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applegrove

(118,642 posts)
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:44 PM Sep 2021

Hospitals And Ambulances Are Overflowing In Oklahoma With People OD'ing On Horse De-Wormer

BY JASON EASLEY at PoliticusUSA

Hospitals And Ambulances Are Overflowing In Oklahoma With People OD’ing On Horse De-Wormer

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/09/03/oklahoma-horse-pill-overdoses.html

"SNIP.....

Rural Oklahoma has been hit with a new drug epidemic. It’s not opioids or heroin. People are overdosing on ivermectin.

Hospitals In Oklahoma Are Flooded With Horse De-Wormer Overdoses

KFOR reported:

A rural Oklahoma doctor said patients who are taking the horse de-wormer medication, ivermectin, to fight COVID-19 are causing emergency room and ambulance back ups.

“There’s a reason you have to have a doctor to get a prescription for this stuff because it can be dangerous,” said Dr. Jason McElyea

Dr. McElyea said patients are packing his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking ivermectin doses meant for a full-sized horse because they believed false claims the horse de-wormer could fight COVID-19.

.....SNIP"

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Hospitals And Ambulances Are Overflowing In Oklahoma With People OD'ing On Horse De-Wormer (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2021 OP
Well, now that the barn door has been left open, herd them in. bluedigger Sep 2021 #1
I understand this deworming medication... FarPoint Sep 2021 #2
I thought I read somewhere Wicked Blue Sep 2021 #5
Makes sense.... FarPoint Sep 2021 #9
"Loose bowels" is one of them! Grins Sep 2021 #8
I always knew repuliqans were Wicked Blue Sep 2021 #52
Hyponatremia will shut your kidneys down if it's bad enough. JoanofArgh Sep 2021 #27
People reporting "long worms" being expelled don't know that is their intestinal lining coming off Hekate Sep 2021 #29
My Wife Had That ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #46
Here is a clinical video... FarPoint Sep 2021 #54
Crazier than the Tide Pod challenge. Throck Sep 2021 #3
Hah hah TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #4
Offer them a bed of hay..... OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #7
My sentiments exactly. I always thought rural Oklahoma Polly Hennessey Sep 2021 #10
IVERMECTIN IS SAFE BECAUSE JOE ROGAN! budkin Sep 2021 #6
AND the RW wants these people to keep multiplying??? joetheman Sep 2021 #11
What these people didn't realized they aren't really horses, just horses asses. patphil Sep 2021 #12
They should adjust the dose accordingly... Hugin Sep 2021 #15
Fine by me. Texaswitchy Sep 2021 #13
Since people take it we should legalize the human version Cicada Sep 2021 #14
Doctors shouldn't be prescribing medication they know doesn't work. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #16
They don't know it doesn't work, they know it might work or it might not work Cicada Sep 2021 #23
Ivermectin (Liberal Redneck) struggle4progress Sep 2021 #17
Horse treatment list central scrutinizer Sep 2021 #38
+ struggle4progress Sep 2021 #40
The Hill finds this credible enough to quote, but I haven't found Hortensis Sep 2021 #18
Another source Kaleva Sep 2021 #20
If it's real and not overblown it'll be confirmed and numbers given. Maybe Hortensis Sep 2021 #24
People are obviously taking doses that are much too large. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #58
Sure, Shazzie, but those are poison control calls, NOT a flood of ODs. Hortensis Sep 2021 #59
Local News source - Metro Cincinnati is having trouble too. KentuckyWoman Sep 2021 #43
Good that local news is getting it out there. Hortensis Sep 2021 #48
On the bright side, none of them have worms. Kaleva Sep 2021 #19
... Strelnikov_ Sep 2021 #21
Stealing. Sharing. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #39
So other people who need medical attention gratuitous Sep 2021 #22
I especially like this paragraph Ms. Toad Sep 2021 #25
Wow I love this country. Noodleboy13 Sep 2021 #26
Given the side-effects, this could lead to another toilet paper shortage. nt Buns_of_Fire Sep 2021 #28
Herd Dummunity hatrack Sep 2021 #30
I'm not buying this BeerBarrelPolka Sep 2021 #31
Given that the average horse weighs 1,200 lbs. FakeNoose Sep 2021 #32
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #33
If Republicans in Oklahoma want to commit slow, painful suicide, let them DFW Sep 2021 #34
A full size dose for a "full size" horse UpInArms Sep 2021 #35
SEND THEM HOME. roamer65 Sep 2021 #36
+1000 TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #44
Refer Them To Rogan ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #47
My sentiments EXACTLY. Paladin Sep 2021 #50
Yep! Luciferous Sep 2021 #53
NO. KentuckyWoman Sep 2021 #55
This brings me joy. I hope they are in severe pain and distress. BlueNProud Sep 2021 #37
Whew! Thank you for saying it out loud... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #41
wilbur! orleans Sep 2021 #42
... MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #56
Horse pills Laurelin Sep 2021 #45
Fuck that! You eat horse medicine in lieu of vaccine, you take your ass to the vet's office NightWatcher Sep 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Sep 2021 #51
Rock-chewing stupid. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2021 #57

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
2. I understand this deworming medication...
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:48 PM
Sep 2021

the increase doses they take...depletes the sodium levels in the body....hyponatremia...not sure what else it does...

