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Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:50 AM Sep 2021

So why did Trump tell every to "March down to the capitol"? He knew it was

closed to visitors. It's not usually where people protest in Washington unless someone knows something I don't.

There is nothing there is except a building that is locked; but with people inside running the government. And that's where he told them to march.

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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
3. Alex Jones told the crowd at the Capitol that day that they should go to the east side because Trump
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

Was going to give a speech there shortly.

Peregrine Took

(7,413 posts)
5. He implied he was going to go WITH them then made a small aside .....
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 11:15 AM
Sep 2021

"if the Secret Service will let me" hahaha - always providing an "out" for himself

He knew he was never going to go with them and couldn't wait to park his big behind in his recliner in front of the tv to watch all hell break loose.

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
9. And what was he going to do there? He couldn't go in either. Nothing was set up
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 11:59 AM
Sep 2021

like a stage or something like that. I'm sure he just said that to get people to go.

Yes, he talks like a mobster. Nothing concrete and always giving himself an "out" like you say.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
6. An earlier protest at the Capitol:
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 11:26 AM
Sep 2021


Reporting Vietnam: "Operation Dewey Canyon III" Anti-war Protest
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A five-day, peaceful protest organized by Vietnam Veterans Against the War took place April 19-23, 1971, in Washington, D.C., reflecting an acceleration of anti-war sentiment by veterans who had returned from Vietnam disillusioned by the United States’ role in the conflict and their own experiences in Southeast Asia. On April 22, Secretary of State John Kerry, then a spokesman for VVAW, testified against the war in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee while a large group of veterans protested down the street on the steps of the Supreme Court. As the war dragged on, the participation of combat veterans in high-profile protests made it harder for the media and the public to discount the anti-war movement.

http://www.newseum.org/vietnam

Contributing support for the “Reporting Vietnam” exhibit is provided by CBS Corporation, in memory of CBS News correspondent Bob Simon.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War

{snip}

Dewey Canyon III – Washington, D.C., April 1971



Vietnam Veterans Against the War Demonstration Dewey Canyon III

This peaceful anti-war protest organized by VVAW was named after two short military invasions of Laos by US and South Vietnamese forces. Dubbed "Operation Dewey Canyon III," it took place in Washington, D.C, April 19–23, 1971. Participants said it was "a limited incursion into the country of Congress." This week of protest events gained much greater media publicity and Vietnam veterans participation than earlier events.

Led by Gold Star Mothers (mothers of soldiers killed in war), more than 1,100 veterans marched across the Lincoln Memorial Bridge to the Arlington National Cemetery gate, just beneath the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Reverend Jackson H. Day, who had a few days earlier resigned his military chaplainship, conducted a memorial service for their fellows. He said:

Maybe there are some others here like me—who wanted desperately to believe that what we were doing was acceptable, who hung on the words of "revolutionary development" and "winning the hearts and minds of the people." We had been told that on the balance the war was a good thing and we tried to make it a good thing; all of us can tell of somebody who helped out an orphanage, or of men like one sergeant who adopted a crippled Vietnamese child; and even at My Lai the grief of one of the survivors was mixed with bewilderment as he told a reporter, "I just don't understand it ... always before, the Americans brought medicine and candy." I believe there is something in all of us that would wave a flag for the dream of an America that brings medicine and candy, but we are gathered here today, waving no flags, in the ruins of that dream. Some of you saw right away the evil of what was going on; others of us one by one, adding and re-adding the balance sheet of what was happening and what could possibly be accomplished finally saw that no goal could be so laudable, or defense so necessary, as to justify what we have visited upon the people of Indochina.

The gate to the cemetery had been closed and locked upon word of their impending arrival; the Gold Star mothers placed the wreaths outside the gate and departed. The march re-formed and continued to the Capitol, with Congressman Pete McCloskey joining the procession en route. McCloskey and fellow Representatives Bella Abzug, Don Edwards, Shirley Chisholm, Edmund Muskie and Ogden Reid addressed the large crowd and expressed support. VVAW members defied a Justice Department-ordered injunction against camping on the Mall and set up an installation. Later that day, the District Court of Appeals lifted the injunction. Some members visited their Congressmen to lobby against the U.S. participation in the war. The VVAW presented Congress with a 16-point suggested resolution for ending the war.

On April 20, 1971, 200 veterans listened to hearings by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on proposals to end the war. Other veterans, still angry at the insult to the Gold Star Mothers when they were refused entry to Arlington National Cemetery the previous day, marched back to the front gate. After initial refusal of entry, the veterans were finally allowed in. Veterans performed guerrilla theater on the Capitol steps, re-enacting combat scenes and search and destroy missions from Vietnam. Later that evening, Democratic Senators Claiborne Pell and Philip Hart held a fund-raising party for the veterans. During the party it was announced that Chief Justice Warren Burger of the United States Supreme Court had reversed the decision of the Court of Appeals and reinstated the injunction. The veterans were given until 4:30 the following afternoon to break camp and leave the National Mall. This was the fastest reversal of an Appeals Court decision in the Supreme Court's history.

