Latino Protestants is poised to transform our religious and political landscapes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/07/latinos-will-determine-future-american-evangelicalism/619551/



In 2007, when Obe and Jacqueline Arellano were in their mid-20s, they moved from the suburbs of Chicago to Aurora, Illinois, with the dream of starting a church. They chose Aurora, a midsize city with about 200,000 residents, mostly because about 40 percent of its population is Latino. Obe, a first-generation Mexican American pastor, told me, “We sensed God wanted us there.” By 2010, the couple had “planted a church,” the Protestant term for starting a brand-new congregation. This summer, the Arellanos moved to Long Beach, California, to pastor at Light & Life Christian Fellowship, which has planted 20 churches in 20 years. Their story is at once singular and representative of national trends: Across the United States, more Latino pastors are founding churches than ever before, a trend that challenges conventional views of evangelicalism and could have massive implications for the future of American politics.

Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church and converting to evangelical Protestantism in increased numbers, and evangelical organizations are putting more energy and resources toward reaching potential Latino congregants. Latinos are the fastest-growing group of evangelicals in the country, and Latino Protestants, in particular, have higher levels of religiosity—meaning they tend to go to church, pray, and read the Bible more often than both Anglo Protestants and Latino Catholics, according to Mark Mulder, a sociology professor at Calvin University and a co-author of Latino Protestants in America. At the same time, a major demographic shift is under way. Arellano, who supports Light & Life’s Spanish-speaking campus, Luz y Vida, told me, “By 2060, the Hispanic population in the United States is expected to grow from 60 million to over 110 million.” None of this is lost on either Latino or Anglo evangelical leadership: They know they need to recruit and train Latino pastors if they’re going to achieve what Arellano describes as “our vision to see that the kingdom of God will go forward and reach more people and get into every nook and cranny of society.”

The stakes of intensified Latino evangelicalism are manifold, and they depend on what kind of evangelicalism prevails across the country. The term evangelical has become synonymous with a voting bloc of Anglo cultural conservatives, but in general theological terms, evangelicals are Christians who believe in the supremacy of the Bible and that they are compelled to spread its gospel. Some Christians who identify with the theological definition fit the political stereotype, but others don’t. That’s true among evangelical Latino leaders too—they have very different interpretations of how the teachings of Jesus Christ call them to act. Every pastor I spoke with told me that they want to see more Latino pastors in leadership positions, and they each had a different take on what new Latino leadership could mean for the future of evangelicalism. When we spoke over the phone, Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the pastor of New Season Worship, in Sacramento, California, told me, “We’re not extending our hand out, asking, ‘Can you help us plant churches?’ We’re coming to primarily white denominations and going, ‘You all need our help.’ This is a flipping of the script.”

Although Latino congregations are too diverse to characterize in shorthand, one of the few declarative statements that can be made about Latino Protestants is a fact borne out with numbers: They are likelier than Latino Catholics to vote Republican. The expansion of Latino evangelicalism bucks assumptions that Democrats and progressives will soon have a clear advantage as the white church declines and the Hispanic electorate rises. “Some counterintuitive things that have happened [in our national politics] would make more sense if we better understood the faith communities that exist within Latinx Protestantism,” Mulder told me over the phone, alluding to the differing perspectives Latinos hold on many issues, including immigration, and how more Latinos voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020 than in 2016. According to the Public Religion Research Institute, Protestant affiliation correlated more with Hispanic approval of Trump’s job in office than age or gender.

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excellent longform article, much more at the top link



In 2014, 11% of Latinos were Evangelicals.



