Fear of a Civil War?

[kentuck]

Is that why the DOJ seems to be slow-walking the investigation against the leaders of the Insurrection of January 6th? Do they believe that it is not wise to stir up the emotions even more at this volatile time? Or is everything really just moving at a normal pace?

The wrong people seem to be protesting? The white nationalists, the haters, the liars, the deceivers, the criminals are the ones protesting the last election. They have no legitimate reason to protest anything. So far, they have escaped any serious punishment.

But, rather than protest, the sane folks are just waiting for justice to take charge. Get these criminals off our streets and make it safe for normal citizens. Everyone waits patiently for justice to be done. However, they do not see the job as complete until the leaders of the seditious act are charged.

Is there really any plan to charge any of them? Would it be outright warfare if one political Party charged members of the other Party, including their former President, with crimes against our country?

Is that the dilemma that the DOJ is facing? Are people being realistic about what they can and wish to do?

[global1]

1. You Break It - You Bought It.....

I keep hearing we are a country of laws.

If you break the law - you need to be held accountable. That's just the way it works.

Until those that have broken laws are held accountable - the current climate of high emotions during this volatile time - won't cool down.

[MineralMan]

2. I doubt it. Instead, I think that building solid cases against important

or prominent people is difficult. The DOJ traditionally moves slowly in bringing charges against such people, and now is no exception.

Since I do not know the status of investigations, and I don't think many outside of the DOJ know, I can't really comment on those investigations' progress.

That is especially true in the case of bringing charges against a former President. That has never happened in our nation's history. It has always been almost unthinkable, actually.

In addition, there is a problem in getting witnesses to show up and testify. While there are measures that can be taken against such non-testifiers, they are bound to take additional time and can bollix up the process.

The essential problem is that most of the charges against the insurrectionists are not major felonies. Worse, the actual leaders of the insurrection are, or have been, high government officials. That complicates matters considerably and leads to delays in decision-making by the DOJ.

What will happen? I do not know, nor do I have enough information to make any sort of prediction with confidence.

[CanonRay]

3. Where's Edwin Stanton when you need him?

He'd crush them into dust.

[Irish_Dem]

4. If they are doing what you suggest, it is a very big gamble. They could end up emboldening traitors.

[lagomorph777]

5. We're already in a civil war. DOJ is helping us lose it.

[hadEnuf]

6. If it's volatile now just wait until the traitors have a successful coup of the government

and seize full power.

If there is going to be a fight it would better to have it now rather than to wait until they hold all of the cards.

[brooklynite]

7. Aren't there enough silly conspiracy theories to go around?

As for “slow walking” the 1/6 cases, please share your professional experience as to how long it takes to get an indictment and conviction, and how successful telling the Jury “we know they’re guilty” tends to be as a strategy.

[kentuck]

8. Welcome!

I was wondering when you were going to come around with your "anti-conspiracy", "patience" baloney.

[brooklynite]

16. And I'll counter with: Have you contacted President Biden about this?

You’re suggesting AG Garland is intentionally refusing to indict/prosecute the people involved. Garland serves at the Pleasure of the President. Have you contacted him to demand his resignation/firing? Or is anonymously complaining more productive?

[frogmarch]

9. If it becomes an out-and-out war,

some will call it the War of Science Aggression.

Come on, DOJ, get the lead out!

[Kaleva]

11. For a war to happen, one needs two sides and we are peaceful.

Hardly any of us DUers have a gun or guns.

[kentuck]

13. Are you saying we would be easily defeated?

Since we have no guns to defend ourselves? ( Although I think there may be more guns then people realize in the hands of liberals)

[Kaleva]

17. To be defeated implies we put up a fight.

Otherwise it'd be like a neighbor trash talking to me about how he kicked my ass in a one on one game of basketball the day before even though i was home at the time doing chores and babysitting and don't really give a hoot about basketball. I don't think anyone would say my neighbor defeated me.