Grins

(7,217 posts)
8. "Loose bowels" is one of them!
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:55 PM
Sep 2021

Lots of pants-shitting! Often wrong time, worse place. Must suck to be them. (Stifles rude snickering…)

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
29. People reporting "long worms" being expelled don't know that is their intestinal lining coming off
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:36 PM
Sep 2021

Really stupid and really dangerous.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
46. My Wife Had That
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 05:03 PM
Sep 2021

It was a drug interaction.
Brought her sodium level to 105mg/liter.
Anything under 135 is concerning. Under 125 is severe.
The LD50 is 98. So, she was 7ppm from the LD50, meaning she probably had a 30% chance of dying!
Worst part: it was ME that looked up this drug on the internet and discovered the side effect. Her GP & prescribing doctor both were confused.
They were hitting with IV after IV of saline, and level wouldn't rise.
They pulled that med off her list and in two day she was at 138. Man, was I mad!

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
54. Here is a clinical video...
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 06:12 PM
Sep 2021

outlines the Ivermectin issues....with teaching logic of what does work...


&ab_channel=DoctorMikeHansen

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
4. Hah hah
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:50 PM
Sep 2021

I would say I don't care, but if this means there will be less MAGATS in 2022, or will engage in another insurrection, then I think this is good news. In fact, they should just stay home and die, because they would not be in their predicament if they had listened to the doctors.

Polly Hennessey

(6,794 posts)
10. My sentiments exactly. I always thought rural Oklahoma
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:56 PM
Sep 2021

could stand a good culling. Never thought a horse dewormer would be the solution. 🥲

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
14. Since people take it we should legalize the human version
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:03 PM
Sep 2021

Ivermectin is extremely safe for almost everyone. To prevent poisonings we should let doctors prescribe it for covid. It probably does little good but not legalizing it is clearly causing poisonings.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
23. They don't know it doesn't work, they know it might work or it might not work
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:19 PM
Sep 2021

Ivermectin is not proven effective but we don’t have any large human trials on it. So we don’t know if it doesn’t work. The largest human trial, 1500 patients, half got ivermectin, showed a small but statistically insignificant benefit. It might do some good, it might not.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. The Hill finds this credible enough to quote, but I haven't found
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:06 PM
Sep 2021

separate reporting yet. Couldn't help noticing that no #s are given for this supposed crowd of ODers, not even estimates. Which is a shame, because the sooner the crazies dump this one and move on to the lime Jello cure the better. Also didn't find any report involving the alarming vision loss.

I did find a confirmed report of "at least two" hospitalized for ivermectin overdose in Mississippi, and a report of one in Australia. None sounded overly serious, not enough to scare even local crazies probably.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
20. Another source
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:11 PM
Sep 2021

"The situation is so dire that people with gunshot wounds have to wait their turn to get treatment, Dr. Jason McElyea, an ER physician affiliated with hospitals in Sallisaw, told KFOR, an NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City.

McElyea spoke to the channel this week about the dangers of overdosing on the version of ivermectin meant for use in livestock. He said the hospitals he worked at became overwhelmed after people started taking ivermectin, believing unverified claims that it's an effective COVID-19 treatment.

"The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated," McElyea said."

https://news.yahoo.com/oklahomas-ers-backed-people-overdosing-053822589.html

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. If it's real and not overblown it'll be confirmed and numbers given. Maybe
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:20 PM
Sep 2021

there's a bad batch being sold around there, or a local influencer is recommending poison doses.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
59. Sure, Shazzie, but those are poison control calls, NOT a flood of ODs.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 04:52 AM
Sep 2021

Yet another day has passed, and all reports quote that one doctor, Jason McElyea, who claimed floods of ODs from taking doses meant for horses were overwhelming rural hospitals. ERs were "clogged" with ODs.

So which hospitals and how many OD's? That basic information strangely wasn't given and still isn't. He said ODers had vision loss -- try googling that to (not) find followup on this scary news. OK's biggest newspaper has a bunch of articles about or mentioning ivermectin, but nothing on this.