Now, the latest numbers from Pew show it is up to 19% (in less that 7 years)

It is likely over 20% now and growing rapidly, driven by the younger gens,

less than half of Latinos in the US are now Catholic, which is pretty amazing


https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/latino/


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I think part of the motivation for the TX aborta-vigilante law is to disabuse libs from moving (Original Post) Celerity Sep 2021 OP
male dominated authoritarians seek a vengeful father god nt msongs Sep 2021 #1
or, as I learned, at least a father god that wouldn't die on me or my family, Backseat Driver Sep 2021 #20
Yes, this state prides itself in being ultra-red..... LeftInTX Sep 2021 #2
I agree in theory Mary in S. Carolina Sep 2021 #3
+1000 PortTack Sep 2021 #6
Not sure if it will have a big impact on TX, their rube rating has always been high. Hoyt Sep 2021 #4
The state is turning blue! It's demographics...they need highly trained tech ppl PortTack Sep 2021 #5
I think the turning Blue is going to take longer than many think, especially given the Celerity Sep 2021 #7
Not overnight qazplm135 Sep 2021 #8
2032, perhaps, we shall know a lot more after the 2024 results are in. 2022 has shitstorm written Celerity Sep 2021 #9
I thought that too until qazplm135 Sep 2021 #11
if we don't pass those voter bills, it's is unlikely to end well. Celerity Sep 2021 #12
I don't think so qazplm135 Sep 2021 #17
Agree. It's not going to happen overnight, but it is happening. The state legislature has made gains PortTack Sep 2021 #10
Celerity is right... LeftInTX Sep 2021 #18
I too wonder if there is some sort of other agenda at work here. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #13
they toss shit against the wall and see what sticks Celerity Sep 2021 #14
Yes they have nothing to lose. At the very least it creates division and chaos. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #15
Yep, they toss shit against the wall and see what sticks LeftInTX Sep 2021 #19
Good point. Texas is 100% off the table for me ecstatic Sep 2021 #16
In many states Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #21

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)
20. or, as I learned, at least a father god that wouldn't die on me or my family,
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:49 AM
Sep 2021

at the worst possible moment. Their wives keep their tyrannical secrets and fears and serve up their lives in submissive Machiavellian service at the right hand of God's favored son, ever on the same page, that Church and uneducated bride, and by usurping the rewards of the life of their own male child, #3 kid, for the same upkeep, so gratefully and congenially promised. More men's secrets and fears? I'll never know and would not presume because #3 is dying soon without a fight to live, and mom passed at 93 refusing to eat or drink at the same facility as her #3 son.

Daughters they bear in sorrow, the first arrived; the second arrived, but with literal biblical truth as their guide, they gave me away; #2 would not be given away. They looked more favorably on that daughter, the one in which they could vicariously find blue-eyed blonde pride that would confirm their own patriotic righteousness, because her third grandchild was born challenged in two ways; in transgenerational racial trauma and developmentally--she would ever remain something of a child. Perhaps I would too, always searching and researching what I could not afford to accomplish alone.

Indeed, I was the first, a true disappointment, choosing to abandon them in marriage and employment instead of in college (though, of course, I should have known better; that dad would get better though never be well); likewise, #2 kid; a rebel who did both without their help. You'd never believe the look I caught on telling grandma our two girls made our family complete. To be fair, the parental early lives were likely unbelievably traumatic, and DH, kids, and myself had to learn to forgive the shunning from every one of them, lasting about 30 years, give or take, my parents, siblings, bro-in-law and niece. I hadn't yet developed a "better angel" that could tolerate the toxicity. I needed to say to them: stand by me, but no one listened or ever believed. Like Shakespeare said in Julius Caesar - the evil that men do live after them, the good is oft interred with their bones. In these, my senior years, I doubt I'll ever shake off and will likely have contributed some congenital transgenerational fundamental fatal flaw--I'm not perfect except as a loving patsy who gives those 70 x 7 chances, accepts true apologies, but remembers.

In the end, something omniscient created the universe, a God, but the science of my energy, neither created (yet reproduced in the family of man) nor ever destroyed, but ever changing and still greatly unknown by the scientists, will be my savior - energy twinkle to energy-angel--how exciting! My young grandson says he believes in ALL gods - an omnist! I have hope! We'll see...

LeftInTX

(25,322 posts)
2. Yes, this state prides itself in being ultra-red.....
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:25 PM
Sep 2021

I often see comments, "Too many Californians here"....If something goes wrong, they blame it on Californians....