If there was a real chance of CW, we'd see evidence of people on our side preparing for it but we don't.

[kentuck]

18. What kind of spark or incident would it take to start a violent reaction?

I'm not sure.

[Kaleva]

19. Don't know. I spend my time preparing to survive climate change as that is real.

Climate change is going to make everything else seem like peanuts.

[flotsam2]

21. I'm a DUer slightly to the left of Chairman Mao and I have weapons

As for getting ready, last December I opened my biometric safe and extracted ammunition and loaded them all. They stayed loaded until TFG fled and Joe Biden was sworn in. Now the guns are empty but the loaded magazines are back in the safe. They're in the front of the safe and I am on ready status. I will not hesitate to lock and load should the need arise...

[Kaleva]

22. You won't last long unless you are part of a well trained and equiped network.

History shows us that the Lone Wolf often ends up dead.

My goal is to survive so I can be around to help my family make it through tough times. And to do that, I'll be the gray man.

Plus I have to keep in mind that to survive climate change, I'll need the assistance of others regardless of their political beliefs.

[flotsam2]

23. Who said I'm a lone wolf?

I said only that I am an armed democrat. My state allows both open and concealed carry. Many of my friends are armed democrats as are most of my family. Though we are New Englanders most of us became familiar with arms in military service. I feel it is less than factual to say we are relatively unarmed compared to GOP morans. Do not mistake the fact I am perfectly willing to hug trees to imply I am not willing to protect democracy.

[Kaleva]

24. Do you train regularly with your aremd family and friends or do you all plan to wing it?

I imagine you have communications set up and everybody knows the chain of command and where each individual fits in and what their duties are.

[flotsam2]

25. No

Do you think the fat-assed Y'all Qaeda do? I'm not planning a clandestine overthrow of the US government-just saying democrats would oppose that.

[Kaleva]

26. If they are planning on a cladestine overthrow of the govt, they are organized and getting trained.

Otherwise, they could not hope to succeed and they are not to worry about.

[flotsam2]

27. You made a spelling error so I win!

Just kidding-But it appears we are going to have to disagree. But you did misspell.

[Kaleva]

28. Yes, we disagree but I'm enjoying the back and forth!

I don't think there's going to be a CW or an actual serious attempt to overthrow the govt and reinstate TFG. To do so requires training with others and I don't see that happening on a widespread scale. There's a few groups out there but they are too few and small (like the Michigan Militia) to pose a serious threat to this nation.

[NickB79]

29. A substantial portion of us here have guns

We just don't wave them around like the Right does.

[Kaleva]

10. Only a very small percentage of people take the possibility of CW seriously

This shown by the fact that while millions of Trump voters live within a day's drive of Washington DC , only about 800 from all around the country attacked the Capitol.

[kentuck]

12. I don't think the population in general is much worried about a CW...

...but what is the mindset of the DOJ, in regards to keeping everything at a low volume and minimizing any chances for violence, and letting the flames of emotion die down somewhat before they do anything that might look "partisan"?

I would like to think otherwise, but I do not know.

[Kaleva]

15. If the DOJ was worried about a possible CW...

I would think we'd see ourselves very tangible evidence that the nation was on the cusp of one but we don't

[Silent3]

14. I think it's just the usually slow-walking of any prosecution against the rich and powerful

The poorer you are, the darker skinned you are, the less well-connected you are, the more mundane your crimes, the more vigorously you are pursued by "justice".

For anything else, the powers that be will get to it when they get to it.

And gosh darnit, they don't want to risk going up against the special, important people and possibly looking bad by losing a case or two because they didn't spend two years preparing the case.

Republicans especially seem to get a pass for shit other people wouldn't get a way with because, well, gee, that's just Republicans being Republicans.

[bluedevil4]

20. I think

it will get very active next year during the campaign. I also think that's when trumpy will get indicted or arrested.

I don't fear a civil war but I would love to split off from the south as long as our brothers and sisters down there come here. (I say in jest)