Below is the followup on ivermectin from Oklahoma City's KFOR-TV, which broke the doctor's sensational account. It doesn't even discuss its current headline, and the caption on the picture mentions increase in poison control calls in Nevada.

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – Google: Oklahomans among most interested in ivermectin
As COVID-19 cases continue to climb across the country, some Americans are searching for alternative options to protect themselves from the virus. For months, the Food and Drug Administration has warned Americans against using ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.

Ivermectin and Use in Humans
Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms.

Ivermectin is often used to treat or prevent parasites in animals, like horses.

https://kfor.com/news/local/google-oklahomans-among-most-interested-in-ivermectin/

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
43. Local News source - Metro Cincinnati is having trouble too.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 04:47 PM
Sep 2021

3 miles out from my suburban location are mostly farms. The county I live in a mostly farms. Mostly Trumpers and "grab yer bootstraps" types. All 3 major Cincinnati hospitals have built facilities further north because the population is moving out. All of them are reporting a steady string of patients that tried these hair brained ideas - not just horse pills.

The OK News Link
https://kfor.com/news/local/patients-overdosing-on-ivermectin-backing-up-rural-oklahoma-hospitals-ambulances/

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. So other people who need medical attention
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:14 PM
Sep 2021

Someone who needs medical attention for, say, a heart problem or cancer or whatever has to wait while these selfish, ignorant knuckleheads fill up the available capacity.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
25. I especially like this paragraph
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:21 PM
Sep 2021
Horse de-wormer does not treat or prevent COVID. It does not treat viruses. These are people who refuse to take advice from doctors who are recommending the safe, tested, and approved coronavirus vaccine but are following the guidance of strangers on Facebook, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Rogan.

Noodleboy13

(422 posts)
26. Wow I love this country.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:22 PM
Sep 2021

Where else would people purposefully poison themselves out of sheer contrarianism. I feel like Colin Robertson at an all-you-can eat schadenfreude buffet.

peace,
Noodleboy

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
32. Given that the average horse weighs 1,200 lbs.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 03:49 PM
Sep 2021

... and the dosage for Ivermectin is set for that size/weight, I'd suppose that an average human (200 lbs.?) should be taking 1/6th the amount that is recommended for a horse.

Does that make any sense?

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DFW

(54,370 posts)
34. If Republicans in Oklahoma want to commit slow, painful suicide, let them
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 04:05 PM
Sep 2021

Do NOT permit them to then clog health care facilities because they don't like how it's proceeding. Hospitals should be for people who have afflictions and seek a cure, not for healthy people thinking up ways to get sick.

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
35. A full size dose for a "full size" horse
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 04:12 PM
Sep 2021

Treats 1400 pounds …

Smh

These idiots cannot understand math …

I worm my herd of 3 …

Pony … 450 pounds
Haflinger … 1200 pounds
Quarter/thoroughbred mare … 1000 pounds …

And I don’t use the full syringe of wormer on any of them …

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
47. Refer Them To Rogan
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 05:06 PM
Sep 2021

If they've taken too much, they should get further advice from Organ.
He is obviously an expert in these matters.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
50. My sentiments EXACTLY.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 05:25 PM
Sep 2021

Stack these horse whisperers in a storage facility somewhere, and save the emergency rooms, staff personnel and ventilators for covid-inflicted kids who can't be vaccinated under current guidelines. These assholes need to start PAYING for their stupid choices.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
55. NO.
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:25 PM
Sep 2021


I do not want and ER that turns away a shark bite victim because ... well you knew they are in the water... why didn't you wear a shark suit? or well you are the one who got drunk and stuck that thing that does not belong in that orifice into that orifice so go home and deal with it yourself. Tough cheese if you get all cut up inside and die. Or, well, you did not eat perfect all your life and exercise exactly perfect all your life so go home with your heart attack and deal with it yourself. We told you eating out can kill you and you did anyway. Go home and get what you deserve.

NO. Just NO.

I agree that the toll being taken on a medical care establishment by these idiots needs to be addressed, but I don't think refusal to treat is the answer. All this said, I totally understand the sentiment. Completely.

Laurelin

(525 posts)
45. Horse pills
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 04:55 PM
Sep 2021

I still can't wrap my mind around the concept. I've given horses paste, drenches, IM injections, IV injections and boluses. I've watched them get stuff pumped in via stomach tubes. I've never heard of a pill for a horse. I guess a bolus is close.

I know this isn't at all important but it puzzles me.

Edited for typo.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
49. Fuck that! You eat horse medicine in lieu of vaccine, you take your ass to the vet's office
Fri Sep 3, 2021, 05:21 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe they can put a chip in you so we can track your dumbasses...if you survive.

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