On April 21, more than 50 veterans marched to The Pentagon, attempting to surrender as war criminals. A Pentagon spokesman took their names and turned them away. Veterans continued to meet with and lobby their congressional representatives. Senator Ted Kennedy spent the day speaking with the veterans. The guerrilla theater re-enactments were moved to the steps of the Justice Department. Many veterans were prepared to be arrested for camping on the National Mall, but none were, as park police defied orders to make arrests. Headlines the following day read, "Vets Overrule Supreme Court."

On April 22, a large group of veterans demonstrated on the steps of the Supreme Court, saying that the Supreme Court should have ruled on the constitutionality of the war. The veterans sang "God Bless America" and 110 were arrested for disturbing the peace, and were later released. John Kerry, as VVAW spokesman, testified against the war for two hours in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee before a packed room.[24] The veterans lobbied all day on Capitol. A Washington District Court judge dissolved his injunction order, rebuking the Justice Department lawyers for requesting the court order and then not enforcing it. Veterans staged a candlelight march around the White House, while carrying a huge American flag upside down in the historic international signal of distress.

On Friday, April 23, more than 800 veterans individually tossed their medals, ribbons, discharge papers, and other war mementos on the steps of the U.S. Capitol, rejecting the Vietnam War and the significance of those awards. Among those that threw medals were Sen. John Kerry. Several hearings in Congress were held that week regarding atrocities committed in Vietnam and the U.S. media's inaccurate coverage of the war. There were also hearings on proposals to end the United States' participation in the war. The vets planted a tree on the mall as part of a ceremony symbolizing the veterans' wish to preserve life and the environment.

Senators George McGovern and Mark Hatfield helped arrange at least $50,000 in fundraising for Dewey Canyon III. The VVAW paid $94,000 to advertise this event in the April 11, 1971 New York Times.

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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
7. I have posted links to the transcript of Trump's remarks at his
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 11:33 AM
Sep 2021

rally at the Ellipse that morning. The morning rally was entirely Constitutionally-protected.

I'll find them.

{a bit later} They were in this thread. And you're right; he did say "march." I thought he exhorted his followers to do no more than "walk." He said that too.

Sat Aug 21, 2021: Woman in line at the Trump rally today says she is hoping that he is about to reveal that he is...

Which no doubt explains how come I got caught out in the rain while shopping this afternoon.

-- -- -- -- --

Here is a link to the transcript of Trump's remarks at the Ellipse at noon or thereabouts on January 6, 2021.

Sun Jan 10, 2021: Here is a first draft of a transcript of Trump's speech at the rally at the Ellipse.

FirstDraft - Speech: Donald Trump Holds a Political Rally on The Ellipse - January 6, 2021

Remember, this is just a first draft.

The word "Capitol" appears twice (other than as a tag or keyword):

00:15:52 - 00:16:17 (25 sec)

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing And only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

01:10:39 - 01:11:07 (28 sec)

So we're going to -- we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give -- the Democrats are hopeless, they never voted for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help.

The word "capital" incorrectly transcribed instead of "Capitol" appears once. The other appearances refer to "the nation's capital":

00:15:25 - 00:15:52 (27 sec)

Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down -- Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the capital and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

The character string "peace" appears once:

00:15:52 - 00:16:17 (25 sec)

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing And only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

The character string "march" appears once:

00:15:52 - 00:16:17 (25 sec)

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing And only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

The character string "walk" appears six times:

00:15:25 - 00:15:52 (27 sec)

Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down -- Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the capital and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

and

01:10:39 - 01:11:07 (28 sec)

So we're going to -- we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give -- the Democrats are hopeless, they never voted for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help.

and

01:11:07 - 01:11:30 (23 sec)

We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America. Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

The character string "occup," which would cover "occupied," "occupying," "occupation," and so forth, does not appear at all.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
8. yeah, it wasnt a random day.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 11:45 AM
Sep 2021

i'm glad that it gets referred to that way more often since. but that wasnt the message when this all happened and for a while thereafter.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
10. Why?
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:03 PM
Sep 2021

He also said he was going with them - to stop the steal - it was a failed coup.
in reality he was attempting to steak the presidency.
That is all.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
11. It was an INSURRECTION - pure and simple........
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:09 PM
Sep 2021

It was planned and coordinated by a large group of people working for/with people wanting to overturn the fair election and keep IQ45 as their 'president.'

The ReubliQan effort to delay/deny evidence, findings, and justice are doing so because of intense involvement it the event.

JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED IF WE ARE TO PRESERVE OUR COUNTRY.

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