 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
3. I agree in theory
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:27 PM
Sep 2021

but in reality, it is expensive to move and it is hard to leave family; women will cross state lines to end their pregnancy - cheaper. On the other hand, Texas will become isolated and no one will want to travel to this state, except maggots,...at least I would never travel to this state.

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
5. The state is turning blue! It's demographics...they need highly trained tech ppl
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:30 PM
Sep 2021

These ppl bring liberal voting habits.

Celerity

(43,357 posts)
7. I think the turning Blue is going to take longer than many think, especially given the
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:35 PM
Sep 2021

religious/voting trends of the Hispanic population there and elsewhere. Look at Florida for a good example (granted different demos on the Latinx pops vis-a-vis Texas).

Celerity

(43,357 posts)
9. 2032, perhaps, we shall know a lot more after the 2024 results are in. 2022 has shitstorm written
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:40 PM
Sep 2021

all over it, potentially, for a multiplicity of reasons.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
11. I thought that too until
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:49 PM
Sep 2021

The events in Texas and copy paste already coming elsewhere.

If there's a single issue that just might rile up our voters, it's effectively killing Roe.

Might be a dog that caught the car situation.

So this is the one thing that could make 22 a surprise in our favor

Celerity

(43,357 posts)
12. if we don't pass those voter bills, it's is unlikely to end well.
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:56 PM
Sep 2021

I have never been one to sugar-coat things.

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
10. Agree. It's not going to happen overnight, but it is happening. The state legislature has made gains
Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:42 PM
Sep 2021

With family in Phoenix, it took 2 decades of ppl from CA moving there to finally turn the state blueish/purple

LeftInTX

(25,322 posts)
18. Celerity is right...
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:45 AM
Sep 2021

Every time there's a crime around here, "Too many Californians in Texas"...It may be a Texas native who committed the crime, but they will blame everything wrong in Texas on California.

It's not really about Californians turning Texas blue, it's about "Owning the libs" and "firing up the GOP base"...That's all it's about....They know being "anti-liberal" will help them win elections.....They are counting on winning as many seats as possible in the Texas House and Senate....Attorney General, Texas Supreme Court, Court of Criminal Appeals, Land Commissioner, Comptroller, Rail Road Commissioner and Ag Commissioner.

They also support local down ballot Republicans for County positions as DA, sheriff, constable, judges and county commissioner. They also support conservative non-partisan candidates for local school board and municipal races....All these down ballot races keep feeding their machine at the top....

It's all about staying in power at absolutely all costs .Any race that they lose...even if it is a county judge...is a big deal to them..
They don't care about anything else....Being anti-abortion helps keep all these people voting for them and their coffers full.I kid you not!!! I'm sure Abbott's war chest is growing as we speak.......Last I checked he had $55 million...

Irish_Dem

(47,057 posts)
13. I too wonder if there is some sort of other agenda at work here.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:00 AM
Sep 2021

The law is so ham-fisted and poorly thought out.
Maybe they are up to something else with it.

Could it possibly be a way to slow down Biden's legislative agenda by distracting Congress and the public?
I don't know.

LeftInTX

(25,322 posts)
19. Yep, they toss shit against the wall and see what sticks
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:51 AM
Sep 2021

And being anti-abortion got them Abbott in 2014...

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
16. Good point. Texas is 100% off the table for me
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:08 AM
Sep 2021

Of course, where I currently live isn't that much better.

Elessar Zappa

(13,991 posts)
21. In many states
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 05:00 AM
Sep 2021

Hispanic supports for Democrats remain very high, including New Mexico, Arizona and probably California. It’s mainly Texas and Florida that we have to worry about in regards to the Hispanic vote potentially going to the Rethugs. What the Republicans have done better than us is outreach on Spanish radio and television. There was virtually no Democratic messaging on those mediums in the 2020 election. And yes, the Catholic Church is losing many to evangelical churches. The Catholic Church needs to do more outreach in the community. I’m no fan of the Church but Catholic Hispanics tend to be overwhelmingly Democrat.

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